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 Psienesis wrote:
More freedom than... where, again? There's not many things that are freedoms in the US that are not in Europe, outside the possession of firearms.


Economy. By a long shot. EU is extremely restrictive towards companies compared to the US.

   
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 SickSix wrote:
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You have to pass several tests to get a driver's license, I assume.


They are joke. Clearly demonstrated by the millions of deaths and car wrecks every year.
Background checks and forms for guns are a joke, clearly demonstrated by the (number) of deaths and injuries every year. That either set of tests and checks can't/don't prevent death and injury doesn't mean that the measures aren't there, which could lead to a driving license being more difficult to obtain than a concealed carry license. Do you actually have to be tested on whether you know how to properly operate a firearm?




Actually they work FANTASTICLY. How about the millions of legal gun owners who have never hurt anyone?
How about the millions of legal car owners who have never hurt anyone? Come on, please say you could see this reply coming...


For cars, we require a minimum age to operate, licensing to exhibit competency, insurance to cover costs if you injure yourself or others, or their property, and registration with the state.


No. I can legally purchase a car without having a drivers license and without having insurance. I only need those if I choose to drive the car on public roads. I can buy all the cars I can afford and keep them on my property without having a license or insurance. I cannot legally purchase a pistol in my state without passing a background check, getting three people to provide a character reference for me and submitting them and the appropriate forms to the county sheriff and waiting for the sherrif to send me a pistol purchase permit which can be revoked at any time, is good for the purchase of only one pistol and I have to keep a record of the sale. I can have no insurance, have a revoked license for multiple duis and still legally own a car.


Which is comparable to the Drivers License process, not the actual purchase of a car, you're comparing apples to oranges.

Sounds like your state does it right, most states dont, and the inconsistency is a problem. Getting a Drivers License is fairly consistant across the country as far as I'm aware.

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The gun law thing is great and everything, but my question is: why are the shooters almost always men?
   
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Seems like most of them have the common feeling of social inadequacy. They all wanted attention.

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Leerstetten, Germany

It maybe one of those "truths" that really isn't true, but I think men are usually more likely to commit violent suicide whereas women commit "nice" suicide.

Going down in a spray of bullets may be an extension of that?
   
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 Psienesis wrote:
More freedom than... where, again? There's not many things that are freedoms in the US that are not in Europe, outside the possession of firearms.


Freedom of speech/expression is less there than here. Like you can't have Swastikas and other Nazi paraphernalia in Germany. And as I recall some guy was arrested for Hate Speech for a rude facebook post or something.

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Almost all mass shootings have been carried out by marginalized individuals with mental health issues. They feel that they do not have a voice. They feel unimportant. They believe that in death they can have a platform for their views and be legitimized in doing so. And every single time the media does it. They publish manifestos. They devote hours of talking incessantly and speculating about why the acts were carried out. And it reaches a new audience. Those who also feel marginalized. That have trouble integrating with society. This person was sadly right when he said the more people you kill the more limelight you get. So the next sick person who feels marginalized, and who can relate to this killer knows that if he wants to be heard, to have a voice, to leave his mark on society all he has to do is to make himself a martyr for his beliefs. In their eyes if other people have to suffer along the way then so be it.

Maybe with this incident we are turning the corner. We are celebrating and giving thanks to those who willingly put their lives at risk to stop the shooter.

 
   
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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The gun law thing is great and everything, but my question is: why are the shooters almost always men?


Because men make up the extremes of society.

Men are the richest, the poorest, the smartest, the dumbest, the fittest, the fattest and so on.

Mass shooting is an extreme, so it's only natural it's populated by men.


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Almost all mass shootings have been carried out by marginalized individuals with mental health issues. They feel that they do not have a voice. They feel unimportant. They believe that in death they can have a platform for their views and be legitimized in doing so. And every single time the media does it. They publish manifestos. They devote hours of talking incessantly and speculating about why the acts were carried out. And it reaches a new audience. Those who also feel marginalized. That have trouble integrating with society. This person was sadly right when he said the more people you kill the more limelight you get. So the next sick person who feels marginalized, and who can relate to this killer knows that if he wants to be heard, to have a voice, to leave his mark on society all he has to do is to make himself a martyr for his beliefs. In their eyes if other people have to suffer along the way then so be it.

Maybe with this incident we are turning the corner. We are celebrating and giving thanks to those who willingly put their lives at risk to stop the shooter.


Agreed. Focus on the people killed or were heroic in the situation and don't even worry about the killer. Flush their memory into the obscurity it so richly merits.
   
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CNN did up a nice chart for the president:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/oregon-shooting-terrorism-gun-violence/index.html?sr=fb100215gun%20terrorism%20graph1007AMVODtop&linkId=17541597

Using numbers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we found that from 2001 to 2013, 406,496 people died by firearms on U.S. soil. (2013 is the most recent year CDC data for deaths by firearms is available.) This data covered all manners of death, including homicide, accident and suicide.


From their chart we can see the death count has been on the rise since 04. Is this loss of life really worth allowing people to have guns? I say no, let's repeal the second amendment and replace it with some sanity. To answer yes, and by doing nothing to reduce the gun deaths, accepting this as a fair payment for your right to have a gun, is to say feth you to all the victims.

 
   
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No. Its a bad chart as its not showing the actual trend they are trying to claim is happening because it includes suicides and accidents.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Firearm crime, and crime in general, are dropping like a lead balloon.

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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
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Cincinnati, Ohio

Good thing no one in the U.S. Cares what you think about the 2nd amendment. You have literally no say.

And those numbers are only up because suicides are up. That's a mental health concern. Homicides, as presented earlier, are not.

 
   
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Brisbane

Now we're bleeding into the "if you aren't US we don't care" territory on top of the rest of it, we're done.

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