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Long time lurker/Swap Shop enthusiast here. Normally I follow rumors/leaks without ever putting word in let alone feeding information to the public. Well, over the weekend at the FLGS I spoke with a fellow player who is adamant that 'change' is on the way; and no, that quoted word is not hinting at Tzeentch. He's very confident in his source and let me in on the timeline from now til January. As usual take with your prescribed amount of salt as I relay the supposed information I gathered.

Given the expansive release of the Tau Empire they're likely going to stretch into November as well. December shouldn't really see any releases aside from the odd paint set or bundle deals per usual. Once we hit January we're looking at Slaanesh and, unsurprisingly, the Keeper of Secrets kit release along with the Daemonkin Codex. It was not mentioned if any other models would be released alongside it. He hinted that a character KoS would also be included, but whether that's further along the line as they did with Skarbrand or not, I'm not sure.

On top of all this...? The generic Chaos Space Marine Codex WILL NOT be updated and essentially is being split off into the 4 Daemonkin Codexes. I kinda have a hard time believing this bit, but maybe it isn't so far-fetched as it sounds? Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh players supposedly will be pleased as Typhus, Ahriman and Lucius will be included in their Daemonkin Codexes.

Not quite sure what to think of it as GW has been a little radical lately and wouldn't quite put anything seemingly far-fetched past them anymore. Apologies if this has been relayed before, but I follow Chaos Rumors like a Cultist and I don't recall anything other than Tzeentch Daemonkin being predicted after Tau, which obviously conflicts with this. We'll see.

Thanks!

Super Salty. I seriously doubt we will see Slaanesh before nurgle

I dont believe a single word of the rumors.
Just the notion that december will have no releases is strange in this day and age.
All the rumors is at odds with what should be expected: named characters in the daemon kin books, named charachter for the KOS box -preposterous!
And Khorne daemonkin was just a quick patchwork to ride on the new bloodthirster release, so I doubt its part of a plan to replace CSM with Daemonkin.

Any calls for Daemonkin are pure wishlist speculation. Why? Because it's a good idea, so it won't ever happen.

But let's not forget huge chunks of the book were missing, and honestly, any benefit to marking everything tzeentch is unimpressive. 6+ invulnerable cultists for the win!

Where would the havocs and Obliterators go?


Not to mention, the whole Daemonkin thing works for Mortal followers who worship Bloodthirsters to start a Daemon incursion. Would Tzeentch worshippers even KNOW about a Lord of changes plans and grand schemes?

A nurgle warband might work, since their followers actually enjoy the walking disease piles, but what other than another Tally system can they really gain?

While I would love to see some plague zombie cult or daemonette psycho orchestra (but not tzeentch, I hate him), it seems pretty clear to me that Daemonkin was a one time thing.

I won't say other Daemonkin books will never happen, but not in lieu of a CSM main book. It's POSSIBLE that there will be a Chaos Legions book, then various Daemonkin books to form Warbands that follow a set god. Both CSM and Daemons are still 6th Edition so it's not blocked off yet. But possible isn't likely.

Just the fact that Kharn isn't in Khornekin means CSM won't go anywhere.

Kharn doesn't get along with daemons that well, so I'm not really surprised he's been left out of the daemonkin book.

I'm not surprised either, it makes sense to leave him out, but if CSM goes the path of Sisters of Battle or Inquisition, then Kharn is pretty much homeless and out of place. Which is reason why this rumor (not sure if it can be called that with just one hearsay source) is unlikely. Kharn is a beloved character they are actively writing fluff for.

I'm going to take this with far more than the prescribed dose of salt, but thanks for relaying it anyway

The sole and only purpose of Khorne Daemonkin was to sell the new Bloodthirster kit to 40k players.

People need to accept that before coming up with more "daemonkin rumors".

When you see pics of a new Lord of Change, Keeper of Secrets or Great Unclean One, then you can believe a new Daemonkin book may follow.

Considering Slaanesh is being squatted in AoS, and that for quite some time the focus has been only on Khorne and Nurgle alone, I heavily doubt we'll ever see any Tzeencht Daemonkin book of sorts.

The way I see it, only two things will happen:

1) Somehow GW decides to actually capitalize on the inmense potential Chaos has in the 40k setting, releasing three different codeci à la Adeptus Mechanicus. Lost and Damned (your average warband of renegade marines), Chaos Legions (focus on the traditional traitor legions) and Chaos Daemons. Expect a gakload of overpowered formations allowing players to combine two or the three in a single warband. This could be cool, but extremely unlikely to happen.

2) No more daemonkin, GW simply releases a new CSM codex with minimal points adjustments, a few new formations and perhaps two or three updated plastic kits. Way more likely.

In any case, from what they stated in their latest Financial Report, I'd expect them to merely update the few codeci that are left, then sigmarize 40k. It's been argued 40k is way more healthy than Fantasy was, and it's probably true, but sales are declining as well. At this stage I'd prepare for the worst.

 Korinov wrote:
GW ... capitalize on ... potential...

We all know GW is not in the business of capitalising on its vast potential. The way they license video games is a testament to that.

 Fayric wrote:
I dont believe a single word of the rumors.
Just the notion that december will have no releases is strange in this day and age.

GW never releases anything big in December. So it's believable. If going by what you have said, what is something major that GW released in December? What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Davor wrote:
What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Smaug.

Davor wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
I dont believe a single word of the rumors.
Just the notion that december will have no releases is strange in this day and age.

GW never releases anything big in December. So it's believable. If going by what you have said, what is something major that GW released in December? What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

First, I didnt mention nything about big realease, the rumor said december only has "ye olde paint kit" for christmas sale, and thats not been the case since GW went to weekly release.
Second, last december had big BA/tyranid campaign compleat with the Deathstorm box (preorder nov 29), new BA terminators and tacticals, BA codex, and a huge Smaug model (with desolation of smaug updated rules).

 Ghaz wrote:

Davor wrote:
What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Smaug.

All 300 copies of him. Significant? Perhaps. Major? Not especially, not in terms of new editions or codexes or anything.

Ahriman in a Tzeentch daemonkin book would be sick but if the current Chaos book sticks around, I don't expect many changes.

I could see them taking away Champion of Chaos and the boon table, which would be nice because I am sick of Ahriman turning into a Spawn or something dumb when I kill some space marine sergeant

I would find Slaanesh a pleasant surprise, because I think it's least likely.

Chaos suffered from being too many flavors in one book and with Daemonkin its alleviated but begs the question of whether GW will follow through with the other three gods. People insist Khorne Daemonkin was just to sell a Bloodthirsters kit... While I agree given its an approach GWs shown to work with Imperial Knights... It's then believable that GW would continue this by doing other daemonkin books; we still have three more greater daemons and if that's what it takes to see them all in plastic I'm fine with it. Khorne daemonkin has reinvigorated people playing something Chaos besides codex Chaos Daemons.

I think the more important question whether GW will continue to support 4 Daemonkin, a Daemon Codex, and anything else for CSM.

The rumor that CSM would become like Inquisition isn't necessarily a bad thing... First that's rather wide open to interpretation. It strikes me that by having 4 Daemonkin books in an ally heavy environment allow such a CSM book to be reduced down to the essential undivided units where a player brings in the god specific Daemonkin elements as allies. This gives it a bit of focus that opens it up to new elements being brought in with out over crowding the book.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Davor wrote:
What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Smaug.

All 300 copies of him. Significant? Perhaps. Major? Not especially, not in terms of new editions or codexes or anything.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to spin it, Smaug most definitely qualifies as a major release.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I would find Slaanesh a pleasant surprise, because I think it's least likely.

Chaos suffered from being too many flavors in one book and with Daemonkin its alleviated but begs the question of whether GW will follow through with the other three gods. People insist Khorne Daemonkin was just to sell a Bloodthirsters kit... While I agree given its an approach GWs shown to work with Imperial Knights... It's then believable that GW would continue this by doing other daemonkin books; we still have three more greater daemons and if that's what it takes to see them all in plastic I'm fine with it. Khorne daemonkin has reinvigorated people playing something Chaos besides codex Chaos Daemons.

I think the more important question whether GW will continue to support 4 Daemonkin, a Daemon Codex, and anything else for CSM.

The rumor that CSM would become like Inquisition isn't necessarily a bad thing... First that's rather wide open to interpretation. It strikes me that by having 4 Daemonkin books in an ally heavy environment allow such a CSM book to be reduced down to the essential undivided units where a player brings in the god specific Daemonkin elements as allies. This gives it a bit of focus that opens it up to new elements being brought in with out over crowding the book.

Chaos going purely Daemonkin is nothing but a pipedream. Not only would we end up throwing out half the current Chaos Marine codex, (especially all the Special Characters), but the background, up to and including the Horus Heresy itself would have to be entirely thrown out and re-written.

But then, GW has proven that they don't give a rat's fart about Chaos anymore...

I don't think anyone is saying going "purely Daemonkin"... I think the most extreme assertion here is the possibility that the next C:CSM emphasizes undivided and leaves it to players to ally in the god specific units. Even that doesn't preclude God specific units just their being downplayed; for example no more cult marine troops.

Well, I guess Slaanesh was the last to be on the daemonkin rumor train! Personally, I'm waiting to hear about the Malal deamonkin book.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Davor wrote:
What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Smaug.

All 300 copies of him. Significant? Perhaps. Major? Not especially, not in terms of new editions or codexes or anything.

Sorry, but no matter how you try to spin it, Smaug most definitely qualifies as a major release.

For multiple years, December was not a month for major 40K or Fantasy releases but instead bundle boxes, paint sets, terrain sets, and Lord of the Rings/Hobbit. A few years back there was a wave of either daemons or tyranids at the start of December and it was weird.

Trends from a few years back matter not. Back then gw didn't do weekly releases. That said I'll take these rumours with a dose of salt greater than Jenna Jameson could cope with. There's nothing flagged up anywhere else so I'm calling false. If I'm wrong I'll swallow...pride, and apologise

Davor wrote:
What did GW release last year that was a major release besides the 25 days of Christmas?

Smaug aside, 2014 releases were

December 6th was Deathstorm Campaign boxed set.
December 13th was Blood Angels Tac Marines, Sanguinary Priest & Codex Blood Angels
December 20th was Blood Angels Assault Terminators, Blood Angels Terminator Librarian & Deathstorm Exterminatus Campaign book


A solid amount of stuff.

 Brometheus wrote:
Ahriman in a Tzeentch daemonkin book would be sick but if the current Chaos book sticks around, I don't expect many changes.

I could see them taking away Champion of Chaos and the boon table, which would be nice because I am sick of Ahriman turning into a Spawn or something dumb when I kill some space marine sergeant

I heard Kharn the betrayer was left out of the KDK book, don't own a copy but cmon HW get your act together! The only thing confirmed as of right now is that the Chaos Damon's codex can still be purchased, however the Chaos Space Marine book is now sold out. Taken with a very salty grain of saltiness, they might just make it available as an iBook but really hoping some kind of update is coming...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/mobile/search/searchResults.jsp?searchTerm=Chaos+book

Far more likely IMHO:
- release of generic CSM codex minus any Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh goodness, but with a few legion-specific characters. Codex gets a widespread "meh" reception.
- release a month later of over-priced Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh supplements (all requiring the generic CSM codex) with several OMG-broken cool builds so long as you buy GW's latest models.

The real puzzle is what to do with daemons - arguably the Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh daemons should be in the above supplements, but then that makes it messy to play pure Daemon armies. Maybe the supplements will require the generic CSM codex AND the Daemons codex )

We didnt get Kharn in KDK why would we get Ahriman Lucius and Typhus in their respective dexs? That doesnt really make sense.

And besides, why the heck would Lucius, be leading any faction of Daemons by his side when he traverses the galaxy solo dueling dying and making his opponent explode from the inside out just to be reborn.

Typhus dies to ID str 10 Nobs with PKs so hes not going to do jack crap for Nurgle,

Ahriman at least has potential, but lore wise he's a renegade to his own bloody legion only "ACCEPTED" as a chaos follower, but no one wants anything to do with him from his own Conclave.

Too much salt for this >.< and I got no lime to try and enjoy what might be.

 GoliothOnline wrote:
We didnt get Kharn in KDK why would we get Ahriman Lucius and Typhus in their respective dexs?

Khorne Daemonkin was supposed to represent a daemonic chaos warband. Kharn is a high up of the World Eaters, not of some lowly skirmish, rag tag group of heretics and random dudes. He has no place in that Codex.

 GoliothOnline wrote:
Typhus dies to ID str 10 Nobs with PKs so hes not going to do jack crap for Nurgle,

Nobs don't have S10 with their power klaws.

I'm hoping for cool chaos stuff, but honestly I don't feel that it will happen anytime soon (prove me wrong GW).

Edit: spelling.

@Bonesnapper

Well, if GW is really done releasing anything full Chaos, forge world can have all my money lol. At this rate, forge word models are awesome, the rules are finally legal, AND Chaos is semi competitive thanks to its allowance. Either way, the only army I'm staying with is Chaos. Did the same thing waiting for a better codex than the 3rd edition Daemon bomb, and as long as it takes for GW To release a new codex I'll slowly be drifting into Forge World. It really would be nice if Chaos could mix all four gods and still be competitive again, I would love to mix thousand sons and berserkers back into my army. Cool models, crap points and rules (berserkers need point reduction/rending thousand sons needs something for how many points you pay for a Lvl 1 psyker. (I usually just take horrors but I want to run thousand sons SO BADLY!)