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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 18:38:37
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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That was awesome!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 18:48:35
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I thought it was mentioned that the House hadn't voted to fast track it. Is it only the Senate vote that counts? Or are both chambers required to agree on fast track before it happens?
Ouze wrote:blaktoof wrote:yes water is safe so all chemicals are, you are very very very smart :(
That's not what I said, of course. This whole uproar over "chemicals", though, is just sort of a good example of scientific illiteracy. The fact that a food additive can be used for other stuff in other industries does not necessarily mean it's unsafe for consumption. Salt is used in textile bleach, but it's also essential to optimum health. Hydrochloric acid is a harsh chemical used to pickle steel, but your stomach is full of it. Oxygen is a corrosive gas used to etch glass, but you'd die without it. I mean, it's just tomfoolery to take half a picture like that; surely you can see that, right? That just because something is a "chemical" means it's unsafe, and just because something is "natural", like, say, cyanide or nightshade or strychnine or polonium doesn't mean it's safe?
But... but... Monsanto!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 21:56:44
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Breotan wrote:
I thought it was mentioned that the House hadn't voted to fast track it. Is it only the Senate vote that counts? Or are both chambers required to agree on fast track before it happens?
Ouze wrote:blaktoof wrote:yes water is safe so all chemicals are, you are very very very smart :(
That's not what I said, of course. This whole uproar over "chemicals", though, is just sort of a good example of scientific illiteracy. The fact that a food additive can be used for other stuff in other industries does not necessarily mean it's unsafe for consumption. Salt is used in textile bleach, but it's also essential to optimum health. Hydrochloric acid is a harsh chemical used to pickle steel, but your stomach is full of it. Oxygen is a corrosive gas used to etch glass, but you'd die without it. I mean, it's just tomfoolery to take half a picture like that; surely you can see that, right? That just because something is a "chemical" means it's unsafe, and just because something is "natural", like, say, cyanide or nightshade or strychnine or polonium doesn't mean it's safe?
But... but... Monsanto!
senate voted to fast track it through TPA > it goes to Obama, Obama will sign it > it goes to congress> congress votes- their word is then final on the current TPP proposal.
The 'fast track' allows the president to present the final version to congress, and not a proposal that can be modified in some way by further votings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 21:58:44
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Ah, got it. Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 22:16:28
Subject: Re:Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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The truth is that understanding the implications of this are wholly beyond me. NAFTA was what, like 20 years ago or so? and I still don't really know what the ultimate impact of that was, as heavily debated as it was.
So if you guys understand what is in it, and think it's bad, more power to you, because I can't call it.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 22:21:12
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Ouze wrote:blaktoof wrote:yes water is safe so all chemicals are, you are very very very smart :(
That's not what I said, of course. This whole uproar over "chemicals", though, is just sort of a good example of scientific illiteracy. The fact that a food additive can be used for other stuff in other industries does not necessarily mean it's unsafe for consumption. Salt is used in textile bleach, but it's also essential to optimum health. Hydrochloric acid is a harsh chemical used to pickle steel, but your stomach is full of it. Oxygen is a corrosive gas used to etch glass, but you'd die without it. I mean, it's just tomfoolery to take half a picture like that; surely you can see that, right? That just because something is a "chemical" means it's unsafe, and just because something is "natural", like, say, cyanide or nightshade or strychnine or polonium doesn't mean it's safe?
Going off on the other side of what you said, though, I agree fully. I know in some states - pretty sure Iowa is one of them - there were a bunch of animal abuses and unsafe, unhealthy practices shown on farms by undercover video. The response was to pass laws allowing for prosecution of people who shot undercover video on said farms. Such a facepalm that day. So, on that angle of it, I totally, totally agree with you; we need less of that.
I agree the uproar over chemicals, much like the branding of things "organic" is ridiculous in most cases.
The Subway bread one however is potentially scary as they never released how much azodicarbonamide they were putting in the bread. Most likely it was too much, since they just stopped doing it instead of explaining how its used by many companies that make products from dough. Some countries, not all allow its use in dough as a bleaching agent in very small quantities, but they were adding it to change the texture of their bread which is what is done in the plastics industry with PVC to create "foamy" PVC like in yogamats. This allows it to also produce various chemicals which are bad for humans. Yes our bodies produce very very small amounts of them in some cases in certain areas of the body, that does not mean its okay to ingest or eat them. Much like our lungs can take oxygen and put it in the heme in our blood, it does not mean its safe to inject oxygen bubbles into your blood stream. There is a big difference in how chemicals interact with living things based on their uptake.
Regardless, the "yoga mat" chemical azodicarbonamide produces as a byproduct ethyl carbamate, through interaction with water. In which there is a significant amount when making dough. The production of ethyl carbamate is driven kinetically by temperature as part of the rate reaction, wherein at high temperatures, which baking qualifies for, the amount of ethyl carbamate increases greatly. The more azodicarbonamide present the more urea, or in this case biurea is produced as a main product. Any biurea that breaks down from heating, and baking temperatures plus time will do this, results in making among other things a possible two moieties of ethyl carbamate per azodicarbonamide moeity. The chance of this product forming over others is again, increased on heating [baking].
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/14151487_The_contribution_of_azodicarbonamide_to_ethyl_carbamate_formation_in_bread_and_beer
There are lots of research papers on ethyl carbamate formation, because not terribly long ago it was often found in alcohol as one of the things that poisoned and made people very ill, and possibly dead. There is still ethyl carbamate in many things we eat and drink but it has to be below certain levels in ppb, which the subway bread was never measured for by the FDA post baking. Considering they were adding enough to go beyond bleaching and change the bread texture, they were possibly adding more than allowed by the FDA, and the potential ppb, or ppm were probably well beyond the carcinogenic level post baking. Europe and Australia do not allow azdoicarbonamide in food, and the only reason we see ethyl carbamate allowance is because we can't keep it out of alcohol due to the interaction with yeast and ethanol. However there are laws in many countries limiting how much can be in things we ingest. Subway was not in compliance with that law due to not testing it. I do not think its a federal law because the epa does not have levels listed, but I know at the least cal/epa has acceptable levels. Of course this chemical is in more than subway bread, bust most people are using it as a bleaching agent where it is in much lower concentrations than what they had to be using.
Under the new TPP someone calling them out on this and asking them to be checked by the FDA to see if it is safe, would be endangering their profits and could be taken to court.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 22:30:39
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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blaktoof wrote:The Subway bread one however is potentially scary as they never released how much azodicarbonamide they were putting in the bread. Most likely it was too much, since they just stopped doing it instead of explaining how its used by many companies that make products from dough.
See, I don't think that's at all possible to extrapolate out from that. It's just way less hassle to drop the ingredient if it's not totally essential; rather than have to try and make highly technical explanations to a public that loathes technical explanations. I mean, yeah, maybe? But we don't know, and we can't know. What I do know is that azodicarbonamide is incredibly common in baked goods, continues to be so, and I think chances are the vast majority of posters on this board (certainly the US ones) ate at least some of it today. I will drop this aside at this point though since it's really not very topical so the main thread and I don't think we're really going to agree.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 22:33:22
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Your body makes the same chemical. It's also created by fermentation and curing, so if you are eating/drinking beer, wine, cheese, breads, sausages, etc you are investing this chemical that is so terrible for everyone that you are making in your own body already. We also already know how much of it was in the bread because the FDA regulates how much can be used and it is still included in pretty much every other dough product that you are eating that hasn't been caught up in the Fiod Babe shitstorm. There has also not been a single case of cancer that has been attributed to it.
But Subway is smart enough to realize that it is easier to make slightly shittier bread and that it's better to make a worse product than try to explain to internet experts without any credentials and their mobs why they are wrong.
This chick is making a living from posting uneducated bs and you should feel bad for repeating it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/07 22:59:06
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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d-usa wrote:Your body makes the same chemical. It's also created by fermentation and curing, so if you are eating/drinking beer, wine, cheese, breads, sausages, etc you are investing this chemical that is so terrible for everyone that you are making in your own body already. We also already know how much of it was in the bread because the FDA regulates how much can be used and it is still included in pretty much every other dough product that you are eating that hasn't been caught up in the Fiod Babe shitstorm. There has also not been a single case of cancer that has been attributed to it.
But Subway is smart enough to realize that it is easier to make slightly shittier bread and that it's better to make a worse product than try to explain to internet experts without any credentials and their mobs why they are wrong.
This chick is making a living from posting uneducated bs and you should feel bad for repeating it.
tbh I never read her article from food babe and did not know who she was until this thread. If I posted anything she posted, It is coincidence- and I doubt she posted any of the stuff above.
I knew about the azodicarbonamide from discussions within my research group that someone brought up regarding a news article on guardian or huffington post, I cannot recall right now as that was over a year ago. We came to the theory that in order for them to change the texture of the bread, and not just bleach it, they would have had to gone beyond the cal/epa limit, as well as the federal limit to approach how much is required to change the texture of PVC for its plastic use. Mostly we just talked about the decomposition of azodicarbonamide into biurea through hydrogenation of the nitrogens double bond, and the further decomposition to urea from the cleavage of the N-N bond, then formation of ethyl carbamate in the presence of ethanol then trying to figure out of there was a competing reaction with semicarbazide for secondary product formation or if the semicarbazide was formed during ethyl carbamate formation from the ammonia that is given off after the oxygen on the ethanol attacks a possible carbo-cation intermediate on the carbonyl and displaces the NH2, then we realized the oxygen must be forming a hydrogen bond with one of the more PkB NH2 on the urea and there is some kind of "butterfly" like intermediate with a carbo-cation binding partially with the Oxygen which is hydrogen bound to the NH2, resulting in wanting to form a stable complex and kicking off the NH3 and leaving the O-CH3 moiety in its place as a ester which forms ethyl carbamate. That would allow for the NH3 to come off and attack the other Urea moiety and form Semi Carbazide + H2 gas. anyways...
additionally they did not list it or its concentration on the ingredients as they were required to do.
Given they did not list the ingredient, or the amount used as required, and our reasoning that they had to use a lot more beyond the amount used to bleach bread to change the texture- we opted it was safer to just not eat subway anymore. Which was a shame because they were very close to our research lab.
§ 172.806 Azodicarbonamide.
To assure safe use of the additive:
(1) The label and labeling of the additive and any intermediate premix prepared therefrom shall bear, in addition to the other information required by the Act, the following:
(i) The name of the additive.
(ii) A statement of the concentration or the strength of the additive in any intermediate premixes.
(2) The label or labeling of the food additive shall also bear adequate directions for use.
having watched part of the video on food babe now and looked at some of her stuff, its obvious she likes profiting off people who think they are social justice warriors. Despite that, it does not mean everything she says should be ignored- just like it should not all be listened to.
regardless of all that, under the TPP if you released such a statement, or someone went and actually tested their baked bread to find the amount of ethyl carbamate, or azodicarbonamide, and released that data showing it over the limit they could be pretty harshly shut down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/08 07:17:54
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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loki old fart wrote:Yes it is an old argument, and just as valid now, as it was then. Some were able to move to lower paid jobs(service industries - Burger anyone?).
A lot retired, thus increasing the burden on the pension services. And a tax increase for everyone else.
Any increase in GDP was the result of bank de-regulation. Any increase in living standards was provided by limitless credit.
The bank de-regulation and limitless credit led to the bank crash of 2008, and austerity for all.(2008 was just an appetizer, the main course is coming soon).
What? The living standard improvement of the 20th century was all just due to credit? A worker in 1999 was actually earning the same as a worker in 1900, it just looked like more because he was borrowing. Uh huh. Yep. That's a sensible thing.
And the big corporations are certainly getting the lions share of this deal.
Corporations are benefiting. And while it would be very simplistic to assume that gain is automatically to the benefit of everyone, it's just as simplistic and naive to assume that laws that benefit major companies can't produce greater economic outcomes overall. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ensis Ferrae wrote:My point there wasn't that the "other guys" will be the only ones to benefit from it. Another poster from NZ posited that it would be a net positive for his/her country. I can neither agree or disagree with that, because I simply don't know the economic/political climate there. All I know is that there are many, many people here in the Tacoma area that are majorly against it.
I don't know Tahoma, or what it's industries are. It could be that it relies on industries that will be no longer practical under the TPP. Although once again I have to point out there's actually very little removal of protections in this new bill, because almost all protections are already gone.
But as an example, here in Australia there's been a whole lot of noise about our car industry finally closing its doors, it is no longer viable with the last of the protections disappearing. But at the same time, protections have reduced on things we are actually quite good at doing, especially in agriculture. Driving a shift away from a non-competitive auto industry and towards agriculture and other primary industries is only good for our economy. Long term it's only good for each economy to do what it's good at, that's the basis of trade. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:The truth is that understanding the implications of this are wholly beyond me. NAFTA was what, like 20 years ago or so? and I still don't really know what the ultimate impact of that was, as heavily debated as it was.
NAFTA has been pretty outstanding for Mexico. While people only hear about drug wars, the country is quietly undergoing amazing industrial change, driven in part by NAFTA.
Some people will therefore assume that the US must have lost out of NAFTA, but there's basically zero evidence of that. There's also not that much evidence of great advantage either, outside of individual industries. But that's really a product of the US being very big while the other parties to NAFTA are much smaller. It's easier to figure out the impact the elephant has on the mosquito, than vice versa.
So if you guys understand what is in it, and think it's bad, more power to you, because I can't call it.
I don't think anyone here has any understanding what's in it. As I pointed out before there's hardly any removals of protections in the bill, but that's what everyone is arguing about, because they don't know what's in the bill.
As to the substance of the actual bill, the chances to IP and improved powers for companies to sue etc, well I've got no idea if they're good or not.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/10/15 07:06:00
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It was blatantly obvious from the beginning that the TPP was going to be gak. Any time the government tries to keep a law a secret, it's because they're trying to feth you over - anyone who isn't knowingly selling you out has nothing to gain by such an action.
Unsurprisingly, that's exactly what we're getting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 02:51:44
Subject: Re:Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Full text released.
IP "protection" has gotten worse, internet rights are getting a kick in the balls, DMCA policies are getting spread across the Pacific and strengthened, and there's still the ability for corporations to sue governments for laws that impede profits over laws that would protect things like the environment or citizen's health .
So for it looks like it's gone from "We're fethed" to "We're about to become personal feth toys for over 150 corporations ."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 03:10:48
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No state will benefit from this, they all lose. Once the republicans agreed with Obama on this deal, you knew it had to be bad for the people.
"Nobel Prize-winning economist and Columbia University professor Joseph Stiglitz warns about the dangers of the TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership. "We know we’re going to need regulations to restrict the emissions of carbon," Stiglitz said. "But under these provisions, corporations can sue the government, including the American government, by the way, so it’s all the governments in the TPP can be sued for the loss of profits as a result of the regulations that restrict their ability to emit carbon emissions that lead to global warming."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 06:13:51
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d-usa wrote:
Complaining about the yoga mat chemical is as stupid as the anti-vaxxers posting pictures of a syringe with skulls and "it has chemicals in it"
I could go into a long and extensive explanation about why it is stupid based on medical knowledge and science, but then I would be competing against the Internet and everybody knows that when it comes to taking on uninformed misguided rage on the Internet the Internet will always beat you.
Can I just not like it because I don't like soft squishy bread that has no bite to it?
Seriously, bread shouldn't be more than yeast, water, flour, and salt. Anything else is a disservice to yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:13:16
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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daedalus wrote: d-usa wrote:
Complaining about the yoga mat chemical is as stupid as the anti-vaxxers posting pictures of a syringe with skulls and "it has chemicals in it"
I could go into a long and extensive explanation about why it is stupid based on medical knowledge and science, but then I would be competing against the Internet and everybody knows that when it comes to taking on uninformed misguided rage on the Internet the Internet will always beat you.
Can I just not like it because I don't like soft squishy bread that has no bite to it?
Seriously, bread shouldn't be more than yeast, water, flour, and salt. Anything else is a disservice to yourself.
Wat. Taste is taste and not everyone needs every bread to be crusty rustic loaf. Soft rolls, sweetened breads, unleavened, fine crumb, crunchy it's all good. Fats, dairy, sugar, eggs even flavor agents all their place in the right in bread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:21:31
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I'm still not sure why some people think that it's a good idea to hand over countries to the 'mercy' of large corporations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:22:24
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Blade Runner here we come, corporate control is a fact
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:32:52
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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1. A trade deal is going to benefit corporations and business people. This isn't a conspiracy.
2. A trade deal involving tariffs is going to hurt protectionism, so some will benefit others will lose out by protectionism vs free trade.
The scare stories are ancillary to this.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:36:04
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Same thing here with TAFTA, with American companies wanting to flood the European market with chlorine-washed chicken and hormones-treated meat.
*Sigh* And no one cares.
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Scientia potentia est.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:45:59
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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There is enough of that in the EU already. Just because its in the EU doesn't mean the meat production standards are top notch. And some member nations consider EU directives voluntary, others compulsory; and there is a lot of blind eyeing to this.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:48:41
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It has been for a long time, the only thing that's being adjusted is the level of blatancy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:52:07
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Orlanth wrote:There is enough of that in the EU already. Just because its in the EU doesn't mean the meat production standards are top notch. And some member nations consider EU directives voluntary, others compulsory; and there is a lot of blind eyeing to this.
Sad, but true.
And I still don't know if people either don't understand, don't care or think it's a good thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 08:57:17
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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It's also heading the other way. A lot of the scare stories surround loss of digital 'rights', notably the right to pirate stuff undetected.
ISPs having to hold onto net use data has more to do with counter-terrorism than download snooping. Besides since when was pirating software a 'right'?
The EU and US have similar trade deals, yet that didn't prevent the EU from ruling in 2012 that software end users can sell on their copies against the wishes of software developers. This as yet only applies to games so far, but its a step in the right direction ans is post trade deals.
This isn't the end of the line for digital rights.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 09:00:51
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Orlanth wrote:It's also heading the other way. A lot of the scare stories surround loss of digital 'rights', notably the right to pirate stuff undetected.
ISPs having to hold onto net use data has more to do with counter-terrorism than download snooping. Besides since when was pirating software a 'right'?
The EU and US have similar trade deals, yet that didn't prevent the EU from ruling in 2012 that software end users can sell on their copies against the wishes of software developers. This as yet only applies to games so far, but its a step in the right direction ans is post trade deals.
This isn't the end of the line for digital rights.
As I wrote on my Windows 10 thread, the issue is more with handing your hard drive content to companies and letting them check for pirated stuff (officially). Private data should remain private.
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Scientia potentia est.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 13:36:40
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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RivenSkull wrote:Full text released.
IP "protection" has gotten worse, internet rights are getting a kick in the balls, DMCA policies are getting spread across the Pacific and strengthened, and there's still the ability for corporations to sue governments for laws that impede profits over laws that would protect things like the environment or citizen's health .
So for it looks like it's gone from "We're fethed" to "We're about to become personal feth toys for over 150 corporations ."
Excellent!*
*Translation I can't do a thing about it. Automatically Appended Next Post: thenoobbomb wrote:I'm still not sure why some people think that it's a good idea to hand over countries to the 'mercy' of large corporations.
Because those people make a lot of money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 13:41:41
Subject: Re:Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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Frazzled wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
thenoobbomb wrote:I'm still not sure why some people think that it's a good idea to hand over countries to the 'mercy' of large corporations.
Because those people make a lot of money.
Slave owners too made a lot of money.
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Scientia potentia est.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 14:08:32
Subject: Re:Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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LethalShade wrote: Frazzled wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
thenoobbomb wrote:I'm still not sure why some people think that it's a good idea to hand over countries to the 'mercy' of large corporations.
Because those people make a lot of money.
Slave owners too made a lot of money.
Don't say made say make. Slavery still exists.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 18:32:36
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Ouze wrote:blaktoof wrote:so the thing like when Subway was adding a chemical used to make yoga mats in their bread to make it more even, which also causes cancer, as a "food process" and not a "food additive" so they could bypass the FDA.
I've read they also add Dihydrogen Monoxide to it - Dihydrogen Monoxide is used by the nuclear power industry, and is invariably fatal if enough is ingested.
Oh no! Not dihydrogen monoxide! At this rate, they'll be adding carbonic acid to our soda!
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/06 23:56:24
Subject: Re:Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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NZ has released TTP text.
http://tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text
Zip file here.
www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/trade-agreement/transpacific/TPP-text/TPP_All-Chapters.zip
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/07 00:03:04
Subject: Trans-Pacific free trade deal agreed creating vast partnership
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daedalus wrote:
Can I just not like it because I don't like soft squishy bread that has no bite to it?
Seriously, bread shouldn't be more than yeast, water, flour, and salt. Anything else is a disservice to yourself.
I will fully support any actions against the soft, fluffy, abomination that is American "bread".
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