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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
Peter Jackson to Christopher Lee- Imagine the sound of a knife sinking into a man's back for this scene.

Christopher Lee- I don't have to imagine that, I remember it.

Is that a true quote? If so wow I recently heard about his war record but I had not heard that............

Yup, he was sort of a mix between Bond and the Most Interesting Man in the World.

 KingCracker wrote:
I agree with sebster on the actors talents, minus that Christenson guy, he's just bad. But I saw an out take with McGregor and Lukas where he was fighting general Grievous, all they are standing in is a green room, Ewen and Lukas are talking about what he's supposed to be doing and Lukas says something like " this guy is a huge scary robot OK." He motions with his hands his big the robot is "and uhhhh... He just scary" and walks back to the camera.

Exactly. It's interesting to watch the making of better green screen CGI fests, and the work they go to to give the actor some feeling for how the CGI will look. So they'll dress up some extra in a prop suit, or something similar, to give the actor visual cues for where he should be looking, and also to give him something to work with, the prop suit might not look exactly like a four armed death robot in the final cut, but at least the actor will have a sense of the scale of his enemy.

Lucas didn't do that, because he'd been out of the game a very long time, and failed to bring on board people who could give him that kind of instruction.

At that point, who in Hollywood could Lucas have hired that would dare criticize him? Rumor has it that he doesn't take "no" very well.

 sebster wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
I agree with sebster on the actors talents, minus that Christenson guy, he's just bad. But I saw an out take with McGregor and Lukas where he was fighting general Grievous, all they are standing in is a green room, Ewen and Lukas are talking about what he's supposed to be doing and Lukas says something like " this guy is a huge scary robot OK." He motions with his hands his big the robot is "and uhhhh... He just scary" and walks back to the camera.

Exactly. It's interesting to watch the making of better green screen CGI fests, and the work they go to to give the actor some feeling for how the CGI will look. So they'll dress up some extra in a prop suit, or something similar, to give the actor visual cues for where he should be looking, and also to give him something to work with, the prop suit might not look exactly like a four armed death robot in the final cut, but at least the actor will have a sense of the scale of his enemy.

Lucas didn't do that, because he'd been out of the game a very long time, and failed to bring on board people who could give him that kind of instruction.

Yeah if I remember right, Grievous was literally a tennis ball on a string of something like that. It's been awhile since I saw that clip


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 Psienesis wrote:
At that point, who in Hollywood could Lucas have hired that would dare criticize him? Rumor has it that he doesn't take "no" very well.

And that just reinforces how bad he is at this game. Think tanks will out perform an offer confident A hole any day of the week. Hence why the original movie was and is so good

 Smacks wrote:
I'm kind of a purist on this issue. My hope is that after Episode 9 is finished, Disney will go back and reimagine episodes 1, 2, & 3, and we all quietly forget everything that Lucas did after Return of the Jedi. Like the bad version of 1985 that never happened, and nothing of value was lost.

There's "re imagining" going on (couldn't find the thread for episode VII)

Rumor is they're bringing Hayden Christensen back for Episode VIII (Yes, 8, set for release in 2017) as a Darth Vader spirit guide. If it is true I just lost alot of hope for these movies...

We will see. I think he's a passable actor if he has a good director.

 Grey Templar wrote:
We will see. I think he's a passable actor if he has a good director.

I'll give you that. Jumpers was prety good. But its the taint left behind from the prequels that worries me

Maybe they just need him to record "Nooooo" in his voice?
It could be something similar to Anakin's appearance to Leia in, what was it, Truce at Bakura?

 Psienesis wrote:
At that point, who in Hollywood could Lucas have hired that would dare criticize him? Rumor has it that he doesn't take "no" very well.

It was quite a learning experience for me to read one of the early scripts for Star Wars. It was probably worse than any of the prequel scripts.

But what followed those early drafts was a long process of Lucas writing and re-writing, cutting away lots of ideas, and refining the script until it finally worked. And all that time Lucas was getting advice and direct intervention from a series of Hollywood greats. There's a story about Lucas and Francis Ford Coppola going away for a week, and Coppola just hammering the basics of film making in to Lucas over and over again.

That didn't happen with the prequels, and it shows.


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 KingCracker wrote:
Yeah if I remember right, Grievous was literally a tennis ball on a string of something like that. It's been awhile since I saw that clip

I don't know if it was the Grevious shot but I did see some stuff that was similar, with someone acting against a tennis ball.

The one that stood out for me was a wide shot from the first film, as the heroes advance across the palace smashing droids. I remember thinking how gakky that shot looked when I saw it at the movies. Then in the DVD release they showed the the pre-effects shot and it was just the cast standing on a big green stage. They just added the CGI stuff after. Obi-Wan's little pirouette looked really awkward for a good reason.

Watch JJ Abrams go back and re-shoot all the bad scenes from the originals and do a special edition prequel trilogy...

Harrison Ford to Lucas on the original screenplay: "You can type this [expletive] George, but you sure can't say it."

I think there was also speculation that Vader would be in the Rogue One movie and that it wasn't confirmed exactly which movie he was going to be in. It would make sense for him to show up in the movie dealing with the Death Star though.

Yeah, given that he was tasked to recover those stolen plans in epIV.

It makes sense that he's on the case - at least in the closing minutes of rogue one.

Yeah, I'd like to see Vader in R1. No idea what Christansen would have to do with that, though, it's James Earl Jones or no one for Vader's voice!

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't enjoyed the star wars films/games over the years, but hasn't this cow been milked enough over the years?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't enjoyed the star wars films/games over the years, but hasn't this cow been milked enough over the years?

Yes...and no. On the film side, we haven't had a good one in 35 years.


35 years.

 gorgon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't enjoyed the star wars films/games over the years, but hasn't this cow been milked enough over the years?

Yes...and no. On the film side, we haven't had a good one in 35 years.


35 years.

As I've said before, they'll be waiting another 35 years, because I think an awful lot of people will be disappointed with these new films...

Just thinking about Phantom menace and the hype leading up to it, brings me out in a cold sweat...

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to see Vader in R1. No idea what Christansen would have to do with that, though, it's James Earl Jones or no one for Vader's voice!

He'd just be in the suit, like he was for the very end of RotS. Jones will always do Darth Vader.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to see Vader in R1. No idea what Christansen would have to do with that, though, it's James Earl Jones or no one for Vader's voice!

He'd just be in the suit, like he was for the very end of RotS. Jones will always do Darth Vader.

I guess if they really wanted to they could include some shots with the helmet removed (like the scene where he is talking to an officer and opening his "bubble" as the helmet was lowered) to show Christansen, but I think that would feel a bit forced to be honest.

Now one thing that Sony can definitely do is re-release the soundtracks.

THOSE they have the rights to.

Those they ARE GOING to re-release.

 d-usa wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to see Vader in R1. No idea what Christansen would have to do with that, though, it's James Earl Jones or no one for Vader's voice!

He'd just be in the suit, like he was for the very end of RotS. Jones will always do Darth Vader.

I guess if they really wanted to they could include some shots with the helmet removed (like the scene where he is talking to an officer and opening his "bubble" as the helmet was lowered) to show Christansen, but I think that would feel a bit forced to be honest.

Exactly what I was thinking. There's not a great deal that would be added having him in the suit over anyone else, and really, I don't think we need to see the face/head. Everyone knows now that Anakin is Vader, there's no need to hammer that home any further.


On another note, yeah, a soundtrack release would be great!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't enjoyed the star wars films/games over the years, but hasn't this cow been milked enough over the years?

Yes...and no. On the film side, we haven't had a good one in 35 years.


35 years.

As I've said before, they'll be waiting another 35 years, because I think an awful lot of people will be disappointed with these new films...

Just thinking about Phantom menace and the hype leading up to it, brings me out in a cold sweat...

That's one really big benefit of the prequels and special editions. The bar is much, much lower. And JJ Abrams has shown a talent for telling his own stories within an existing universe. I would have been furious if he was remaking the Star Wars original trilogy, because he would have thrown that sucker Into Darkness, but as long as you don't think of Cumberbach as Khan, it works. The idea of a frozen superweapon designing another superweapon to secretly use against the federation.... frankly sounds really Star Wars. Death Stars everywhere- and when they weren't, we had Super Star Destroyers. As long as he delivers something that is as much fun as his Star Trek films, and half as melodramtic as his trailers, it will be a very satisfying addition to the films.

I suppose it's safe to say that I have a new hope.