Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

You all have some valid points, but what I meant is that whatever you do you will spend less money by buying this, if you buy them seperate... And If I am aiming for a fast move and hit army list I will definately consider this.

I sell turds for 100€ each. If you buy three at a time, they'll cost you only 250€. It's an amazing discount. I'm really really generous, you should applause and love me dearly.

So, what's the problem here? Noone forces you to buy it. Play with what you've got or buy some stuff online. Get a bunch of tacticals and run across the board on foot.

 koooaei wrote:
So, what's the problem here? Noone forces you to buy it. Play with what you've got or buy some stuff online. Get a bunch of tacticals and run across the board on foot.

The fact a day before the box had more models for the same price, maybe.

Noir wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
So, what's the problem here? Noone forces you to buy it. Play with what you've got or buy some stuff online. Get a bunch of tacticals and run across the board on foot.

The fact a day before the box had more models for the same price, maybe.

Wouldn't have bought it the day before either.

 koooaei wrote:

Noir wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
So, what's the problem here? Noone forces you to buy it. Play with what you've got or buy some stuff online. Get a bunch of tacticals and run across the board on foot.

The fact a day before the box had more models for the same price, maybe.

Wouldn't have bought it the day before either.

I wouldn't either, but you asked why. Not if people wanted it.

To be honest, i'm waiting till GW sigmarifies 40k. This way, we'll finally get together and write our own rules that are better like the 9-th age guyz did. And also, the market would get flooded with cheapo minis from people who simply give up on 40k.

In the annual report they talked about introducing a series of lower-price point items for sale. Maybe this is their way of doing that, removing model content so it appears to be better value for money?

 CrashGordon94 wrote:

 Tinkrr wrote:
While this box is a little silly, aren't we supposedly getting a Tau vs. Ravenwing box in a similar manner to Dark Vengeance, so there will probably be cheaper options?

I haven't heard of this, there's previews of Tau and Raven Guard put against each other but if this is true...

Ah, my bad, maybe that's what I was thinking about. Sorry, all of you Gue'la kind of look alike to me D:

 Torga_DW wrote:
In the annual report they talked about introducing a series of lower-price point items for sale. Maybe this is their way of doing that, removing model content so it appears to be better value for money?

I think by "lower price points" the mean sales pitched for under £20.

So boxes of one or two minis, realy.

The old DA battleforce was a great way of adding bikes to any marine army. 6 bikes, one attack bike, 1 (old) speeder, and 3 RW accessory sprues for IIRC $110. As the bikes were the old crappy ones, they didn’t have any of the DA stuff sculpted on them. Even not counting the RW sprues, it was a good deal. You basically got the speeder for free, and there were some bits on the RW sprue that could be used by non-DA players.

The new box is much more army specific. The bikes are not the old, universal ones, but the fancy DA ones with all the whistles and bells. Much better looking IMHO. From the description, the speeder should be the new one as well, as the old one didn’t come with a HF option, and that’s listed on the website. So while the numbers are down, the quality is up. And the price did drop a little, so it’s not the same price (at least in USD) The units are also not as good for bulking out your army. Although if you are primarily building via the DV bikes, these guys should match better then the old ones.

$145 dollaridoos

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Someone teach me how to speak mandarin

The biker kit in the new battleforce are Black Knights (more £), updated speeder, etc. More nuaunce.

And this is why I turned to Warlords games, despite my clubs manager not liking the tanks.
GW's prices are an utter joke, and at £12 per model when the models themselves are at best mediocre compared to what is out there.... Forget it. I am not being robbed by that blasted company for anyones sake.

 Selym wrote:

 Torga_DW wrote:
In the annual report they talked about introducing a series of lower-price point items for sale. Maybe this is their way of doing that, removing model content so it appears to be better value for money?

I think by "lower price points" the mean sales pitched for under £20.

So boxes of one or two minis, realy.

Maybe, but this is gw we're talking about.

 Selym wrote:
"I'm out, I'm done!"

This item is hardly news to most of you, but I think I've hit my hard cap on this bullgak.

Shameless recruitment: Anyone wanna move to Epic? Its the same size game, but with smaller minis.

This is why I buy my warhammer stuff exclusively from ebay

I have 6 of the old RW battle force boxes two of the new ones. The old ones were a good value, which is why I bought 3 more when they discontinued them. But the new ones are about the same value.

The thing is you aren't just getting 3 less bikes for the same price. The old battle force came with very bare bones bikes. Outside the RW upgrade sprue. These bikes are RWBK/RWCS, have many more bits and options, and you also get a few more options for the LS. The newer LS is also better to build IMHO.

Yes you get 3 less basic bodies, but you get more options and such. Basically, you are still getting about the same amount of plastic.

The downside is, you can't use this to spam generic SM bikes. But as I have always played DA, and got 6 of the old kits, these are better for me, so meh.

 pwntallica wrote:
I have 6 of the old RW battle force boxes two of the new ones. The old ones were a good value, which is why I bought 3 more when they discontinued them. But the new ones are about the same value.

The thing is you aren't just getting 3 less bikes for the same price. The old battle force came with very bare bones bikes. Outside the RW upgrade sprue. These bikes are RWBK/RWCS, have many more bits and options, and you also get a few more options for the LS. The newer LS is also better to build IMHO.

Yes you get 3 less basic bodies, but you get more options and such. Basically, you are still getting about the same amount of plastic.

The downside is, you can't use this to spam generic SM bikes. But as I have always played DA, and got 6 of the old kits, these are better for me, so meh.

So what you're saying is that the new kit is great, if you already have a bunch of the old kit. Good to know

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
I have 6 of the old RW battle force boxes two of the new ones. The old ones were a good value, which is why I bought 3 more when they discontinued them. But the new ones are about the same value.

The thing is you aren't just getting 3 less bikes for the same price. The old battle force came with very bare bones bikes. Outside the RW upgrade sprue. These bikes are RWBK/RWCS, have many more bits and options, and you also get a few more options for the LS. The newer LS is also better to build IMHO.

Yes you get 3 less basic bodies, but you get more options and such. Basically, you are still getting about the same amount of plastic.

The downside is, you can't use this to spam generic SM bikes. But as I have always played DA, and got 6 of the old kits, these are better for me, so meh.

So what you're saying is that the new kit is great, if you already have a bunch of the old kit. Good to know

At least they're not pretending to be able to attract new customers. Even a couple of years ago, it was nearly impossible to justify these costs to a new player. Now I have to hide the prices of the stuff I have.

It's becoming much easier to continue/start a 40K army with never buying new from GW. Like others brought up: Ebay, Craigslist and certain other Chinese companies are out there.

Speak to GW with your wallet. Simply don't buy the new kits.

I've been using Element Games for whenever I can't rely on eBay, which gives a 10% discount (excluding postage).

^I'd also recommend Gifts For Geeks. Same discount, different (generally better) selection.

Of course, both are these sites only work for us Brits!

It's alright, it's just Dark Angels so you were probably getting ripped off no matter how many models were in the box.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
I have 6 of the old RW battle force boxes two of the new ones. The old ones were a good value, which is why I bought 3 more when they discontinued them. But the new ones are about the same value.

The thing is you aren't just getting 3 less bikes for the same price. The old battle force came with very bare bones bikes. Outside the RW upgrade sprue. These bikes are RWBK/RWCS, have many more bits and options, and you also get a few more options for the LS. The newer LS is also better to build IMHO.

Yes you get 3 less basic bodies, but you get more options and such. Basically, you are still getting about the same amount of plastic.

The downside is, you can't use this to spam generic SM bikes. But as I have always played DA, and got 6 of the old kits, these are better for me, so meh.

So what you're saying is that the new kit is great, if you already have a bunch of the old kit. Good to know

No, I'm saying the new kit has comparable value. It's about the same amount of plastic/parts. Just the old kit could be used by any space marine player to cheaply build up their bikes because they were generic bikes + RW upgrade rather than the RW command/black knight kit.

If you are doing it per model I could see how 3 less models at same price would seem bad. It's really less six bare bones bikes then + RW kit, which has more parts and options.

This isn't to say that I agree with the price in general. It was more to adress the new vs old battleforce for value.

 Selym wrote:
"I'm out, I'm done!"

This item is hardly news to most of you, but I think I've hit my hard cap on this bullgak.

Shameless recruitment: Anyone wanna move to Epic? Its the same size game, but with smaller minis.

Happy to say I was able to score one of the originals a while back. Go GW! Remove 3 bikes and keep the price the same. Smh...

On the plus side my friends and I never stopped playing Epic 40k and I still have large Ork, Space Wolf and Chaos armies supported by plenty of titan and gargant goodness.

 Selym wrote:
Nah, I'm off into the land of 6mm. Large armies have always been a thing for me, and 40k no longer works on the skirmish level, leaving me with nothing.

GW has always straddled the line on pricing. There are many sets that sell everything together for the price of whatever it would be to buy the models individually - offering no savings for making that kind of purchase. This is nothing new.

As for 40k no longer working as a skirmish game, I beg to differ and find it significantly better as a skirmish game! To each their own though.