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So I've been using this artefact on my Nurgle Lord for the past 2 days and after today it seems like in some ways this artefact seems wayyyyy too good for its relatively cheap point cost. For example in my game against khorne csm today my lord
Killed god knows how many khorne cultists
4 havocs and killed the last one with soul blaze
2 khorne bikes
Took 2 wounds off Kharn
And killed a couple of random csm.
Now while I could just of got really lucky woth it today I'd like other people's opinions is this artefact too good/cheap for what it costs?

Compared to other things in the game currently it's not "too good." It's a nice item but that's that.

Might catch a casual player offguard.

It litrally caught my opponent off guard it even shocked me and I was the one using it. Like damn I normally kit my lord out for cc but I think my burning brand lord has done more than my close combat Lords ever have


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It litrally caught my opponent off guard it even shocked me and I was the one using it. Like damn I normally kit my lord out for cc but I think my burning brand lord has done more than my close combat Lords ever have

35 points is not relatively cheap. Especially when the models that can take it end up being over 100 points before you take the brand

My Lords just over a hundred with it as the brand costs 30 points not 35 lol. I don't buy my lord a invulnerable as he shouldn't be getting in combat vs anything which has a good chance of killing him

Sound like you were just playing against someone who's bad then. Its not hard to kill a Chaos Lord with out an Invul. And it also not hard to avoid the Burning Brand when its on a Chaos Lord on foot.

He's in a rhino with 5 Plague Marines lol he's actually quite hard to deal with unless he's hit with grav/plasma/d

It may have worked out well for you, but no, it definitely isn't overpowered. Some might argue it's not even that great.

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
He's in a rhino with 5 Plague Marines lol he's actually quite hard to deal with unless he's hit with grav/plasma/d

Not really. The rhino can only move 6" if you want be able to fire the brand meaning you're really slow and avoidable or you move fast and aren't doing anything. Plus the rhino is paper and any decent anti-tank should destroy it easily. Once the rhino is destroyed they are on foot so again slow and avoidable

Also no its not hard to kill PMs or your T5 Lord. All you need are some weapons that are actually ap3 which every army has plenty ways of getting and most ranged ap3 weapons are S6+.


Like I said your opponent was bad. Prime example being he let his faster bike unit get caught by your slow as heck nurgle unit.

A rhino isn't impressive, anyone running AT that knows what's in that vehicle can pop it turn 2 at the latest.

And after that, well.. Most armies are equipped to be able to kill heavy infantry fairly well. Even something like guard could just throw a blob of FRFSRF for 100+ lasgun shots, and that's only for what.. 200 points?

His bikes were going after my predators lol while his other anti tank was aimed towards my land raider

It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Even something like guard could just throw a blob of FRFSRF for 100+ lasgun shots, and that's only for what.. 200 points?

I remember someone doing the math of laguns hiting t5 +3sv models with FnP and it was like 1 model dead per turn.

Makumba wrote:

Even something like guard could just throw a blob of FRFSRF for 100+ lasgun shots, and that's only for what.. 200 points?

I remember someone doing the math of laguns hiting t5 +3sv models with FnP and it was like 1 model dead per turn.

If you could get all 50 IG in rapid fire with FRFSRF then that'd do like 2.7 wounds

It is good but not too good.

It's actually bad. Str 4 ap3 torrent weapon for 30 pts.

A completely naked chaos lord would cost you 60+30 = 90 pts. 35 for the rhino and 130 for nakes plague marines. That's 265 pts of nakes stuff just to use your brand. And a helldrake costs 170. Do the math. The brand is a bad item.

Maybe good-ish on a sorc on bike or disc, but no more than that.

topaxygouroun i wrote:
It's actually bad. Str 4 ap3 torrent weapon for 30 pts.

A completely naked chaos lord would cost you 60+30 = 90 pts. 35 for the rhino and 130 for nakes plague marines. That's 265 pts of nakes stuff just to use your brand. And a helldrake costs 170. Do the math. The brand is a bad item.

Maybe good-ish on a sorc on bike or disc, but no more than that.

If you're bases the model on the BBoS then yes, it's costly and not as efficient. But if you've already bought a chaos lord. It's not that bad of a weapon for 30 points. It'll kill more folks than a PF would

The Str 4 kinds balances it out, but I have a regular opponent that hates my Heldrakes, so I told him I wouldn't bring them and brought a BB Raptor Lord along instead as a mini heldrake!

nareik wrote:
It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Put him on a bike instead of a disk.

I drop in a Terminator Lord with the Brand and it makes for a lot of fun. Heavy Flamer in the Terminator Squad with FNP from Slannesh, I've killed 150~pts of Death Company Marines with a single well placed gout of flame, but that's one success story in a bunch of failures. Add in a Heldrake and Huron Blackheart and there's just flames all over the place.

methebest wrote:

nareik wrote:
It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Put him on a bike instead of a disk.

If he absolutely needs a MoT Lord, there's no need for a bike compared to the disk.

I had a chaos themed army around the idea of AP3 flamers.

Lord with brand on a bike.
Lucius the Eternal.
3 noise champions in rhinos with doom sirens
two heldrakes.

It was a lot of fun. tank shock to bunch up models, then let the AP3 flamers fly. Or back in the day of lash, it was even more brutal.

methebest wrote:

nareik wrote:
It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Put him on a bike instead of a disk.

Why would I want a bike when I could have a jet bike that adds an attack as well as a toughness?

That's before even considering discs are cool! They're like bow-ties of Tzeentch!

Because the disc doesn't give you +1 toughness.

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Because the disc doesn't give you +1 toughness.

Yes it does. Its a Jetbike and Jetbikes have the Armored Steed rule

If only there was a way to put Abaddon on a disc!

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Because the disc doesn't give you +1 toughness.

Jet bike gives you +1 toughness.

nareik wrote:

methebest wrote:

nareik wrote:
It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Put him on a bike instead of a disk.

Why would I want a bike when I could have a jet bike that adds an attack as well as a toughness?

That's before even considering discs are cool! They're like bow-ties of Tzeentch!

Because a bike has its own weapon that can be swapped. You can put the burning brand on the bike replacing the combi-bolter instead of on your lord and still keep your claw-fist, as was the original argument.

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
His bikes were going after my predators lol while his other anti tank was aimed towards my land raider

That just further proves that your opponent was making bad plays.
Why would you send a unit after another unit that has the perfect weaponry to deal with your unit?

Would you send a bunch of footslogging terminators to deal with Centurion squad with Gravcannons? No because that would be utterly stupid.
Would you send a bunch of melee bikes to deal with a unit that has an AP3 flamer (and thus ignores cover)? No because that would be utterly stupid, and yet your opponent did it.

nareik wrote:

methebest wrote:

nareik wrote:
It can be fun! I take it on a Tzeentch Lord with a disk and power fist. The saddest thing for me is the brand replaces an existing weapon so you can't have a brand, power fist and lightning claw (unless you consider shady shenanigans like grenades being eligible for being swapped instead of the ccw/bpistol).

Put him on a bike instead of a disk.

Why would I want a bike when I could have a jet bike that adds an attack as well as a toughness?

That's before even considering discs are cool! They're like bow-ties of Tzeentch!

Because the bike gives you a twin linked bolter you can swap for the burning brand?