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Nothing new for the Forgefathers yet, they are probably next to get their tank after the Enforcer bomber upgrades.

The Brokkrs are still restic, they turned out well in restic so they probably aren't a high priority for HIPS.

 Alpharius wrote:
Is there anything new in the Forgefathers bundle?

And are the Brokkrs still restic, or is everything in this KS HIPs?

There's nothing new anywhere. You get to pledge for old stuff and hope you can swap it for new stuff later if enough people pledge for old stuff to fund new stuff.

Well you actually get a free flyer at the moment.
Thats quite a big new model, isnt it?

And of course the project is for the rulebooks.. which you'll get too.

I'm only interested in Forgefathers, so a new Enforcer Flyer isn't all that attractive to me.

I thought this was an "All HIPs KS", but that might have just been wishful thinking on my part!

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm only interested in Forgefathers, so a new Enforcer Flyer isn't all that attractive to me.

I thought this was an "All HIPs KS", but that might have just been wishful thinking on my part!

All the new stuff will be HIPS/metal, I think, like in KoW2.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
There's nothing new anywhere.

...

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm only interested in Forgefathers, so a new Enforcer Flyer isn't all that attractive to me.

I thought this was an "All HIPs KS", but that might have just been wishful thinking on my part!

The wording is free choice of hard plastic vehicle.

So you will probably get the choice of the tank when its unlocked.

Are the plastic steel warriors available at retail? Am having problems finding them if they are.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Are the plastic steel warriors available at retail? Am having problems finding them if they are.

Not until next year.

Not yet they are part of Deadzone: Infestation which has a delivery date of January 2016 so add 2 or 3 months for retail.

Must have had them confused with the DZ1 more Terminator like Forge Father's. Am very interested to see how the Steel Warriors sprues turn out but sadly we will probably not see that in time to have an influence on my pledge decision.

Love that plastic counter set! I'd really like to buy some as add-ons, just posted in the comments asking if that might be an option at some point (assuming reasonably priced as an add-on)

Isn't 'Add-on Wednesday' a thing usually?

 Riquende wrote:
Isn't 'Add-on Wednesday' a thing usually?

Yes.

I'm late to the party, but just pledged.

The next SG is metal upgrade bits for plastic minis... yea.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The next SG is metal upgrade bits for plastic minis... yea.

Well, its five Veer-myn models with some metal options to add variety. So its not JUST upgrade bits. I get that you're SUPER negative about this whole thing, but lets at least be honest about it.

Came late to this one - actually forgot it was happening today.

As has been said, pretty boring line-up so far for regular Mantic KS followers. (But for people new to Mantic Sci-Fi, this is one of the best debut packages I've seen on Kickstarter for a Sci-Fi starter set.) But in terms of what's coming soon, I'm quite excited. Tthe hard plastic plague and their dogs that we all know are in the wings (and can scrutinize thanks to DaveC) are looking really, really good. A little stiff and stodgy here and there, but mostly, really good. Most of the old 3rd Gens actually look great if you're willing to tinker with them and mix and match other parts, but that is a chore, and a time-intensive one if you want to be precious about your conversions like I do. But those restic Plague will add some nice variety to a squad of these HP guys. That's the thing I love about Mantic's slogging through restic production before getting to HP - if you're willing to put in the extra work on the PVC stuff, you get so much more model variety than you ever would otherwise. And these new HP Plague guys will, in turn, be excellent conversion fodder for blending with chaos or tyranid bits. Even with the PVC Dreadball Plague, although that will take a bit more work to make it stay together. Plague conversions - and by extension, the Plague themselves - are about to become so much fun.

I can see the hard plastic Plague becoming go-to model kits for 40K players interested in mutated chaos cultists or Genestealer cult conversions, too. If only Mantic could be convinced to do a Plague mutant mutation sprue in hard plastic - I really think that would add a lot and be popular for conversions across the sci-fi miniature hobby spectrum.

After the Plague, my bet is we'll be seeing the Asterian drone army + vehicle, which I'll want even more.

All told, right now this isn't worth my $120 dollars, but by the end, I will struggle to keep my pledge below $300. I'll leave $500 and up for you lunatics. What would it take to get me to change my mind on that? They'd have to do something really extremely unlikely to get me into those lofty pledging heights, like a force of hard plastic Sphyr, Rebs, or Nameless, maybe.

How do you guys do it, anyway? I have plenty of Mantic models in my collection and more coming to me with Deadzone 2, and the hard fact is that I'll either be dead or too feeble to paint them before I get that lot all done. And I'm thinking seriously about buying $300 more anyway. I remember Scarlet Squig talking about potentially dropping $1,000 or so on this KS in the past, not to pick on him. Do we all buy more than we can ever use? Does that even matter? Or is over consumption just part of the way we all enjoy this hobby? I watch myself doing this again and again and I think I'm insane. But heaven help me, I can't stop! Where, where will it all end?!?

(With me in the grave, willing a bunch of unpainted, unassembled plastic toys to my kids, charity, or hey, maybe even some of you guys if you're still around, that's where.)

I won't be buying any 3 vehicles of the same type, though. One of each will be plenty for me.

I will try to keep the front updated as much as possible.. Sadly no Corporation means no backing for me yet.

At this rate the opening day of Deadzone 1, some $179,000 odd, is under threat.

115$ for whatever is in the boxset is pretty good considering that's the cost of a standard bearer + horn blower from GW Age of Sigmar :p

Even if they're old models..

 Kirasu wrote:
115$ for whatever is in the boxset is pretty good considering that's the cost of a standard bearer + horn blower from GW Age of Sigmar :p

Even if they're old models..

and by old models you mean models that haven't actually been released

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
115$ for whatever is in the boxset is pretty good considering that's the cost of a standard bearer + horn blower from GW Age of Sigmar :p

Even if they're old models..

and by old models you mean models that haven't actually been released

"There's nothing new!"

I'm in at Advanced for now. Some crazy stuff better happen while this is live though because right now there's very little being shown that I want.

 MLaw wrote:
I'm in at Advanced for now. Some crazy stuff better happen while this is live though because right now there's very little being shown that I want.

I will say adding the free vehicle to the Advanced brought it closer in line with just grabbing a battlegroup. Basically now the printed rulebooks and misc. stuff only cost $10-$20 more depending on your pledge level which isn't unreasonable.

Though I'm in the same spot and currently not to likely to say in. But it's day 1. I'll make my decision on day 19 or so

I'm pretty sure they will lock in my advanced warfare pledge when they add a plague army set to the list, really looking forward to plastic 3rd gens.

Is there an actual difference between Warpath miniatures vs Deadzone miniatures?

I'm tired and haven't had coffee so I'm trying to understand something like $135,000 Stretch Goal. It isn't really to create "Enforcer Pathfinders" in plastic because those were part of the Deadzone miniatures, it is more so just get same miniatures but get it 'free' in the Battlegroup and Operation Heracles?

 Dark Severance wrote:
Is there an actual difference between Warpath miniatures vs Deadzone miniatures?

I'm tired and haven't had coffee so I'm trying to understand something like $135,000 Stretch Goal. It isn't really to create "Enforcer Pathfinders" in plastic because those were part of the Deadzone miniatures, it is more so just get same miniatures but get it 'free' in the Battlegroup and Operation Heracles?

there is no difference. The stretch goals like the pathfinders are to add additional minis not create new ones.

No difference.

They just throw in freebies/metal figures to take the sting out of having massive gulfs of funding between new HIPS kits.

GrimDork wrote:I'm pretty sure they will lock in my advanced warfare pledge when they add a plague army set to the list, really looking forward to plastic 3rd gens.

Ditto. For now, I'm going to sit at $1 so I can keep track of emails. I'll jump in for reals if I like the Plague offerings and/or the Asterians look like they could give my Eldar minis a reason to come back out and play. (The latter is going to have to be better than, 'You can shoehorn them models in these rules, if you like!' though.)

Dark Severance wrote:Is there an actual difference between Warpath miniatures vs Deadzone miniatures?

I'm tired and haven't had coffee so I'm trying to understand something like $135,000 Stretch Goal. It isn't really to create "Enforcer Pathfinders" in plastic because those were part of the Deadzone miniatures, it is more so just get same miniatures but get it 'free' in the Battlegroup and Operation Heracles?

It's the old routine of putting up less of a reward than you intend to give, so you can have some stretch goals fill out rewards to what you intended all along.