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I know GW and by extension Fantasy flight, like to use the imperiums view point to present the 40k universe, but I think it would be fun to play an RPG where you weren't part of the imperium and instead a member of a xenos race. I think the two most likely candidates would be tau or eldar. What do you guys think? What would you like like to see featured if FF did one?

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Don't think it has enough interest in the market to justify being a stand-alone game. As a supplement to Rogue Trader? Sure, maybe, possibly.

Problem is, both of those races are basically humans-in-funny-hats. You could, using the rules already provided in the game, make characters of either of these races, and play.

We're provided enough background information to, say, create a cadre of Fire Warriors and then play Only War. Eldar Corsairs are already featured (as antagonists) in Rogue Trader. You can already play a human RT as a pirate, put pointy ears on him/her and now they're Eldar.

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I wish FFG would do this because for me a lot of the fun in playing a PC comes down to developing a completely different perspective from my own -- so playing an alien sounds very appealing to me. I would especially love to see a Tau book because they are pretty middle-of-the-road in terms of physical and mental ability and their caste system would fit pretty naturally with RPG character concepts. As a second choice, I'd pick Orks because I could imagine the mayhem being a lot of fun even if there never was much character development.

   
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There are rules in RT for playing Freebootas, iirc. If not, Orks themselves are pretty well covered in the Antagonist section, and so creating an Ork Freeboota shouldn't be terribly difficult.

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 Psienesis wrote:

Problem is, both of those races are basically humans-in-funny-hats. .
I respectfully disagree, yes, both tau and eldar have human-like characteristics and cultures, but i believe both races have completely different perspectives on the universe, and its denizens that a game based on either would be rather interesting, and to say they are basically pointy eared humans is an oversimplification. all rpgs boil down to to things, theme and mechanics. you could convert tau characters or eldar characters using preexisting content, but then what is the point of black crusade? when you could just play deathwatch with traitor legion characters?

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This ties back to my earlier point in that I don't believe the market demand is there.

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I actually think there is a market. Just like there is a market to play xenos armies in the tabletop

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I think Eldar based RPG would be very attractive:

-Eldar role-based society is extremely easy to convert to class-based RPG
-Eldar can inspire loads of gorgeous artwork and graphics - something which is FFG forte.
-no problems at thinking adventure hooks - Eldar face multitude of threats.
-Roleplaying Eldar could be potentially both challenging and fun. Interacting with barbaric Mon-keigh could be a hoot.
-it would feel new and fresh compared to Imperial 40k RPG line which, lets face it, has worn out its welcome by now.
-potential for expansions and add-ons is almost as vast as with Imperium-based titles.

I surely would be interested, even if I am presently quite burned out to FFG.

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I'd definitely buy pretty much any xenos-based 40k RPG. And Eldar or Tau one could be the prettiest, art-wise. I think playing Eldar would be the toughest in terms of roleplaying. Tau would be easiest. And RPing and Ork would be more gag-based than your typical campaign.

   
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Well there already are rules for playing as a Tau character, and they cover a whole host of options (all the suits!).

They should add Eldar Corsar/Ranger/Path-Finder to RT though.

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Runnin up on ya.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well there already are rules for playing as a Tau character, and they cover a whole host of options (all the suits!).

They should add Eldar Corsar/Ranger/Path-Finder to RT though.


Well, get on it then...chop, chop.....seriously, what are you waiting for? Get to writing already.

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It couldn't hurt I guess, but I can't help but feel it would just be another skin to me. The way the FFG games tend to be written it'd feel too much like another long list of gun stats, powers and broad-strokes campaign ideas and cultural notes. Which is fine really but wouldn't give me what I would want out of a "be an alien" game, in any universe. The further an RPG gets from my own experiences the more generalized and lightweight I like my mechanics, and the more specific, granular and concrete I like my fluff.

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Is why I think it would work best as a supplement to RT or BC or something, rather than a stand-alone line.

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I doubt there will be any more supplements for those games.

   
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Yeah, RT and BC are both pretty old at this point.

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Old?

You whippersnappers, I've got dice older than the lot of yas.

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Rulesets age faster than dice.

   
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 Psienesis wrote:
Old?

You whippersnappers, I've got dice older than the lot of yas.
I have a bone dice that's older than your mother. Regardless of how good you think those books still are, they're unlikely to get many more supplements, and certainly not major ones.

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It's less how good they are and more the fact that, since they were published within the last 20 years, I don't consider them "old games".

Cyberpunk: 2020? That's old.
Rifts/GURPS? That's old.
Werewolf: The Apocalypse 1E? That's old.
Car Wars? That gak's ancient.

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Which doesn't necessarily matter to the publisher; if they think it's old, it won't be supported much.

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I don't particularly care what FFG thinks of their product line, personally. If they want to do a Xenos Adventures game? More power to 'em. I probably wouldn't play it myself, not in a 40k setting, but if they think it has the market draw? Well, then they can go on with their bad selves.

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 Psienesis wrote:
This ties back to my earlier point in that I don't believe the market demand is there.


Wow, you cant be more wrong.

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Dont they have basic rules for Tau, Kroot, Orks, and a Eldar mixed over all the FFG and rpg line? I know my old DM wished he could have had more Eldar to have a deeper story for a deathwatch campaign.
   
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Rogue Trader has rules for:

Ork Freeboota (w/alternate ranks for Mekboy and Kommando)
Ork Weirdboy
Kroot (w/alternate rank for Shaper)
Kabalite Warrior (w/alternate ranks for Skyterror, Fleshcrafter Disciple and Incubus Initiate)
Wych (w/alternate ranks for Skyterror, Fleshcrafter Disciple and Incubus Initiate)
Tau Fire Warrior (w/alternate ranks for Pathfinder, Drone Handler and Battlesuit Pilot)

No Eldar Exodites/Corsairs/Pathfinders, which is disappointing.

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 GraywarTS wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
This ties back to my earlier point in that I don't believe the market demand is there.


Wow, you cant be more wrong.


You have market research documents available?

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