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I'm actually planning to play the next difficulty up from normal which i'm guessing is hard. I think empire would be the easiest faction to do with it. Gotta butter up the other empire sub-factions and possible allies though with plenty of money gifts. Odd how at times that's infinitely more useful than saving their skin in a fight or having similar friends and enemies. Too bad they got rid of the marrying in of family members. Can't say i'm entirely bummed armies going rogue went away if a general got too powerful.

Also i'm pretty interested in the new beastmen army. I wanted to play them on the tabletop but they kinda sucked at the time and what made them flavorful was sucked out of the game. In this just about everything beastmen have can vanguard, their army ambushes on the move as their base movement (sounds super OP), they have hordes but no infighting (mixed feelings here) and they have 'beast paths' which are basically the 'underway' under another name. Only times they seem normally visible is with 'raiding' stance which doesn't sound like a huge thing unless you're taking attrition which it sounded like they may or may not do sometimes (vampires and not sure when else).

Sounds like we are going to need more crossbows...

After my fiancee had completed her Dwarf campagin I decide I had to give it a spin as the Vampire counts while using the Radious mods. And I have to say they made the game decent enough, the sheer amount of new units they added made the game much more enjoebal.
The hardest part about the campagin was to deal with the sheer amount of enemies one makes after the first 20ish turns. That and keeping enough armies and civil order to be Abel to keep pushing back the Empire, Dwarfs, Greenskins and warriors of Chaos. Also Achron is a total pushover

If Malagor the Dark Omen starts right below the Greenskins starting zone, I hope they do some rebalancing in that area. 4 Orc , 2 Savage Orc , 3 Dwarf, and now another most likely hostile faction, it might be tough for starting Greenskin players.

On Hard difficulty I get the Grudgebearer coming at me with a full stack of pretty seasoned troops fairly early. He's always the persistent threat, while Barak Zarr and the other Orc factions also get uppity at the worse times for me. One more faction might tip the scales into frustrating. Maybe give the starting Greenskin Lords bigger armies, or more money right off the bat could go some way to help out. We'll see in a few days though.

Pretty excited, I've been putting off rebasing my massive Beastmen army but this might be the catalyst I need to get them on rounds to play in AoS, instead of my Fyreslayers.

Can't wait to hear what they sound like as well. I very much enjoy the dialogue in this game. "This magic... is REAL!!" from my Night Gobbo Shaman makes me smile every time. The little guy try's so hard to sound scary.

So, I've been playing all day as the Beastmen.

Its great fun, the horde mechanics are much more forgiving than Chaos Warriors, which are harsh as feth. And just plain unfun, imo.

The mostly automatic ambush attacks are not as OP as I thought they'd be, although I don't have a full stack top tier army at the moment. That may change once I have more heavy hitter units in there. Speaking of heavy hitters... Ghorgon and jabberslythe aren't on the roster. Thats a bummer, but its still a fairly big unit roster available. I thought for sure the Ghorgon would be in, as he's essentially the same frame as the Cygor. Jabber's just get a mention in events, but i figured they wouldn't make the cut in game, as they are a fairly unique unit.

My gameplay style has been to immediately beat feet up to Varg/Skaeling territory and destroy them, as I find that when I play a southern based faction, they tend to raze a good portion of the Empire before they can unify to be a serious threat. I want that challenge! So the marauders have got to go, asap. Took them out and had 3 mostly full armies ready to pour into Kislev, but decided that I want most of their cities to be a bulwark for the incoming Chaos Warrior invasion(Disclaimer: I use the "chaos please wait" mod) I'll do some quest missions and when they show up I'll declare war on them as well, as I have the same problem with them as I do with the Norscan factions. Too aggressive and raze everything before I can, which I won't tolerate! Puny civilizations are mine to destroy!

Enjoying this expac immensely, although I don't feel the price tag was warranted. But I'm a Warhammer fanboy, Beastmen fanboy and Total War fanboy, so this was an auto buy. This weekend I'll give the Eye for an Eye campaign a shot and see how much production was put into that to further gauge my feelings on the price.

CA did explain why they picked the Cygor- basically its easier to motion capture than the Ghorgon, because you have 4 limbs to play with instead of 6. They might come back to it at some point though. God knows how they'd do the Jabberslythe.

I've found the beastmen to be as bad as the dwarves and am disappointed. I'm talking purely multiplayer here. They are pushovers.

Cool campaign faction terrible for multiplayer.

I will be buying the Beastmen DLC because I will get all the factions because its Total War and because its Warhammer.

However the price is so high that I will wait to batch it with other content. I may be Creative Assemblies bitch with regards to this game, but I am no paying £15 for a faction when I can buy batched content later

 Orlanth wrote:
I will be buying the Beastmen DLC because I will get all the factions because its Total War and because its Warhammer.

However the price is so high that I will wait to batch it with other content. I may be Creative Assemblies bitch with regards to this game, but I am no paying £15 for a faction when I can buy batched content later

Perhaps i'm a sucker but beastmen aren't even a faction i massively want and i'll get them when i can throw down the cash. After GW killed Fantasy it's my only outlet. I just wish skaven got an update before they killed the game and maybe let total war warhammer have that. Some factions feel very much more powerful and diverse (empire and vampires vs bretonnia).

Bretonnia is not released yet, you only have a bare bones faction, expect more soon.

Well Bretonnia do not have many more units to pick from in their lore, do they?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Well Bretonnia do not have many more units to pick from in their lore, do they?

The best they can have is the Fay Enchantress for the other Legendary Lord (or maybe the Green Knight), Questing Knights, Grail Pilgrims and Knights Errant if IRRC. I think they'd do wood elves first rather than Bretonnia.

Just had the look at the wiki.

Current for Brets there's...

Damsel
Paladin
Louen Leoncour
Brettonian Lord

Men At Arms (Polearm)
Men At Arms (Spearmen with shield
Peasant Bowmen

Knights of the realm
Grail Knights
Mounted Yeoman
Mounted Yeoman archers
Pegasus Knights
Trebuchet


So yeah... Brets might be a case of the downside of GW basically ignoring them for going on 2 decades now.

However, units could include.


Knights Errant (Impulsive, cheaper, less armoured/experienced knights)
Questing Knights (In between KOTR and Grail Knights)
Grail Reliquary carried by pilgrims

Men at Arms with Shields and halberds
Could have Squires in addition to yeomanry. - Perhaps just weaker incarnations.

There were a whole heap of other special characters

Bertrand's The Brigand and the Bowmen of Bergerac (Robin Hood-esque sharpshooting archers)
Repanse De Lyonesse (Joan of Arc)
Tristan The Troubadour and Jules the Juggler
Morgana Le Fey Enchantress
The Green Knight

And more that never had models made.

Add peasant crossbowmen and foot knights to that and Brets become well rounded. I am in hope that they add these two units because they have already added units not in the 8ed army books in the game. Both units are logical and lore friendly and would fill a capability gap in the faction without being overpowered.

The other main difference is that Brets currently have one Lore. It is interesting that Lore of Beasts is out now. If Wood Elves are the next major DLC we will be set for the FLC full release of Bretonnia with all its lores.

I dont know about this, total war seems like a sink hole of money game 120$ chaos 30$ beastmen 30$ blood 15$

200$ computer game with less graphics and less content then warhammer march of chaos I think it was called where you could customize your units build armies points ect play skaven change factions and had a story mode. For 60$

Dwarf aircavalry armies are utterly hilarious.

Mark of Chaos was a rather underappreciated game. For all its flaws--and it had several--it was still fun. I doubt it'll run on W8 or even be supported by my graphics card, else I'd dig my copy out.

OgreChubbs wrote:
I dont know about this, total war seems like a sink hole of money game 120$ chaos 30$ beastmen 30$ blood 15$

200$ computer game with less graphics and less content then warhammer march of chaos I think it was called where you could customize your units build armies points ect play skaven change factions and had a story mode. For 60$

See why I mostly left the video game world? They are getting worse every launch with this. I only play a few game a year now and mostly singleplayer games. The video game industry is in dark times. Copy paste games with milking dlc. Then they shut the servers down 2 years later and all your stuff you bought means nothing. This is "reasonable" for most modern companies. You should see the new trends they are putting in future releases to really milk every dollar form people for nothing.

A single video game can cost you way more than any 40k model these days.

I dont where those numbers came from but they're all wrong

Yeah they are a little high even for high canadian standards. Regardless if you want all the content the game has to offer there will likely be 10 paid dlc for sure and likely much more at the price of whatever beastmen and chaos are at. Then add in the two expansions. You used to just get all of this in a Total War game on launch, but not now. The video game industry is insane and there is a corruption that runs far deeper than in GW at the moment. Look at Konami's treatment of its workers, it's ip, it's utter open contempt for its fans, and how it treated Kojima. They were even booed on live stream and national television.

 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah they are a little high even for high canadian standards. Regardless if you want all the content the game has to offer there will likely be 10 paid dlc for sure and likely much more at the price of whatever beastmen and chaos are at. Then add in the two expansions. You used to just get all of this in a Total War game on launch, but not now. The video game industry is insane and there is a corruption that runs far deeper than in GW at the moment. Look at Konami's treatment of its workers, it's ip, it's utter open contempt for its fans, and how it treated Kojima. They were even booed on live stream and national television.

I'd imagine the work difference in creating Greeks, Romans, Barbarians and Persians with Elephants is significantly lower than creating Chaos, Empire, Dwarfs, Orks and the unique Machines & Monsters between all factions. I'd rather Chaos (and Brettonians) be available at the start but I wouldn't have expected them to have every faction they have planned in the game at launch.

If only they'd make every faction with their own map area for those who live beyond the Old World.

Nah even before that in older games there were waaay more factions on launch. Tons tons tons. Shogun 2 is where it started getting stupid with basically just re skinned armies for 10 dollars and a minor fiddling of stats.

It's only gotten worse and will get worse until gamers have had enough. It really is a slippery slope in the video game industry. Witcher 3 puts all of these games to shame with its content on offer and getting it all at once. Then having free DLC and then the two very large expansions (which needed to be bought) like the old days.

Hence I come to GW and spend my money here now and on books and rpg's. Anything but games.

The Valve fiasco with paid mods was the last straw for me. I know it didn't pan out, but they will try again. Next time they will be much sneakier and insidious about it and take away your free mods by inches at a time until they have taken everything.

In some of their newer games they have optional paid mods. They are trying.

The video game industry is like the one ring now. It is always seeking to cut up games and parcel them out smaller and smaller and for more and more. It does not serve creativity or gamers (barring the occasional odd ball developer or game). I hate gamer loyalty these days. It's stupid.

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Your falling into the same trap many people do. They try and defend and justify the companies greed, and when you give them an inch they will not thank you for it just ask for more inches (until you've given them all your land) and suck out your money and leave you a dried misanthropic husk. The game companies need to be held to a lot higher standards than they get away with.

Video game companies coming for you. I feel old. Has it really been since 2006 I've been railing against dlc? Hahah. It's only gotten worse since that first horse armor dlc.

Uh huh, and I still believe more work was put into making the Warhammer Total War factions than any older game in the series, since the differences between the factions and the quality of the models is greater than the older games so it'd take much more time, money and people to create them.

Also, no, this isn't worse than horse armour. CA even released the Blood Knights for free, though a person raging against the machine such as yourself would never even consider that in any way but with the most manipulative and deceitful intentions, right?

I gotta agree, they put WAY more time and effort into factions for TWW than any other TW game. Is the DLC priced well? Eh, not especially, but it's far from horse armor/mobile gaming prices.

Lots of factions also does not mean lots of effort, TW warhammer also lots of factions, but you can only plat some of them The expansions are rumored to bring 3-4 factions each, almost as many as there was to begin with, seems reasonable, like the starcraft expansions bringing about as many missions as the original. We're also given the beastmen as an enemy on the grand campaign for free

There were lots of factions in the past because everyone used the same skeleton.

Now every race has many different ones, and that is very work intensive.

As I said Sega/CA is slightly more reasonable. I still don't like how little content there was on offer day one and how it was obviously cut out to sell into chunks. Look at the Chaos faction. Ready to play day one and cut out. Why? Because they can.They know you'll just guzzle that gak up.

Look at the Witcher 3. It was only a sixty dollar game and it blew all of this away. Then had free dlc other companies would charge for. They had to make way more models and rigging and the HD textures were way more work intensive as well as the voice acting and facial animations. We as consumers are getting screwed big time. The big 30 dollar Witcher 3 expansion has more content than Rome 2 and its entire range of dlc.

Companies love reasonable loyal dumb people like you folks. Yes I am calling you stupid to your faces. It's people like yourselves who I have been trying to convince for the past ten years that this gak is getting out of hand. Now it's practically mandatory for dlc and gambling crates to be regular in games.

Even Overwatch couldn't escape and has crates you can pay for a random loot role. Need to grind to get what skins you want. It affects game design. I remember before the advent of random packs you had actual progression systems in games to unlock what you wanted and they rarely needed a lot of work to unlock stuff. Now companies are tempted to make things just a little harder to get each sequel to tempt people into getting crates. Speaking of Overwatch as great as it is from a competitive point it had very little content on day one. Just some vague promises of free maps and heroes. Thankfully for now they seem to be living up to that, but other companies and smaller game devs to make promises like that in the past rarely deliver.

Comparing the release of a Western RPG in the current gaming climate with a Grand Strategy game is not something I'd consider fair. Strategy games are restricted to PCs so this cuts out a large portion of potential players who don't have gaming PCs. Even the biggest names in strategy, such as Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty made 4.5 million sales compared to an, until recently, barely heard of series, The Witcher 3, selling 10 million. 4 million of those sales were made in the first 2 weeks, how can strategy games compete with that?. Rome 2 sold only 1.13 million in Europe & North America, Shogun 2 was a mere 0.6 in Europe & North America (regions specified because those are the only numbers I was given).

Just because a business model is viable to make a successful game for one developer, doesn't mean it's the same for another developer.

I don't know how much the publishers spent on making any of those games, but Warhammer Fantasy has fallen out of Games Workshop's favour and Strategy games are not as lucrative of a market. This might be the last chance to see this kind of game. If it fails, who will try again?.

Plus it's a great game that I want to see more of. If it wasn't I wouldn't buy any DLC, but I do, even if you believe that makes me stupid.

Yeah, not a great comparison. TW3 had a larger audience and is a more popular genre, while TWW is limited to PC gamers with a decent PC, and is a genre that's heavily fallen of out popularity.

I got a hundred hours in TWW, as my first TW game, and that's just playing Empire.

So, I think I've got my money's worth.