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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/21 13:03:34
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So friday Iwas playing against someone who was playing space marines. Nothing irregular except for the fact that he has a Kastellan robot maniple. I ask him about it since we specifically agreed that we wouldn't bring unbound armies.
He said that it the kastellans formed a formation with his Imperial knight. I had never heard about it, but the guy couldn't show me any proof, saying it's not in the codex but somewhere else.
Not wanting to acuse him of being a liar, because I didn't know for sure, and not wanting the two hour trip to the gameshop to be wasted for nothing, I just dropped the subject and started unpacking.
But I kept wondering... is there truly such a formation? Just a knight and kastellans? Google has brought up no results, so I'm still highly suspicious.
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You don't have to be happy when you lose, just don't make winning the condition of your happiness. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/21 13:09:28
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
England
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All I know that includes those things is the War Convocation, but I thought that had Skitarii stuff in it too?
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/21 13:17:31
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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The only formation with the kastellans is the cybernetica cohort. He would have needed atleast 4 robots, 2 data smiths and a dominus that forms a single unit. The war convocation is the only detachment right now that's multi codex, and that's around 1300 points minimum with skatarii, cult mech, and a knight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/21 14:22:22
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Everything seems fine, as long as his space marine part was bound, taking a knight formation of one knight and a single formation from the mechanicus.
The way that bound works is now everything has to belong to a formation. These can be the CAD chart or special codex formations or other FOC.
As long as each unit is bought as part of a single detachment. you can bring as many formations as you want and still be a legal and bound army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/21 15:21:41
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Fixture of Dakka
Vanished Completely
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The Opening Post isn't asking how it was legal, they are asking if one of the Formations used even exists. In this situation, tell your opponent you will allow him to play it for the time being but they will still needs to produce the Formation Datasheet in the future. This is so you will have a copy of the Rules governing the use of said Formation, including the name so you can Google it later and verify if the Rules presented match. After all, I would be more concerned about the lack or vague nature of any benefits that this Formation would be granted and need to ensure those restrictions are being followed to ensure the Formation is legal.
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8th made it so I can no longer sway Tau onto the side of Chaos, but they will eventually turn aside from their idea of the Greater Good to embrace the Greatest of pleasures. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 18:38:21
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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JinxDragon wrote:The Opening Post isn't asking how it was legal, they are asking if one of the Formations used even exists.
In this situation, tell your opponent you will allow him to play it for the time being but they will still needs to produce the Formation Datasheet in the future. This is so you will have a copy of the Rules governing the use of said Formation, including the name so you can Google it later and verify if the Rules presented match. After all, I would be more concerned about the lack or vague nature of any benefits that this Formation would be granted and need to ensure those restrictions are being followed to ensure the Formation is legal.
To specify, he said that the formation was 1 knight of any type + 1 Robot maniple and that it had no additional benefit apart from being able to take them combined as 1 LoW slot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 18:58:03
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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grazingshot wrote:The only formation with the kastellans is the cybernetica cohort. He would have needed atleast 4 robots, 2 data smiths and a dominus that forms a single unit. The war convocation is the only detachment right now that's multi codex, and that's around 1300 points minimum with skatarii, cult mech, and a knight.
That's not true at all.
The Kastellans are in two formations from Cult Mechanicus. The Elimination Maniple(2-3 Kataphron Destroyer units, and 1-3 Kastellan units) and the Cybernetica Cohort(2 units of Kastellans and a Dominus).
Additionally, the War Convocation does not utilize any Cult Mechanicus formations but rather it utilizes their Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation Detachment(1 HQ, 2-8 Troops, 0-4 Elites, and 0-2 Heavy Support) meaning that you could very well have Kastellans in the War Convocation.
Also, there is a second formation which is multi-codex called the "Cohort Mechanicus" which is the web bundle one.
In any regards OP, taking a formation is not considered to make something "Unbound". Your opponent was not correct in stating that there was a detachment/formation with both a unit of Kastellans(as I'm assuming he did not have 4 of them and a Techpriest Dominus) and a single Knight, but if he had taken the following:
Space Marine CAD
Cohort Cybernetica
Oathsworn Knight(a detachment that can never be your primary detachment and cannot take relics and consists of 1-3 Knights)
It would have been considered Battle-Forged in that regards. Automatically Appended Next Post: DaPino wrote:
To specify, he said that the formation was 1 knight of any type + 1 Robot maniple and that it had no additional benefit apart from being able to take them combined as 1 LoW slot.
I have not come across a formation that does such a thing. It COULD be from the Horus Heresy lists; but if that were the case he should have produced the books.
In the future, just make sure you ask "Could you show me that please? It's not that I do not believe you, but I would like to see it for future reference."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 19:33:33
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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DaPino wrote:JinxDragon wrote:The Opening Post isn't asking how it was legal, they are asking if one of the Formations used even exists.
In this situation, tell your opponent you will allow him to play it for the time being but they will still needs to produce the Formation Datasheet in the future. This is so you will have a copy of the Rules governing the use of said Formation, including the name so you can Google it later and verify if the Rules presented match. After all, I would be more concerned about the lack or vague nature of any benefits that this Formation would be granted and need to ensure those restrictions are being followed to ensure the Formation is legal.
To specify, he said that the formation was 1 knight of any type + 1 Robot maniple and that it had no additional benefit apart from being able to take them combined as 1 LoW slot.
That definitely not a formation because formations don't use detachmetn slots period
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 19:40:48
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Fixture of Dakka
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DaPino wrote:
To specify, he said that the formation was 1 knight of any type + 1 Robot maniple and that it had no additional benefit apart from being able to take them combined as 1 LoW slot.
No such formation currently exists in any 40k resource.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 19:45:07
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
England
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Okay, he was completely BSing.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/24 21:58:36
Subject: Can't find a supposedly existing formation.
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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Just to be far, he could have taken the Maniple and an Oathbound Knight in a legal list. It woukd be two separate formations, but still totally legal.
SJ
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