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Just pre-ordered mine - £80.75 from http://www.gamingfigures.com/ with free P&P.

Yeah... with that price no way I'm touching it just for a select few models. Gonna see how much the termines, the chaplain and the Contemptor each cost on ebay or something.

The kits are a shame really. A single Heavy Flamer for the Termy sprue? Two heavy weapons and no other options besides HB and Missile Launcher.

They could do so much more than that.

The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The kits are a shame really. A single Heavy Flamer for the Termy sprue? Two heavy weapons and no other options besides HB and Missile Launcher.

They could do so much more than that.

I was surprised when the first pics of the sprues emerged and they weren't monopose snap-fits.

The kit looks to include a heavy bolter, missile launcher, flamer, meltagun and combi-weapons. That's in line with the plastic MkVII tactical sprues (no plasmagun option, but added heavy bolter option), for a bundle that means they're cheaper than the regular tacticals.

Could they have done more? Maybe, but the sprue looks pretty jam-packed to me.

Related note - pre-ordered mine at a price of £75 on arrival from Wargames Emporium in Sheffield (UK).

Just pre-ordered mine at FLGS and had a chance to have a look at the game itself and the models. The models, especially the chaplain and termies are impressive.

Rules seem to be interesting, from what we were discussing it looks like a mix of bloodbowl/space hulk. Looked like fun, not sure on the mileage though.

Had a close look at the contemptor and it looks smaller than my FW contemptor. Could just be my eyes deceiving me, when I get it assembled ill put them side by side to truly check!

Just to point out, the tacticals do have a plasma gun. The boxed set has 3 of each special and heavy weapons (plasma gun, meltagun, flamer, heavy bolter, missile launcher.) If you buy two boxes, you'll have enough special weapons for three support squads and two heavy support squads.

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@Crystal Maze: There's definitely a plasmagun on the sprue, take a look at the assembled pics.

For someone who has seen the game:

How tied are you to the scenarios? Is there any army selection? Does it mater what wargear you use?

Are the scenarios more like space hulk, with fixed forces, or 40k eternal battles, where there is a lot of flex on what hits the table?

With all the options on the sprues, I wonder if there are fixed builds you need to actually play. ie does it matter if you go shooty or CC for the terminators? You can only build them one or the other (barring magnets).

nudibranch wrote:Just to point out, the tacticals do have a plasma gun. The boxed set has 3 of each special and heavy weapons (plasma gun, meltagun, flamer, heavy bolter, missile launcher.) If you buy two boxes, you'll have enough special weapons for three support squads and two heavy support squads.

Paradigm wrote:@Crystal Maze: There's definitely a plasmagun on the sprue, take a look at the assembled pics.

Spoke too soon; there is indeed a plasmagun as well. Even better


Has anybody had a chance to take a better look at the tiles? The space hulk tiles have proved incredibly useful for INQ28 gaming - I was wondering if these tiles might not provide a decent 'cave system' gaming surface for INQ28 too.
WHat kind of area do they cover?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.

I don't think we even know if any other weapons exist in the game. From what I saw, the units seem to have fixed card entries?

And if people are buying this stuff to play proper FW 30k, well then, that's what FW is theoretically for, right? Maybe for once GW isn't trying to murder its more successful child.

I'll also point out that 1) only having one of each special weapon is just a GW thing. It's annoying but it's consistent, and 2). GW probably don't want to cannibalise FW's sales too hard. You can buy the (pretty expensive) special/heavy weapons (and the corresponding squad in terms of the shoulder mounted weapons) from FW, though you'll need to do a bit of converting as the hands are modeled onto the bolters. Also, these are a cheaper option if you don't mind them being somewhat anachronistic: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Plasma-Guns http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Meltaguns

Or just use stuff from your bits box lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Or just use stuff from your bits box lol.

Considering 30k games often feature multiple units armed with 10 special weapons, you have to have a pretty extensive bitz box...

Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'

just be careful what you ask for,

The models look great but is it really a limited game like Space Hulk? So once it's sold out it's gone? Or will the minis be available separately too? I always wanted to rebuild my marine army with the FW models, but I'd rather use these new plastics... but I have so much on my plate right now i probably wouldn't be able to get to it for another 6 months or so

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Contemptor and the two characters are fine - they're starter box sprues - but the Termies and Marines are what will be retail kits, and they're like the kits of old - tons and tons of gaps, missing loads of options.

I don't think we even know if any other weapons exist in the game. From what I saw, the units seem to have fixed card entries?

And if people are buying this stuff to play proper FW 30k, well then, that's what FW is theoretically for, right? Maybe for once GW isn't trying to murder its more successful child.

That's pretty much my take on it. In fact the description of the game on the store page says you can arm the models however you want and paint them however you want, like it's not relevant, which is... well, interesting, at least.

From my POV it's a great way to get loads of bodies for much cheaper than you would from FW, and you do get a sprinkling of special options - but if you want enough to build 10-man support squads or whatever, or you want Legion bling, then you're still going to be looking at the Forge World upgrade kits. I'm happy with that. Surely they'd be mad to trade us down any more than they already are!

HBMC definitely has a point though - there are big gaps on the sprues, that they would normally fill with bling on modern plastic kits. I can only assume they're not doing that so as to not cannibalize the forge world sales too much, or maybe because there will be plastic upgrades to come or something... they did just do plastic 40k chapter upgrade sprues and they were awesome.

Got a box ordered! Wooo 30k here we go!

EDC

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'

just be careful what you ask for,

I'm pretty sure GW doesn't listen to us, or any of its customers.

They tell us what we want to buy, remember?

So if that happens, well, it was going to happen regardless!

Ordered from Darksphere, best store imo.

Definitely using these for Minoraurs, although may have to get another contemptor for another pose. How is the Minotaur one game wise? gak or worth it just for the look?

Silly question also but which IA has the contemptor rules for regular 40k games?

 Alpharius wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Continual complaints of 'not enough' heavy/special weapons to kit out squads as mono-builds always risks GW dropping a little ret-con into the next codex saying that such squads are never run as mono-builds and must have a mix if weapons for 'flexibility on the battlefield'

just be careful what you ask for,

I'm pretty sure GW doesn't listen to us, or any of its customers.

They tell us what we want to buy, remember?

So if that happens, well, it was going to happen regardless!

The emperor is always watching,

but only takes account of negative suggestions (you'd be grumpy too if you'd been locked in a glorified porta-potty for 10 millennia)

The more I look at the sprues, the more impressed I am. They're VERY full with bits, and while you might argue a bit with the exact breakdown of weapons (particularly, a lot of people would like more heavy options than ML and HB), they cover a lot of what's common between 30k and 40k, and it looks extremely easy to convert to use any of the available HH heavy or support weapons with these.

Very neat.

One of each special weapon makes me cry inside, but eh, I'm going to be using them as standard tacs anyway.

Only having a heavy flamer for the termies is a bit of a miss, though. If there is an iconic terminator weapon from that time period, it's the Reaper Autocannon.

Of course, it's not too hard to cut the tips of the flamer off and add gun barrels, instead.

The autocannon is a big drawback to me, the blastgun is ok, but the legions that have access to cyclones are the real winners, as well as the Salamanders and Fists who have access to shields.

Also lol at the people complaining about bits on the sprues, what were you expecting grav guns or something?

This set is awesome, have you looked at the tactical squad in 30k? They have no options.

The special weapons are going to be great for veteran tacticals and for starting support squads and heavy support squads.

To be honest I am surprised they are including as many options as they are, as I am sure the plan is to keep pushing the resin weapon packs.

I bought three sets because these things are only going to go up in price, and I love the possibilities this offers me as far as starting another legion, expanding my current army, and starting allied detachment.

This thing is a win across the board.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Only having a heavy flamer for the termies is a bit of a miss, though. If there is an iconic terminator weapon from that time period, it's the Reaper Autocannon.

Of course, it's not too hard to cut the tips of the flamer off and add gun barrels, instead.

I think they tried to make sure all of the weapon options would work for 30k and 40k alike.

There were, and still are, rumors of dual branded boxes for later release for use in both time periods.

Out of the whole set of sprues, the only thing I can see that couldn't be handily used in 40k is the Cataphractii grenade harness. The tacticals can be used as regular marines, Cataphractii as regular terminators, Contemptor as a regular dread, etc.

I was half expecting it to be sold out pretty quickly but it's still showing as available Looks like I might just get a copy of it after all!

Just ordered mine! It's been a long time since I've been excited about anything GW, but Heresy era has always been my favorite part of the 40k background. My Word Bearers will be expanding greatly and maybe I can do a loyalist Iron Warriors force, although that may wait to see if Mk II/III plastics ever happen.

Now to hurry up and finish the Malifaux stuff sitting on my workbench!

I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc

Daston wrote:
I might be missing something here. But don't tactical squads in 30k just have bolters with no heavy or special weapon option available to them? Hence the support squads etc

Yep, only the Sergeant gets options in a HH Tactical squad. However, in a Veteran Tactical Squad you have more options, and then there are the Support Squads that can equip all kinds of Special and Heavy weapons (the caveat being that I think they're all forced to have the same type within a squad).