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I am seriously concerned about the next generation of kids, growing up in this world.
I feel that labels for everything is NOT what to do because it gives them excuses to be little gaks.
Parents are getting softer (Except my family as a whole) and not putting their foot down.

Its why I hate alot of people my age, the spoilt gaks. For my miniatures? I have to go out at 7 am EVERY DAY (Even weekends) and deliver papers for £30 a week so my dependent stepfather and my mother wh cares for him have an extra 30 pounds.

Its these people who say that what I do is a waste of money when to be honest it's cheaper than buying the new iPhone every year since I have no debts or contracts to go with that.

What are your thoughts Dakka?

I give you the doomsayers theme song;

before it comes up :

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/

 reds8n wrote:
before it comes up :

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehaving-children-in-ancient-times/

And this is why when doing research, you always back trace information to the original source

This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory


Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there

 KingCracker wrote:
This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory


Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there

Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.

When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory


Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there

Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.

When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.

Are you being serious, or is this a joke that does not work in writing?

well that may be his personal experience. Its been my experiene that kids with poor parenting turn out to be Criminals and such. I think you might be the exception to the rule, the proverbial cream rising to the top.

As long as we don't equate poor parenting with being economically poor.

One of my biggest peeves with kids (and especially their idiot parents) these days, is just how massively undisciplined & obnoxiously rude they typically are. For example, I still enjoy the time I get to go for a morning walk with my mum, and we'll sit and have a drink/chat. Then along comes a gaggle of 2-4 young kids and their parents, who let the little Cretans scream their heads off, run around everywhere, and generally becomes a headache inducing distraction there's simply no way to possibly ignore.
And if you try to give the little gakkers a glare to try and let them know, "stop acting like a damn savage and screaming at the top your lungs", the parents, who were happily ignoring their kids because they're too busy gossiping/plugged into their stupid cell phone, rip into you about what a horrible person your for stifling their child's 'exploration' of their surroundings!

When kids are allowed to spend their earliest years learning this kind of "it's everyone else's problem/fault," they inevitably then grow to lack any kind of empathy or respect for others around them, have no discipline, and eventually turn into the spoiled little gaks kids are these days.

Maybe I'm just too old fashioned, but when I was a wee little bobbin, I was taught that if I ever acted like a damn animal in public, my mum & dad would discipline me, and we wouldn't be staying out wherever we were. (ie: shopping, having some McD's, going to see a movie, etc...)

My daughter just started dating a...Californian. I blame bad parents for that. Rodney has promised to bite his face off if I will pick him up and hold him at face level, and maybe get him a tasty treat while I am at it.

"mammas...don't let your babies grow up and date Californians..."

When kids are allowed to spend their earliest years learning this kind of "it's everyone else's problem/fault," they inevitably then grow to lack any kind of empathy or respect for others around them, have no discipline, and eventually turn into the spoiled little gaks kids are these days.

To the coal mine before eight, or its too late.

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
This is dangerously close to get off my lawn territory


Though I do find myself really disliking the majority of the kids that come to pay with my children. Them or the parents seem to just bother me for very stupid reasons. There are still a few out there that are raised right and are good people. It's easy to get cynical but good people will always be out there

Problem is it tends to be the rich kids who suck.

When you're poor for 10 years with no reliable father figure in a deadend estate on the streets of London, you learn to behave.

This sounds like you are extrapolating your personal, anecdotal experience upon two populations of the whole.

As a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt, I'm allowed to point out your statistical flaws as "Complete Bull gak", or CBS for short.

I like how we've already got to "young people are terrible people," "rich people are terrible people," and "poor people are terrible people." Anyone want to blame a racial or religious minority and go for the prejudice hat trick?

Seriously though, this is not a new sentiment. Every generation feels like the one before it is too soft, too entitled, and lacks social graces compared to their own. There's probably a good psychological reason for this perception, since I doubt the human race has been stuck in an incremental cultural decline since the first generation of genetically distinct homo sapiens. ("These kids today are too soft I tell you. What with their fire and their fancy wheels. And have you seen those flint knives? Disgraceful. In our day, if you wanted to wear an animal skin, you had to chew it off! And you said 'thank you' to the tiger when you were done!")

Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.

 toasteroven wrote:
Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.

I know right. When I was a kid we wouldn't let a passing mastadon herd stop us from finishing our chores. Can you imagine what these weak willed ninnies would do if a herd of mastadon passed by? Would they even know it through all their Iphone noise?

 Ahtman wrote:
As long as we don't equate poor parenting with being economically poor.

gakky parenting knows no socioeconomic bounds, from my experience.

Just seems to manifest itself in different ways.


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Experiment 626 wrote:
One of my biggest peeves with kids (and especially their idiot parents) these days, is just how massively undisciplined & obnoxiously rude they typically are. For example, I still enjoy the time I get to go for a morning walk with my mum, and we'll sit and have a drink/chat. Then along comes a gaggle of 2-4 young kids and their parents, who let the little Cretans scream their heads off, run around everywhere, and generally becomes a headache inducing distraction there's simply no way to possibly ignore.

Parents letting their kids scream and run around outside?

For shame....

 Jimsolo wrote:
I like how we've already got to "young people are terrible people," "rich people are terrible people," and "poor people are terrible people." Anyone want to blame a racial or religious minority and go for the prejudice hat trick?

Seriously though, this is not a new sentiment. Every generation feels like the one before it is too soft, too entitled, and lacks social graces compared to their own. There's probably a good psychological reason for this perception, since I doubt the human race has been stuck in an incremental cultural decline since the first generation of genetically distinct homo sapiens. ("These kids today are too soft I tell you. What with their fire and their fancy wheels. And have you seen those flint knives? Disgraceful. In our day, if you wanted to wear an animal skin, you had to chew it off! And you said 'thank you' to the tiger when you were done!")

Exalted. Go back X years, and you will always find people solemnly stating that their generation was the pinnacle of human civilisation, and it was all downhill from here. No matter when the OP was born, I can 100% guarantee people were saying the exact same things about his / her generation.

Which isn't to say that children today don't have issues that their parents didn't, but they also have challenges and influences that their parents didn't, and I can't say I'd have come out better or worse if I'd grown up in today's world. Gender roles are much less ironclad (and often, more confusing), social media is an integral part of their world rather than a relatively new innovation, and pornography is much more readily available, to name only three things that have changed.

rowboatjellyfanxiii wrote:
I am seriously concerned about the next generation of kids, growing up in this world.
I feel that labels for everything is NOT what to do because it gives them excuses to be little gaks.
Parents are getting softer (Except my family as a whole) and not putting their foot down.

Its why I hate alot of people my age, the spoilt gaks. For my miniatures? I have to go out at 7 am EVERY DAY (Even weekends) and deliver papers for £30 a week so my dependent stepfather and my mother wh cares for him have an extra 30 pounds.

Its these people who say that what I do is a waste of money when to be honest it's cheaper than buying the new iPhone every year since I have no debts or contracts to go with that.

What are your thoughts Dakka?

My thoughts are you're aiming to potentially miss out on a lot fun years in your life. I'm guessing from the "my age", paper delivery and stepfather talk you're roughly about... high school age. There are a lot of potential good friends and great times to be had with those "spoilt gaks" but you'll not have any of either if you just sit wallowing around in smug righteous indignation.

You know what dude? Those folks all have their own lives and their own problems and maybe they just enjoy playing some games, or looking at the friends photos or whatever. Also I'm willing to be 9/10 chance the only reason they brought up you "wasting money" is because you went trash-talking their candy ninja or their fruit crush, or flappyville or whatever with some talk about how your hobbies require real skill or art or other crap.

The current generation is fine, the future generation is fine. It's mostly filled with good people who just want to get along in life and have some fun. De-clench your teeth a little bit, relax your butt and maybe just try to have a good time without looking down on anyone. Eh? Give it a try?

Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?

 Frazzled wrote:
Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?

These are totally different kinds of issues than the ones being brought up by OP. Seriously this is what your post is like:

OP: "Young people are stupid jerks with no priorities. They're spoiled and don't get punished by their parents enough. My 40k miniature are way more sensible than their stupid iPhones"
ME: "Young people aren't jerks, stop being so smug and superior. Seriously you're going to waste some really good years being all alone on your delusional high horse"
YOU: "How is any of that true? The economy is all fethed, and the terrorism is everywhere"

 Frazzled wrote:
Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?

Because all of that has happened before, people lamented and somehow, the human race soldiered on. Does this generation have a lot of problems to cope with, like every other one before that? Of course, and many of those problems deserve to be addressed and improved. Will they represent a terminal decline in human morality and civilisation, the same accusation that's been levelled at literally every other generation? Of course not.

There's also the effect of media saturation to consider, where every crisis and possible problem will have 24-hour coverage, and talking heads and screamer headlines warning us about how the Issue Du Jour is surely a ticking timebomb that will cause an apocalypse in a conveniently vague 5-15 years.

Of course, 20 years from now, most of those fears will have turned out to be unfounded, and that will contribute to the 2010's being seen as a good time, after which the 2020 generation began screwing everything up. It's like how when someone talks about how great the 50's or 60's were, they know that the fears of nuclear war turned out to be unfounded, and downplay them in their memories or accounts of the time.

 Chongara wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?

These are totally different kinds of issues than the ones being brought up by OP. Seriously this is what your post is like:

OP: "Young people are stupid jerks with no priorities. They're spoiled and don't get punished by their parents enough. My 40k miniature are way more sensible than their stupid iPhones"
ME: "Young people aren't jerks, stop being so smug and superior. Seriously you're going to waste some really good years being all alone on your delusional high horse"
YOU: "How is any of that true? The economy is all fethed, and the terrorism is everywhere"

You're right. I forgot to mention young people are jerks with no priorities who constantly try to get on my lawn. Except our neighbor who is about 4. "Hello excuse me! Yes I was playing ball and it went over the fence" Polite but respectfully assertive. Excellent lad.

The Baby Boomers were nothing but a bunch of druggie hippie commies.

Generation X was nothing but a bunch of lazy, aimless slackers.


Young people tend to grow up and find their way. Or don't. Because it's about individuals and not imaginary homogeneous "kids these days."

 Elemental wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Why do you assume the current generation is fine? The income levels of working people are through the floor. Home ownership rates for young people is at the lowest level in decades. As I type the stock future market is down 870 points. You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion. Why one earth would you assume the current generation is fine?

Because all of that has happened before, people lamented and somehow, the human race soldiered on. Does this generation have a lot of problems to cope with, like every other one before that? Of course, and many of those problems deserve to be addressed and improved. Will they represent a terminal decline in human morality and civilisation, the same accusation that's been levelled at literally every other generation? Of course not.

There's also the effect of media saturation to consider, where every crisis and possible problem will have 24-hour coverage, and talking heads and screamer headlines warning us about how the Issue Du Jour is surely a ticking timebomb that will cause an apocalypse in a conveniently vague 5-15 years.

Your cautious optimism and measured patience have no place on Dakka. Begone foul cheerful demon!

 toasteroven wrote:
Yeah kids these days are nonsense. I mean, my nephew is five years old, can you believe it! When I was his age, I was six. By the time he's six, he won't even be five anymore. Utter nonsense.

Literally laughed out loud in my cube at work when I read this

Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.

 Frazzled wrote:
Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.

What specific point in the past are we talking about here?

 Frazzled wrote:
You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion.

C'mon, the Republican primaries haven't been quite that bad.

 Elemental wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.

What specific point in the past are we talking about here?

Does it matter? The human mind is a flexible tool that adapts as appropriate to the environment it is in. An 8th century peasant farmer would likely be critical of any of us for being unable to manually raise crops, while saying we were preoccupied with bathing (EVERY DAY?!?). If "kids these days" are unable to focus on singular tasks and are paying attention to technology and media it's only because those are the relevant skills for getting along these days. If kids aren't focusing it's only evidence that kind of focusing just isn't as important a skill anymore. \

Perhaps it just means that technology has done for "focus" what is has done for manually tilling soil, making it a far less relevant skill.

Not that I'm saying "kids these days" can't focus I'm just saying if we concede that point it's hardly a sign of some kind of decline, only a change.

 Elemental wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Seriously, I will say this. Kids cannot focus as well as the past. This is not the kids, this is the distraction of technology.

What specific point in the past are we talking about here?

Most any point. The consumer level of technology has never been at this level. Studies are showing almost autistic levels of distraction for today's nefarious youth in some instances.


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 reds8n wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You have middle class and wealthy people being hoodwinked into a joining a murder cult using a religion.

C'mon, the Republican primaries haven't been quite that bad.

I see what you did there.

"because they're stupid!"
-Frazzled at three commenting on Nog and Flog who would shortly have an "accident" with a hyenadon.

"because they're stupid!"
-Trump on explaining his health care plan.