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2015/10/11 18:59:51
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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"I'm out, I'm done!"
This item is hardly news to most of you, but I think I've hit my hard cap on this bullgak.
Shameless recruitment: Anyone wanna move to Epic? Its the same size game, but with smaller minis.
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2015/10/11 19:13:42
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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I don't get what the problem here is. Are you forced to only buy battle forces or something?
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2015/10/11 19:19:11
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's the same price as the box it replaced, but with three less bikes. If that's not the problem though, I don't know what is.
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2015/10/11 19:22:00
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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 JamesY wrote:It's the same price as the box it replaced, but with three less bikes. If that's not the problem though, I don't know what is.
And how would I know that if the OP only posts the after and not the before
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2015/10/11 19:24:35
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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What! That is more than 10 pounds per miniature! The previous battleforce was okay pricewise, but this is insane. It is that Privateer Press and Hawk Wargames aren't any cheaper, but else I would have given up too.  CrownAxe wrote:I don't get what the problem here is. Are you forced to only buy battle forces or something?
The individual models aren't any cheaper...
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2015/10/11 19:35:35
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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 Iron_Captain wrote:What!
That is more than 10 pounds per miniature! The previous battleforce was okay pricewise, but this is insane.
It is that Privateer Press and Hawk Wargames aren't any cheaper, but else I would have given up too.
CrownAxe wrote:I don't get what the problem here is. Are you forced to only buy battle forces or something?
The individual models aren't any cheaper...
The battle force saves you 8 USD
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2015/10/11 19:37:48
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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About £5 then, so I could buy Primer for them xD
The fact that they removed three bikes and didn't pass on the savings makes me laugh...but really I wouldn't expect anything less from GW.
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2015/10/11 19:48:03
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CrownAxe wrote: JamesY wrote:It's the same price as the box it replaced, but with three less bikes. If that's not the problem though, I don't know what is.
And how would I know that if the OP only posts the after and not the before
You asked a question and got an answer. What's your problem? I wasn't patronizing you, so why the hostility?
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2015/10/11 19:56:22
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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I'm confused.
Why would you not just buy multiple Dark Vengeances.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2015/10/11 20:00:07
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Confessor Of Sins
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If the RW Upgrade Pack is the same as the RW Accessory Pack you save exactly 4 pounds. That's actually very generous considering it's GW we're talking about.
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2015/10/11 20:04:54
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
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Different units.
Dark Vengeance has a Tactical Squad (full 10 guys with Plasma Pistol, Gun and Cannon), Deathwing Terminators (5 guys, 1 Chainfist and an Assault Cannon), Ravenwing bikers (3 guys, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword and Plasma Gun), Power Armor Librarian with Force Sword and a Company Master. All are the "snap fit" models.
This has Black Knights/ RW Command, Attack Bike, RW Upgrade Spue and Land Speeder. All are the actual kits.
Certainly seems like DV might strictly be better value for money but if you want an Attack Bike, Black Knights or a Land Speeder/Sableclaw...
Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker since i bought this kit, admittedly at a discount from Gifts For Geeks.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo   - ???? - Input wanted! |
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2015/10/11 20:48:09
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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So buy DV, sell off the CSM portion and put it toward this.
What's the big deal here?
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2015/10/11 21:02:11
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
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In response to my post? Was just explaining the idea of getting this instead of Dark Vengeance again.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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2015/10/11 21:03:20
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Yep, some of their boxes are nuts. EBay is the way to go.
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2015/10/11 21:04:32
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Four bikes and a Speeder is a battleforce now?
Christ on a crutch, that's getting...silly.
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2015/10/11 21:07:38
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The battle force comes with the Ravenwing Upgrade sprues so individual cost of all the kits is £74, meaning the battle force is saving you £14.
Granted, this is still expensive per model, but you can't complain that the battle force box isn't a decent saving. Leaves you with plenty of bits for upgrading standard space marine bikers into Ravenwing, Sableclaw from a land speeder, and bits for other vehicles.
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2015/10/11 21:11:44
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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 Vaktathi wrote:Four bikes and a Speeder is a battleforce now?
Christ on a crutch, that's getting...silly.
Getting silly? GW are well past the point of being considered nuttier than a squirrel's turd.
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Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
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2015/10/11 21:25:38
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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And when you click "Read More" you realise you missed this:
this one comes with an assault cannon, a heavy flamer, a Typhoon missile launcher, a multi-melta and a heavy bolter. Also included is a Ravenwing Upgrade Frame, meaning this kit contains literally hundreds of components.
But who needs upgrades, DUH!
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2015/10/11 21:40:39
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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 DalinCriid wrote:And when you click "Read More" you realise you missed this:
this one comes with an assault cannon, a heavy flamer, a Typhoon missile launcher, a multi-melta and a heavy bolter. Also included is a Ravenwing Upgrade Frame, meaning this kit contains literally hundreds of components.
Is that so?
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Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
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2015/10/11 21:46:47
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Don't forget that it comes with a new box cover so you can impress all the other hobbyists that you're expanding your collection of GW products, which is the most important aspect of miniature wargaming.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
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2015/10/11 21:48:20
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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Chinese recasters don't give you fancy cover? :(
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2015/10/11 21:50:10
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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DalinCriid wrote:And when you click "Read More" you realise you missed this:
this one comes with an assault cannon, a heavy flamer, a Typhoon missile launcher, a multi-melta and a heavy bolter. Also included is a Ravenwing Upgrade Frame, meaning this kit contains literally hundreds of components.
The tactical marine box comes with hundreds of components, because they split the limbs up into so many pieces...
And I really cannot see how a unit of bikers and a landspeeder constitutes a battleforce. Maybe if this were an unbound skirmish game with some balance...
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2015/10/11 22:04:24
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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The tactical marine box comes with hundreds of components, because they split the limbs up into so many pieces...
In what I see nothing wrong. I still use the pieces that left from my tac squad and I use heads and parts for my conversions.... However I was talking about upgrades here from which saves you ~15 paunds.
And I really cannot see how a unit of bikers and a landspeeder constitutes a battleforce. Maybe if this were an unbound skirmish game with some balance...
Well that's just GW being misguiged. Ofcourse they didnt mean a full ~2000 DA battleforce. But I admit, removing 3 bikes and giving us this sounds like cash grab  Anyway, you can always prowl for discounts or like I said China
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2015/10/11 22:18:30
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Nah, I'm off into the land of 6mm. Large armies have always been a thing for me, and 40k no longer works on the skirmish level, leaving me with nothing.
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2015/10/11 22:18:58
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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While this box is a little silly, aren't we supposedly getting a Tau vs. Ravenwing box in a similar manner to Dark Vengeance, so there will probably be cheaper options?
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2015/10/11 22:20:17
Subject: Re: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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DalinCriid wrote:And when you click "Read More" you realise you missed this:
this one comes with an assault cannon, a heavy flamer, a Typhoon missile launcher, a multi-melta and a heavy bolter. Also included is a Ravenwing Upgrade Frame, meaning this kit contains literally hundreds of components.
But who needs upgrades, DUH!
The original box came not only with 6 bikes, but three copies of the DA upgrade sprue. But don't let facts get in the way of being condescending!
I'm not complaining though, I just sold a NOS version of the old one for the same cost as this new one.
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2015/10/11 22:58:58
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
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I would like to mention that technically you can make a legal Battle Forged army out of this box. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Tinkrr wrote:While this box is a little silly, aren't we supposedly getting a Tau vs. Ravenwing box in a similar manner to Dark Vengeance, so there will probably be cheaper options?
I haven't heard of this, there's previews of Tau and Raven Guard put against each other but if this is true...
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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2015/10/11 23:07:30
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 CrashGordon94 wrote:I would like to mention that technically you can make a legal Battle Forged army out of this box.
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How?
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2015/10/11 23:07:47
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Yeah, there are pictures of it in the Tau rumor threads. It even has pictures of a melee between a Tau ethereal and a mustache on a helmet.
How many points would this round up to? I originally thought the battle force boxes were supposed to aim for the 500 point range.
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I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby |
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2015/10/11 23:18:39
Subject: I would say it, but I've already done it.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
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Selym wrote:How?
The minimum for a Ravenwing Strike Force is 1 HQ and 2 Fast Attack.
Build the Land Speeder as Sammael on Sableclaw and there's your HQ.
Build the Black Knights as a Black Knight Squad (not Command Squad), that's 1 Fast Attack.
The Attack Bike is the minimum for an Attack Bike Squad, there's the other.
It's a tiny and pathetic army but I though it would be worth mentioning anyway.
Savageconvoy wrote:Yeah, there are pictures of it in the Tau rumor threads. It even has pictures of a melee between a Tau ethereal and a mustache on a helmet.
Does that really confirm that it's Ravenwing though?
Savageconvoy wrote:How many points would this round up to? I originally thought the battle force boxes were supposed to aim for the 500 point range.
With the most expensive options for these kits, about 445 points if I'm not mistaken.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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Full Chapter + Kabuki Guilliman
3700 Points + Kabuki Vulkan
XIIIth Legion 8500 Points + ForgeWorld Guilliman