How to run a 'fun' eldar list?

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**TheNewBlood**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
TheNewBlood, Eldar are a way for people who don't want to adapt to complain about the game. the strongest eldar units that people screetch op can be countered and killed by any marine army with a single gravpod attack, and the units get pricey fast.

That doesn't change the fact that Scatbikers and most Wraith units are massively undercosted for what they can do on the tabletop. Most armies don't have effective counters to these specific units, and not everyone wants to ally in Grav Centurions just to play the game. However, most armies have the tools to counter every other unit in the book besides the ones I listed.

**Martel732**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
TheNewBlood, Eldar are a way for people who don't want to adapt to complain about the game. the strongest eldar units that people screetch op can be countered and killed by any marine army with a single gravpod attack, and the units get pricey fast.

It's not that simple. You can set up to deny pod lists maximum effectiveness.

And a single grav pod won't kill a WK, either. Maybe a skyhammer pod.

**Erik_Morkai**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
Hey guys, i'm wondering what you guys would like to play against in the eldar codex, I feel bikes are not much fun, but I still hear complaints about everything in the army, is there a way to satisfy the general playerbase with a list, or are eldar doomed from the start when it comes to fun games?

Try something unusual.

A list with Banshees with jain Zar as the main point.

A list of Striking Scorpions?

A list of Dire Avengers

Try your hand at Night Spinners or Shadow Specters?

Play around with Freakshow lists. Freakshow can be fun, not OP but very unforgiving. It is good practice.

A Seer council on foot with Eldrad?

Nearly all units are good but so expensive you can never play them all. Make various themes and see what happens.

**cosmicsoybean**

Erik_Morkai wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
Hey guys, i'm wondering what you guys would like to play against in the eldar codex, I feel bikes are not much fun, but I still hear complaints about everything in the army, is there a way to satisfy the general playerbase with a list, or are eldar doomed from the start when it comes to fun games?

Try something unusual.

A list with Banshees with jain Zar as the main point.

A list of Striking Scorpions?

A list of Dire Avengers

Try your hand at Night Spinners or Shadow Specters?

Play around with Freakshow lists. Freakshow can be fun, not OP but very unforgiving. It is good practice.

A Seer council on foot with Eldrad?

Nearly all units are good but so expensive you can never play them all. Make various themes and see what happens.

Woah, those shadow specters look amazing! I might have to get some, I prefer rule of cool than rules, sadly FW is really expensive and I just bought a titan + Lynx

**hiveof_chimera**

It doesn't seem to matter

at the LGS today I was refused a game with my aspect elder, despite me loving the elder since I got into 40k especially the PL's. FYI my list was:

Spoiler:

It just doesn't seem fair that people expect me to play another army, I took a break from elder because of the rage directed at it and I still can't even get a game, despite playing a fluffy fun list.

**TheNewBlood**

hiveof_chimera wrote:
It doesn't seem to matter at the LGS today I was refused a game with my aspect elder, despite me loving the elder since I got into 40k especially the PL's. FYI my list was:

Spoiler:

Karandras/ Maugan Ra (still can't decide)
Avatar
Hunter exarch
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
Falcon with BL, ghostwalk (FD's)

Aspect host 1 (WS)
3 Dragon knights, exarch with laser lance
6 banshees, exarch with executioner
6 scorpions, exarch with Claw

Aspect host 2 (BS)
5 warp spiders, vanilla exarch
6 swooping hawks, vanilla exarch
5 firedragons, vanilla exarch

It just doesn't seem fair that people expect me to play another army, I took a break from elder because of the rage directed at it and I still can't even get a game, despite playing a fluffy fun list.

I agree that your list looks quite fun and lore-friendly. What were the circumstances under which you were refused the game? Was the opponent new to the game? Were they bringing a weak faction/army build? Did they just not have time to play against you?

Seriously, that list is hardly OP. I know plenty of non-Eldar players that would play against that in a heartbeat. If your opponent seriously refused a game based only on your bringing Eldar, that's a serious TFG move there.

**Ghazkuul**

Ravenous D wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
Hey guys, i'm wondering what you guys would like to play against in the eldar codex, I feel bikes are not much fun, but I still hear complaints about everything in the army, is there a way to satisfy the general playerbase with a list, or are eldar doomed from the start when it comes to fun games?

You're pretty much doomed unless you hamstring yourself and purposefully lose the game. Or better yet, stop playing against cry babies that refuse to adapt their tactics. You could take a 60 ranger army and win and your opponent will boo boo stink face all day muttering about "f'n eldar" so you might as well just crank it to 11 and have fun curb stomping and weed out your player base. No sense watering yourself down to deal with lesser generals, not to mention their terrible opinions which might as well be how to guides on being a useless goob.

And if case anyone wants to know, a goob is a perpetual noob, they don't try to better themselves in any way and often complain as a defense mechanism to alleviate themselves from any effort.

Hey DMan whats up?

**Ravenous D**

Ghazkuul wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
Hey guys, i'm wondering what you guys would like to play against in the eldar codex, I feel bikes are not much fun, but I still hear complaints about everything in the army, is there a way to satisfy the general playerbase with a list, or are eldar doomed from the start when it comes to fun games?

You're pretty much doomed unless you hamstring yourself and purposefully lose the game. Or better yet, stop playing against cry babies that refuse to adapt their tactics. You could take a 60 ranger army and win and your opponent will boo boo stink face all day muttering about "f'n eldar" so you might as well just crank it to 11 and have fun curb stomping and weed out your player base. No sense watering yourself down to deal with lesser generals, not to mention their terrible opinions which might as well be how to guides on being a useless goob.

And if case anyone wants to know, a goob is a perpetual noob, they don't try to better themselves in any way and often complain as a defense mechanism to alleviate themselves from any effort.

Hey DMan whats up?

Ha, not quite, I slap around his jetbike eldar consistently though.

**cosmicsoybean**

TheNewBlood wrote:
hiveof_chimera wrote:
It doesn't seem to matter at the LGS today I was refused a game with my aspect elder, despite me loving the elder since I got into 40k especially the PL's. FYI my list was:

Spoiler:

Karandras/ Maugan Ra (still can't decide)
Avatar
Hunter exarch
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
Falcon with BL, ghostwalk (FD's)

Aspect host 1 (WS)
3 Dragon knights, exarch with laser lance
6 banshees, exarch with executioner
6 scorpions, exarch with Claw

Aspect host 2 (BS)
5 warp spiders, vanilla exarch
6 swooping hawks, vanilla exarch
5 firedragons, vanilla exarch

It just doesn't seem fair that people expect me to play another army, I took a break from elder because of the rage directed at it and I still can't even get a game, despite playing a fluffy fun list.

I agree that your list looks quite fun and lore-friendly. What were the circumstances under which you were refused the game? Was the opponent new to the game? Were they bringing a weak faction/army build? Did they just not have time to play against you?

Seriously, that list is hardly OP. I know plenty of non-Eldar players that would play against that in a heartbeat. If your opponent seriously refused a game based only on your bringing Eldar, that's a serious TFG move there.

To be honest, that's the feeling for more of dakka, if its eldar or necrons, feth off. It's a shame, the lore is amazing, and they actually seem fun unlike the good ol posterboys.

**TheNewBlood**

Ravenous D wrote:
Ghazkuul wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
Hey guys, i'm wondering what you guys would like to play against in the eldar codex, I feel bikes are not much fun, but I still hear complaints about everything in the army, is there a way to satisfy the general playerbase with a list, or are eldar doomed from the start when it comes to fun games?

You're pretty much doomed unless you hamstring yourself and purposefully lose the game. Or better yet, stop playing against cry babies that refuse to adapt their tactics. You could take a 60 ranger army and win and your opponent will boo boo stink face all day muttering about "f'n eldar" so you might as well just crank it to 11 and have fun curb stomping and weed out your player base. No sense watering yourself down to deal with lesser generals, not to mention their terrible opinions which might as well be how to guides on being a useless goob.

And if case anyone wants to know, a goob is a perpetual noob, they don't try to better themselves in any way and often complain as a defense mechanism to alleviate themselves from any effort.

Hey DMan whats up?

Ha, not quite, I slap around his jetbike eldar consistently though.

Ravenous D can't be Dman. We've already established that Dman137 is secretly Morgoth, whoever Morgoth is. Seriously, what's the deal with Morgoth?

On a side note, I can't believe I missed today's Dman thread. Now I can't link back to it and relive all the memories!

**kburn**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
kburn wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:

You're bad at jokes

I wish that was a joke. Even with the "joke" eldar restrictions I posted can easily steamroll tyranids, and would be extremely competitive against most other lists.

Maybe try playing a non-easy mode army for a change, to see what difficulties they face?

2/10 troll, made me reply.

If you think an eldar army... ANY army.....can function well with two meh troops, 1 transport and 1 main squad, you're fething insane. On a side note, if that list you posted could 'steamroll' nids, then your nid player REALLY needs to learn to play their army, I play nids, orks and IG, considered some of the weakest armies in the game, and don't have issues with them.

and you need to learn to play with guardians and rangers. Two can play at this game of "git gud"

either way, have fun with your games (or the lack of them)

**cosmicsoybean**

I get as many games as I want lol, my LGS know how to adapt and play the game, unlike you lol. Also, I do run a lot of guardians.

**hiveof_chimera**

TheNewBlood wrote:
hiveof_chimera wrote:
It doesn't seem to matter at the LGS today I was refused a game with my aspect elder, despite me loving the elder since I got into 40k especially the PL's. FYI my list was:

Spoiler:

Karandras/ Maugan Ra (still can't decide)
Avatar
Hunter exarch
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
DA squad in WS with EML and ghostwalk
Falcon with BL, ghostwalk (FD's)

Aspect host 1 (WS)
3 Dragon knights, exarch with laser lance
6 banshees, exarch with executioner
6 scorpions, exarch with Claw

Aspect host 2 (BS)
5 warp spiders, vanilla exarch
6 swooping hawks, vanilla exarch
5 firedragons, vanilla exarch

It just doesn't seem fair that people expect me to play another army, I took a break from elder because of the rage directed at it and I still can't even get a game, despite playing a fluffy fun list.

I agree that your list looks quite fun and lore-friendly. What were the circumstances under which you were refused the game? Was the opponent new to the game? Were they bringing a weak faction/army build? Did they just not have time to play against you?

Seriously, that list is hardly OP. I know plenty of non-Eldar players that would play against that in a heartbeat. If your opponent seriously refused a game based only on your bringing Eldar, that's a serious TFG move there.

He was playing one of those new armies, the the half-track gun platform army, and he had an allied knight. I knew that it wasn't due to under-powered because he was stomping some ultramarines prior. It was just because he was "boycotting elder until GW fix their mistake" which would be cool and all if GW had players to lose and there wasn't any other games for me to change to.

**Ghazkuul**

I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

**TheNewBlood**

cosmicsoybean wrote:I get as many games as I want lol, my LGS know how to adapt and play the game, unlike you lol. Also, I do run a lot of guardians.

Everybody seems to underestimate Guardians. It's why I like running the Guardian Battlehost. They're cheap enough to be efficient for their points, fast enough to get places on the table, and powerful enough to kill enemy units that get too close. The heavy weapon platform is just icing on the cake.

Ghazkuul wrote:I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

Tell you what: we'll compromise. I can use my 7th edition Eldar codex, won't bring Scatbikers/D-weapons/Wraithknights, and you can use the last FAQ for the 4th edition Ork codex (I hear it was much better), whatever Ork fandex you want, or just go unbound. How's that?

**cosmicsoybean**

TheNewBlood wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:I get as many games as I want lol, my LGS know how to adapt and play the game, unlike you lol. Also, I do run a lot of guardians.

Everybody seems to underestimate Guardians. It's why I like running the Guardian Battlehost. They're cheap enough to be efficient for their points, fast enough to get places on the table, and powerful enough to kill enemy units that get too close. The heavy weapon platform is just icing on the cake.

Ghazkuul wrote:I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

Tell you what: we'll compromise. I can use my 7th edition Eldar codex, won't bring Scatbikers/D-weapons/Wraithknights, and you can use the last FAQ for the 4th edition Ork codex (I hear it was much better), whatever Ork fandex you want, or just go unbound. How's that?

Yeah, I unfortunatly got all my guardians second hand (im making an all-metal army, so bought most lots online) so I dont have the weapons platforms unfortunately.

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Ghazkuul wrote:
I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

If you cannot beat a list that doesn't have any/much top-tier units, it may be time for you to retire.

**kburn**

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**hiveof_chimera**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
TheNewBlood wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:I get as many games as I want lol, my LGS know how to adapt and play the game, unlike you lol. Also, I do run a lot of guardians.

Everybody seems to underestimate Guardians. It's why I like running the Guardian Battlehost. They're cheap enough to be efficient for their points, fast enough to get places on the table, and powerful enough to kill enemy units that get too close. The heavy weapon platform is just icing on the cake.

Ghazkuul wrote:I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

Tell you what: we'll compromise. I can use my 7th edition Eldar codex, won't bring Scatbikers/D-weapons/Wraithknights, and you can use the last FAQ for the 4th edition Ork codex (I hear it was much better), whatever Ork fandex you want, or just go unbound. How's that?

Yeah, I unfortunatly got all my guardians second hand (im making an all-metal army, so bought most lots online) so I dont have the weapons platforms unfortunately.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Ghazkuul wrote:
I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

If you cannot beat a list that doesn't have any/much top-tier units, it may be time for you to retire.

The comment about retiring is completely unnecessary, and is the reason I can't get games. Don't do it.

**cosmicsoybean**

hiveof_chimera wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
TheNewBlood wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:I get as many games as I want lol, my LGS know how to adapt and play the game, unlike you lol. Also, I do run a lot of guardians.

Everybody seems to underestimate Guardians. It's why I like running the Guardian Battlehost. They're cheap enough to be efficient for their points, fast enough to get places on the table, and powerful enough to kill enemy units that get too close. The heavy weapon platform is just icing on the cake.

Ghazkuul wrote:I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

Tell you what: we'll compromise. I can use my 7th edition Eldar codex, won't bring Scatbikers/D-weapons/Wraithknights, and you can use the last FAQ for the 4th edition Ork codex (I hear it was much better), whatever Ork fandex you want, or just go unbound. How's that?

Yeah, I unfortunatly got all my guardians second hand (im making an all-metal army, so bought most lots online) so I dont have the weapons platforms unfortunately.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Ghazkuul wrote:
I used to be on the side of just asking Eldar players to tone their lists WAY down, but after trying to play even the toned down lists I started asking Eldar players to pull out their older codex, even if they wanted to spam Serpeants it was better then the current BS they get. At this point unless the player is a good person I just tell them "good job you win" and watch them wait for a game the whole day.

If you cannot beat a list that doesn't have any/much top-tier units, it may be time for you to retire.

The comment about retiring is completely unnecessary, and is the reason I can't get games. Don't do it.

Yeah, it was a bit too harsh, however I really don't see how he can't manage to win vs toned down eldar, my orks and nids don't have any problems and my new IG army lost by a single VP. Thinking an entire army (thats not running cheese, or even any of its best units) is unwinnable is an rather ignorant comment.

**SagesStone**

cosmicsoybean wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
I still try to play full wraith Iyanden. Sure they're "powerful", but I keep them on foot which with them being slow allows them to be out maneuvered pretty easily. I actually like wraithlords a lot so try to fit them in a bunch when I can and definitely never go over one WK despite having two models; that's more for big apoc games.

I love wraiths, the lore behind them is just so cool to me, one of the reasons why I got the titan! Even footslogging people like the ones here that cry that everything is somehow undercosted and op give them the stigma that wraith are unbeatable, when they die pretty damn easy and cost quite a lot!

This is the same reasoning why I started them in the first place, at $22 per model with the metal it was never going to happen but once they went plastic I think I'm up to about 25 normal, 5 metal, 2 wk, 3 wraithlords, a wraithseer. I can't use them all in normal games sadly but I like the look.

**kburn**

cosmicsoybean wrote:

Yeah, it was a bit too harsh, however I really don't see how he can't manage to win vs toned down eldar, my orks and nids don't have any problems and my new IG army lost by a single VP. Thinking an entire army (thats not running cheese, or even any of its best units) is unwinnable is an rather ignorant comment.

except that your WLR is a lie, because apparently, the players in your LGS "has no problem" dealing with your eldar.

protip: keep your lies consistent

**cosmicsoybean**

n0t_u wrote:
cosmicsoybean wrote:
n0t_u wrote:
I still try to play full wraith Iyanden. Sure they're "powerful", but I keep them on foot which with them being slow allows them to be out maneuvered pretty easily. I actually like wraithlords a lot so try to fit them in a bunch when I can and definitely never go over one WK despite having two models; that's more for big apoc games.

I love wraiths, the lore behind them is just so cool to me, one of the reasons why I got the titan! Even footslogging people like the ones here that cry that everything is somehow undercosted and op give them the stigma that wraith are unbeatable, when they die pretty damn easy and cost quite a lot!

This is the same reasoning why I started them in the first place, at $22 per model with the metal it was never going to happen but once they went plastic I think I'm up to about 25 normal, 5 metal, 2 wk, 3 wraithlords, a wraithseer. I can't use them all in normal games sadly but I like the look.

Yeah, I got mine from a great auction on ebay, scored my 10 guard for 60$, i'm waiting for my rev. titan, after that Ill be snagging a couple more knights, lords and a LOT more of the metal guard if I can find em, along with more spirit seers. The Iyanden scheme is pretty easy to paint luckly!