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I'm not a hardcore fan of any game enough to spend $30 now on something that I can get on a steam sale later for cheaper.
I'm a consumer, not the uncle of a game developer, I don't care how they get paid or if they they get paid or even if they make a game. There's enough out there that I'm interested in to give me plenty to play at prices I'm willing to pay. Heck, I got in on the wasteland2 and other big name kickstarters for $25 (bards tale 4!). It's not my fault CA has so much overhead that they have to charge so much to release a game when other companies do it for less.
I'm interested but not so much so that I can't wait 6-10 months for a sale and a more complete game.
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CA confirmed that they'd hired on an additional DLC team to develop the Chaos release alongside the "normal" team developing the other four races. They also confirmed that the Chaos faction was always going to be included in the vanilla game as a NPC-only enemy faction, and that the pre-order "bonus"/DLC was giving players access to that race as a playable faction. Chaos' inclusion was always obvious really, seeing how the first ever trailer for the game featured a Lord of Change. The fact that it's Chaos is why the level of backlash is so high. It is a bit of a move though, you gotta admit. If the main roster had been: Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarfs... and the "bonus" fifth race was Vampire Counts, I bet a huge chunk of the discontent would disappear.
Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek)
Anfauglir wrote: CA confirmed that they'd hired on an additional DLC team to develop the Chaos release alongside the "normal" team developing the other four races. They also confirmed that the Chaos faction was always going to be included in the vanilla game as a NPC-only enemy faction, and that the pre-order "bonus"/DLC was giving players access to that race as a playable faction. Chaos' inclusion was always obvious really, seeing how the first ever trailer for the game featured a Lord of Change. The fact that it's Chaos is why the level of backlash is so high. It is a bit of a move though, you gotta admit. If the main roster had been: Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarfs... and the "bonus" fifth race was Vampire Counts, I bet a huge chunk of the discontent would disappear.
Or people can just get over it. Many peoples favorite factions aren't even being represented yet. Mine isn't. I'm still super stoked.
Anfauglir wrote: CA confirmed that they'd hired on an additional DLC team to develop the Chaos release alongside the "normal" team developing the other four races. They also confirmed that the Chaos faction was always going to be included in the vanilla game as a NPC-only enemy faction, and that the pre-order "bonus"/DLC was giving players access to that race as a playable faction. Chaos' inclusion was always obvious really, seeing how the first ever trailer for the game featured a Lord of Change. The fact that it's Chaos is why the level of backlash is so high. It is a bit of a move though, you gotta admit. If the main roster had been: Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarfs... and the "bonus" fifth race was Vampire Counts, I bet a huge chunk of the discontent would disappear.
Or people can just get over it. Many peoples favorite factions aren't even being represented yet. Mine isn't. I'm still super stoked.
Exactly my skaven which needed a 9th edition or even 8th edition update so bad didn't get into the game. I'm still happy because vampire counts will be in and though orcs bore me their goblin counterparts are rather fun and even empire gunlines will be cool. Dwarfs though will bore me. I am super excited there will be underground battles though. Even if it's just one or two it will be exciting. Can you imagine all the potential dwarf and skaven battles with that? I'm excited just thinking about it.
djones520 wrote: Or people can just get over it. Many peoples favorite factions aren't even being represented yet. Mine isn't. I'm still super stoked.
Except no, because this is supposed to be the first of a trilogy of games. This one clearly focuses on the centre of the Old World and the factions there. The following two games are supposedly branching out into other parts of the Warhammer world, one would think with another four races apiece - but who knows what CA will do now. Therefore, it was conceivable that they were saving Chaos for a later game, and the Elves, Skaven, etc. Chaos are the most central, universal antagonist faction for the entire setting (and clearly an important part of the game's narrative), army favouritism has nothing to do with it. Putting them behind a day one DLC pay wall is a move, whether you like them or not. Trying to strong-arm your customers into pre-ordering your products - when you have a history of releasing buggy, unpolished games, no less - is not something we should be okay with as consumers. But there you go.
I maintain the stance that, while no better in principle, CA could have avoided a significant chunk of the backlash if their "bonus" faction was a less central, more niche army. Like Vampire Counts, Beastmen, Orge Kingdoms, Dogs of War, etc. Oh well.
Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek)
I'm just gonna unlock it myself, if and only if, it's already on the disc, I'm having everything I've payed for, not everything bar the chunks they decided to charge me more for.
I bought the disc, therfore I own everything on it, but obviously not the ip.
I remember before CA became Dbags about it. You could just go into Descr_strat and all you had to do was copy past the factions from "unplayable" to "playable" and boom. You could even play the rebels if you wanted (not recommended). Goodbye to that by the time Shogun II came out and they started locking the game files. Now if you want to play a faction, you have to pay them $10-$15 to do the job that used to take all of five seconds.
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LordofHats wrote: I remember before CA became Dbags about it. You could just go into Descr_strat and all you had to do was copy past the factions from "unplayable" to "playable" and boom. You could even play the rebels if you wanted (not recommended). Goodbye to that by the time Shogun II came out and they started locking the game files. Now if you want to play a faction, you have to pay them $10-$15 to do the job that used to take all of five seconds.
It's still easy enough to do, wait a day or 2 and the crack for the extra race will be out, on disc dlc never lasts long.
Just wait a few days/weeks to see how it is after launch, and I'd encourage people to do the same. Steam refunds aren't much protection if big issues start to crop up 50 hours in, like with Rome 2. Pre-order if you MUST, but just wait a couple of days and let people go ahead and find out if it's fundamentally broken or not before you use up those two hours. I'm sure you'll have plenty of other stuff to play in the meantime.
I won't be buying until they do an offer down the line no matter what, I just don't support SEGA's terrible business practices. Just remember, Rome 2 got its first sale only a month or so after release
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I have to say that it looks mighty impressive. Seems like they have really captured the essence of the greenskins and there are some interesting new gameplay mechanics that I spotted in use.
Loving how the armies seem to affect the area around them with the orcs defiling the dwarven city and the vampire count army leaving a trail of dead forest in its wake.
It is looking great to me I will not buy the game right away, but I can wait a couple of months to get everything that it has to offer, and maybe even more! I seriously am excited for Orcs and Goblins, hope that it meets up to my expectations.
So rumor has it that they are not going to have rune smiths at release. If they really dont have them it seems like the dwarves will lose too much flavor.
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Dang, that looks awesome. Everything I had hoped for and more.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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Personally I just don't understand all the Day One DLC hate that this game has garnered. Clearly these people have never gotten into the GW tabletop. Seriously spend hundreds, effort modeling and painting (possibly even converting) and fixing up your army so that it's a good size (2-3k points) which often could take me years to accrue all the funds for only for the whole universe to hit the crapper and be replaced by an idiotic version of itself. Keep in mind I mentioned an average sized army. I don't even know the anger people with 4+ armies in warhammer fantasy at an average size of 2-3k points felt when their game died.
Oh and if you don't buy in you're not considered a real fan. Some say you can play fantasy elsewhere and true you can but if you had an army book 6 years without an update that had an 8 page FAQ that people always wanted to see before playing (something not available anymore) then understand the disgust. It also is terrible if you waited endlessly for a reboot and the game you got excited for was worse than a bait and switch as the big news is they killed our game to make a dumb one.
Basically I wanted a new system like a 9th edition or at least update all the army books first. Not only that but with a game dead it means you can no longer find all the old rules, FAQ and the old game will never, ever receive new models which is horrible if your army was getting more and more irrelevant and outdated in the constant arms race of the game. Seriously some armies couldn't really deal with some things.
Keep playing 40k at GW and you have to constantly see 'Age of Sigmar' and hear about its existence. I seriously can't get away from it. It's almost like they're mocking me that a game I loved died. I mean if you were constantly surrounded by pictures of dead loved ones it'd be hard to forget.
Not only that but a bunch of AoS players don't see why we complain and find us the problem. Uh no if as a company you alienate customers and set them against each other the company is at fault.
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Anyway sorry for the rant. Point being I'd probably buy Total War: Warhammer 3 times with all DLC (once again all DLC 3 times) if I really had to. Keep in mind btw that at some point these games will all be on sale. I don't care. It's the only way i'lll get to re-live my glorious Warhammer Fantasy universe for one last time. I don't care if it's not ready on release and performs like crap as it can be patched later. Creative Assembly and Sega could never throw up an amount of middle fingers greater than GW did to Warhammer Fantasy fans.
Not only that but we had no idea Warriors of Chaos would even be ready by game release and they will be Day One DLC. How can you be mad about something you didn't even know was going to exist? They could've withheld it till the 2nd game instead.
Anyway I just don't get the whiners. I'm very highly anticipating this game. I just wish skaven got its army beefed up before GW killed the game. I'm not even sure if Skaven would have as many cool toys unless they were introduced in End Times. I could be wrong as game balance is done better in virtual games I'm sure but somehow I feel some armies will just feel outmatched (like beastmen and bretonnia).
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Total war has gone off the deep- end with DLC. Take a peek at all the DLC for Rome 2 They are selling DLC to add blood. It's insaine and they don't even have the decency to bundle it. People are worried that total warhammer is going to follow suit with gobs of DLC to fill in all the holes.
DLC is just tiring these days. I would rather just buy a game and have it. I don't want to be sifting through DLC to find want I need.
nomotog wrote: Total war has gone off the deep- end with DLC. Take a peek at all the DLC for Rome 2 They are selling DLC to add blood. It's insaine and they don't even have the decency to bundle it. People are worried that total warhammer is going to follow suit with gobs of DLC to fill in all the holes.
DLC is just tiring these days. I would rather just buy a game and have it. I don't want to be sifting through DLC to find want I need.
I'm fine by it because it's infinitely cheaper than playing the tabletop (I can play 5 armies or more for infinitely cheaper to make one viable decent sized army in the tabletop) and it's the only way I can play my glorious Warhammer Fantasy again. It's a shame people will fall in love with a setting that is dead because their company ran it into the ground (being the idiots GW are).
Video Gamers are just whiners. You don't like the DLC add-ons and cost then wait till it's on sale. Something tells me you would anyway just so that everything is patched correctly.
nomotog wrote: Total war has gone off the deep- end with DLC. Take a peek at all the DLC for Rome 2 They are selling DLC to add blood. It's insaine and they don't even have the decency to bundle it. People are worried that total warhammer is going to follow suit with gobs of DLC to fill in all the holes.
DLC is just tiring these days. I would rather just buy a game and have it. I don't want to be sifting through DLC to find want I need.
I'm fine by it because it's infinitely cheaper than playing the tabletop (I can play 5 armies or more for infinitely cheaper to make one viable decent sized army in the tabletop) and it's the only way I can play my glorious Warhammer Fantasy again. It's a shame people will fall in love with a setting that is dead because their company ran it into the ground (being the idiots GW are).
Video Gamers are just whiners. You don't like the DLC add-ons and cost then wait till it's on sale. Something tells me you would anyway just so that everything is patched correctly.
Well tabletop is expensive as duck so that isn't really a hard bar to pass.
Video gamers are whiners. This is true. For me it's less the price and more how the game is going to poke you over and over trying to bleed as much money as they can from you. I tend to just want for them to release the complete edition, but I worry they might not do that in this case. Rome2 still doesn't have a complete version yet.
Well in my opinion anyway what GW did was beating their fans to near death and leaving them to die at the side of the road. What CA and Sega did with Day One DLC was a slap on the wrist.
I still don't understand some of the ridiculous hate some people have given this game and the companies involved for this (except GW because screw them). Chances are their opinions will be heard more than GW will hear their fans as well.
I mean a lot of them are hating on a game to a universe they probably never even heard of or cared about till maybe just then or a few months before.
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In fact let's put things in perspective. The 8th edition warhammer fantasy rulebook cost 85 USD. This game by itself will cost 60 USD. That rulebook as we know isn't even close to what you'll need for your first 500 points or all the rules you'll need for even one army (generally 40+ USD for an army book) and plenty won't even play unless you at least have 2,000 points of an army. I mean let's say you play skaven. Ok buy 20 stormvermin and now you've paid about 40-50 USD for 7-8 points per models without banners. That's about 160 points you got and you still need a crap ton more. I mean Clanrats were needed in droves even for use as slaves and they're what 4 1/2 points per model? You get 20 for 35 USD and then you get 90 points of models.
Anyway then GW kills this game which people spent so much time, money and everything on and basically said thanks for the money but you didn't give enough so like our garbage or **** off or ya know more likely just **** off.
People are also going to get heated about the stuff being left out. Like the army list for each fraction aren't complete. Orks don't have any squigs for example.
My big complaint is that your limited in what places you can take over based on your fraction. Like if your empire, you can't take over ork lands. They say it's for fluff reasons?
nomotog wrote: People are also going to get heated about the stuff being left out. Like the army list for each fraction aren't complete. Orks don't have any squigs for example.
My big complaint is that your limited in what places you can take over based on your fraction. Like if your empire, you can't take over ork lands. They say it's for fluff reasons?
nomotog wrote: People are also going to get heated about the stuff being left out. Like the army list for each fraction aren't complete. Orks don't have any squigs for example.
My big complaint is that your limited in what places you can take over based on your fraction. Like if your empire, you can't take over ork lands. They say it's for fluff reasons?
Meh it's still better than the tabletop option in my opinion. I only really care about the missing squigs, mangler squigs and the fanatics. Fanatics would be so hilarious. Here's to hoping spider riders are cool this time. I heard they weren't cost effective last time even if spiders could crawl over walls and buildings without penalty in the game. Hoping they can scale any landscape (mountains) and actually climb on buildings while their riders shoot on the sides of em.
I'm more worried about the not being able to take over ork lands. I mean it is Total War or is the focus just about all out war rather than all out conquest?
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nomotog wrote: Total war has gone off the deep- end with DLC. Take a peek at all the DLC for Rome 2 They are selling DLC to add blood. It's insaine and they don't even have the decency to bundle it. People are worried that total warhammer is going to follow suit with gobs of DLC to fill in all the holes.
DLC is just tiring these days. I would rather just buy a game and have it. I don't want to be sifting through DLC to find want I need.
I'm fine by it because it's infinitely cheaper than playing the tabletop (I can play 5 armies or more for infinitely cheaper to make one viable decent sized army in the tabletop) and it's the only way I can play my glorious Warhammer Fantasy again. It's a shame people will fall in love with a setting that is dead because their company ran it into the ground (being the idiots GW are).
Video Gamers are just whiners. You don't like the DLC add-ons and cost then wait till it's on sale. Something tells me you would anyway just so that everything is patched correctly.
You know what the problem is with Day 1 DLC? It's made alongside the rest of the game, you just need to pay extra money to get something that is already on the disc.
If GW killed your game universe that you spent hundreds if not thousands on and it took time, money and various things out of your life to do you'd feel like it wasn't just a waste but you'd feel like a sucker. I wanted to leave GW forever and would if it wasn't for Dark Eldar (I have a love for pain but mostly my own it would seem ).
Just as the only way I can re-live fantasy I can deal with it. This issue is peanuts to me. I spent more money on End Times than I likely will with this game and its following DLC and the end of End Times was infinitely more disappointing. At least the Total War guys had the balls to spring this on you in advance. GW disguised AoS as 9th edition. Imagine the kind of hate that followed that.
Wait a year for the game to get better and updated
No, what you do is you buy it when it immediately comes out so that you get all the DLC for free eventually because SEGA likes to say they're sorry for all the bugs.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
move though, you gotta admit. If the main roster had been: Empire, Chaos, Greenskins, Dwarfs... and the "bonus" fifth race was Vampire Counts, I bet a huge chunk of the discontent would disappear.
Homebrew Imperial Guard: 1222nd Etrurian Lancers (Winged); Special Air-Assault Brigade (SAAB)
Homebrew Chaos: The Black Suns; A Medrengard Militia (think Iron Warriors-centric Blood Pact/Sons of Sek) 
For me it's less the price and more how the game is going to poke you over and over trying to bleed as much money as they can from you. I tend to just want for them to release the complete edition, but I worry they might not do that in this case. Rome2 still doesn't have a complete version yet.
