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Hard to tell from the bike cam due to the side it's mounted on, looks like the car was swerving into the other lane before the bike was there, impact of the bike might be on the rear of the vehicle and not the side. Pretty close to tell from the poor video quality. If the impact is on the rear then regardless of intentions the bike rider will be found to be at fault most likely.

Car driver is a stone colled arsehole, bike rider is feking stoopid. The suv may have been going slow but the white car was going 30-40, minimum. one lane country road with no passing in the area most likely the speed limit is around that. Trying to pass in a no pass area is dumb, trying to pass two cars in one go is dumber, doing it with someone else on your bike means your either slowed or don't care about that person. Car driver seems worse still...

I've had drivers (typically on a cell phone) drift into my lane as I am passing them on my bike, but never had someone intentionally do it (thank goodness). One lady came more than halfway into my lane (I was on her passenger side and there was no shoulder for me to go to if I needed). I can't believe she didn't hear my pipes. I think she almost gak herself when she realized how far she had drifted over.


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 Alex C wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wasnt southpark more about the noise they make

Mostly. Noisy, egotistic, arrogant donkey-caves who can't understand why people hate them.

Loud pipes save lives. And frankly I don't give a gak about folks like you who hate folks like me.

Oh, it's a safety feature

I'll remember that next time I'm trying to enjoy a drink and a book on my porch and 20-odd douchbags (sans helmets and leather, y'know, ACTUAL safety gear) come blazing through my subdivision sounding like their engines are about to explode

In no way is deliberately loud bikes a safety feature. If you want people to notice you, get a horn or fly a little flag like they put on kids bikes, because just being louder is not going to do anything, especially at 65 with the windows up and the radio on.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
In no way is deliberately loud bikes a safety feature. If you want people to notice you, get a horn or fly a little flag like they put on kids bikes, because just being louder is not going to do anything, especially at 65 with the windows up and the radio on.

My first thought on this subject

 Breotan wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

They're supposed to but frequently disregard doing it.

Not entirely true. Bicycles are supposed to use a properly marked bike lane, bike path or the like. If none is available, then they are allowed/supposed to use the sidewalk, unless legal signage specifically forbids it. Further, a bicyclist is supposed to ride in the SAME direction of travel as auto traffic because of those times where a cyclist must become a part of vehicular traffic. In many places, there are traffic provisions that state motorized vehicles MUST afford cyclists the same courtesy as other motorized vehicles (but never do).

Of course loud pipes aren't a safety feature. But they definitely work. I have people notice me cause of them. Of course not all do. Actually most don't. But for damn sure pipes help.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

They're supposed to but frequently disregard doing it.

Not entirely true. Bicycles are supposed to use a properly marked bike lane, bike path or the like. If none is available, then they are allowed/supposed to use the sidewalk, unless legal signage specifically forbids it. Further, a bicyclist is supposed to ride in the SAME direction of travel as auto traffic because of those times where a cyclist must become a part of vehicular traffic. In many places, there are traffic provisions that state motorized vehicles MUST afford cyclists the same courtesy as other motorized vehicles (but never do).

Well, maybe if they followed the same rules as cars, we would.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Aren't bicycles supposed to use roads and not sidewalks?

They're supposed to but frequently disregard doing it.

Not entirely true. Bicycles are supposed to use a properly marked bike lane, bike path or the like. If none is available, then they are allowed/supposed to use the sidewalk, unless legal signage specifically forbids it. Further, a bicyclist is supposed to ride in the SAME direction of travel as auto traffic because of those times where a cyclist must become a part of vehicular traffic. In many places, there are traffic provisions that state motorized vehicles MUST afford cyclists the same courtesy as other motorized vehicles (but never do).

Well, maybe if they followed the same rules as cars, we would.

No. You wouldn't. As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time on a bike in and around traffic, I will tell you flat out that people are completely ignorant of how they're supposed to treat cyclists, nor do they particularly care. Yes, plenty of cyclists are also ignorant of what they are supposed to be doing (or they aren't ignorant and willfully behave wrongly). It doesn't change that it is the car/truck driver who is usually the one initiating a bad interaction.

In my experiences it is the cyclist thinking its a car without all the rules of one. Like the recejt one that nearly hit me when it was running a stopsign and I was crossing ghe roads. Cyclists are nuisances to the roadway

I'm agreeing with hotsauce. I see cyclists on the road with cars but ignoring all the laws constantly. They are always pissing me off.

I get pissed off by renegade cyclists partly for safety but also ebcause because they give car drivers who have a chip on their shoulder a supposedly legitimate excuse to treat everyone badly.

You see cyclists obeying the laws too, and you see cars disobeying road laws.

An interesting trend I've noticed, and I'm curious if others have experienced it: I tend to see people riding Harleys (and similar) obeying the traffic laws more, while those who ride the sporty crotch rockets break the traffic laws more.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
An interesting trend I've noticed, and I'm curious if others have experienced it: I tend to see people riding Harleys (and similar) obeying the traffic laws more, while those who ride the sporty crotch rockets break the traffic laws more.

Often that is an age/maturity thing. The rice burners tend to attract the 18-25 testosterone laden males with something to prove and not a lot of experience based common sense. Those guys, in a sports car, on a bike, or whatever are going to take more risks which translates often to break more laws. The Harley crowd tends to be a little bit older and more settled.

Obviously that is NOT true for all sport bike riders, and there are clearly cruiser riders who are dicks too.

I've noticed bikes because of their noise before seeing them many times so the annoying noise is a safety feature of sorts. The biggest danger bikes face from me is that I won't know they're there. Loud noises helps. Once I see them I'll give them plenty of space and be alert for when they pass so I don't change lanes into them. Very easy to not see them though and swerve into them unknowingly.

Looks like the police don't believe his wasp story either. He has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Good for the Police, as someone who has been riding for 15 years (yeah one of those loud Harleys) this guy should get the book thrown at him.

Excellent!

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:
Looks like the police don't believe his wasp story either. He has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Good for the Police, as someone who has been riding for 15 years (yeah one of those loud Harleys) this guy should get the book thrown at him.

Much more realistic and easier to prove vs. "Attempted Murder" - go get him!

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:
Looks like the police don't believe his wasp story either. He has been charged with two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. Good for the Police, as someone who has been riding for 15 years (yeah one of those loud Harleys) this guy should get the book thrown at him.

Good. His actions combined with his attitude as communicated on Facebook served to undermine his claims of innocence.

Excellent. I can see them actually getting a conviction out of those charges which the guy deserves.

I hope the prosecution plays that "I don't care" bit over and over to the jury.

Once will be enough.

And once again in closing arguments, if it gets that far.

Smart money for the dude is to take a plea bargain down if he can. He'll get hammered in court. Attempted murder I'd take to court because I could probably convince someone that I didn't mean to kill them. Assault with a deadly weapon on the other hand it'd be nearly impossible to walk.

As long as a plea keeps a felony in place, I can live with it.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
While I don't think he should have been hit he also shouldn't have been passing over a double yellow. A car, swerving to avoid something in the road, isn't going to look behind them and to the left on a two lane road with a double yellow.

As for passing because people were 20mph below the speed limit considering there are 3 cars in the shot and they appear to be going the same speed that still isn't an excuse to pass illegally as it's unsafe for everyone.

Dude that was stupid and swerved to hit him should be prosecuted and the dude driving the bike should be also be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law too.

I come from a family of bikers, but what he said. Don't be a dumbass and cross in the no crossing section and try to pass multiple cars while doing it.

Be stupid, get stupid results.

What Fraz said. I'm glad the biker is alive, but he's an idiot. Honestly, a little road rash should be a good wakeup call for him not to break traffic laws like this.

As far as who breaks laws more I've seen it as pretty even. I fully admit I speed. My bike is far from stock. I've done 105 in just first gear. So it's very easy too. But hell I see harley guys breaking laws at least as often.

Managed to get more info yesterday and hear what his comments were. I didn't see an update so as of yesterday:

Captain DipXXit has been arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault. His attempt to say it was a wasp bite is mitigated by the initial statements of "I don't care" repeatedly, and his later statements to CBS changing his story to a spider. Both are admissible and a first year law student could tear this guy a new one.

He is now in the fine care of the local constabulary with IIRC a bond of $150,000 which he does not appear to be able to make arrangements for.

When a jury gets this, he's toast.

EDIT: I was previously ninja'd.

 Frazzled wrote:
Managed to get more info yesterday and hear what his comments were. I didn't see an update so as of yesterday:

Captain DipXXit has been arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault. His attempt to say it was a wasp bite is mitigated by the initial statements of "I don't care" repeatedly, and his later statements to CBS changing his story to a spider. Both are admissible and a first year law student could tear this guy a new one.

He is now in the fine care of the local constabulary with IIRC a bond of $150,000 which he does not appear to be able to make arrangements for.

When a jury gets this, he's toast.

Do you think a jury will get it, or do you think the prosecutors offer a plea?

You really need to get rid of plea bargains America.

yellowfever wrote:
Na he did it intentionally. I've been riding almost 20 years. I can't count how many times people have tried to block when I split lanes in California.

maybe you shouldn't split lanes.


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 agnosto wrote:

yellowfever wrote:
Na he did it intentionally. I've been riding almost 20 years. I can't count how many times people have tried to block when I split lanes in California.

And it's legal there....

Legal can still be mind numbingly stupid.


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 CptJake wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Managed to get more info yesterday and hear what his comments were. I didn't see an update so as of yesterday:

Captain DipXXit has been arrested and charged with two counts of aggravated assault. His attempt to say it was a wasp bite is mitigated by the initial statements of "I don't care" repeatedly, and his later statements to CBS changing his story to a spider. Both are admissible and a first year law student could tear this guy a new one.

He is now in the fine care of the local constabulary with IIRC a bond of $150,000 which he does not appear to be able to make arrangements for.

When a jury gets this, he's toast.

Do you think a jury will get it, or do you think the prosecutors offer a plea?

Its a home run. I imagine as policy they'll plead, but if I had the power as prosecutor, I'd take this to trial. It would be awesome TV time for my later run for higher office.


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 welshhoppo wrote:
You really need to get rid of plea bargains America.

you first.