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 Freakazoitt wrote:


and take your time with the announcement who shot down the plane. let's wait for the final report of investigation.

You cannot be serious. The investigation stated MH17 was shot down by a Russian BUK missile, fired from a battery manned by Russian military. Just like every investigation before it.

Or do you not read ANY international media outlets?

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Noam Chomsky is an Institute Professor and professor of linguistics emeritus at MIT, widely known as the father of modern linguistics, a philosopher, prolific author, and globally influential political activist.

He is a demagogue, nothing more. He has NOTHING to do with the "technology" part of the "MIT" acronym. He's got a reputation in far left/anti-West circles. His philosophy is pure Marxism/Leninism, "philosopher"? Ohhhhh is he a SOCIOLOGIST too?, and yeah he produces TONS of garbage "writing" which has no purpose beyond yelling about how much he hates America and the West....but he's happy to live in the lap of our luxury!

As for "political activist".....what exactly is the Russian norm for dealing with anti-state activists?


Yeah, come correct or stay home.

feth media, it should be published here:

https://www.government.nl/topics/mh17-incident

I like how folks in this thread literally say....

Russia conquering Ukraine isn't imperialism.
Democracy is tyranny.
Suppressing communism is fascism.


Putin's Russia must be a lot like the world in Fahrenheit 451.


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 Freakazoitt wrote:
feth media, it should be published here:

https://www.government.nl/topics/mh17-incident

Oh right, the plethora of investigations don't count as "proofs" huh? We've officially reached stage 2.

Well I warned the thread not to post that image. You CANNOT swear in images, especially when that same inage has already been deleted from another post and an in thread warning about the content of pictures has been left, motyak.

Are you new in internets?

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Are you new in internets?

That'd be another perfect example of stage 2, actually.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:


and take your time with the announcement who shot down the plane. let's wait for the final report of investigation.

You cannot be serious. The investigation stated MH17 was shot down by a Russian BUK missile, fired from a battery manned by Russian military. Just like every investigation before it.

Pretty sure the investigation only concluded that it was a Russian-made BUK, not who fired it. So this:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

Yeah, come correct or stay home.

would probably be something you'd want to do yourself.

Some people's children...

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

Oh right, the plethora of investigations don't count as "proofs" huh? We've officially reached stage 2.

Someone's fantasy is not proofs. Russian media told, that plane was shot by Ukrainian SU-25 from a long distance. If you know a little it's characteristics and weaponry, you'll understeand, that it's impossible. Western media full of reports like "anonimous sources told, that blabla. We don't know is it true, but look here is a unkonwn picture where probably blabla is going on". No, thanks. I'm not going to be brainwashed again. I promise, I will not justify the one who shot down the plane, no matter if that was Russia or DNR/LNR militants. But if the Ukrainian Army did , I can not promise that I will not berate them

 Freakazoitt wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

Oh right, the plethora of investigations don't count as "proofs" huh? We've officially reached stage 2.

Someone's fantasy is not proofs. Russian media told, that plane was shot by Ukrainian SU-25 from a long distance. If you know a little it's characteristics and weaponry, you'll understeand, that it's impossible. Western media full of reports like "anonimous sources told, that blabla. We don't know is it true, but look here is a unkonwn picture where probably blabla is going on". No, thanks. I'm not going to be brainwashed again. I promise, I will not justify the one who shot down the plane, no matter if that was Russia or DNR/LNR militants. But if the Ukrainian Army did , I can not promise that I will not berate them

Stage one with a smattering of stage two.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:


Well I warned the thread not to post that image. You CANNOT swear in images, especially when that same inage has already been deleted from another post and an in thread warning about the content of pictures has been left, motyak.

Got it.

Didn't realize it had already been deleted in here.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:


and take your time with the announcement who shot down the plane. let's wait for the final report of investigation.

You cannot be serious. The investigation stated MH17 was shot down by a Russian BUK missile, fired from a battery manned by Russian military. Just like every investigation before it.

Pretty sure the investigation only concluded that it was a Russian-made BUK, not who fired it. So this:

You're wrong. There was a full series of satt photo's showing the BUK unit in question being moved from RUS territory, over the UKR border, and the path of the fired missile. Obviously, Russia Today does not post these details so I can see how you would be unaware of them. Glad Dakka is here to help educate folks.

Your government shot down a passenger liner because they can't stand the fact that Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state anymore.

I uh.... I think you're getting posters confused there mate. Walrus isn't Russian.

To the thread in general, and several users in particular. Belittling the points of another user as "brainwashed nonsense" or all the rest of what you throw out Freakazoitt and others, is not polite. If I see you continue to post rudely you'll start accruing warnings fast.

Swedish russian, what is going to be the difference in a few years?

The Russians have agreed it was shot down by a BUK missile, but concluded that it was an old model, with the early type warhead. No longer in service with the Russian units.
The Ukrainian army has the early type, so its them or the separatists captured one, and used it.
The video of the missile launcher been transported to Russia was a fake. Winter clothes in a Ukraine summer, really!!! The tractor unit pulling the trailer was seen as part of a Ukrainian convoy later.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:


You're wrong. There was a full series of satt photo's showing the BUK unit in question being moved from RUS territory, over the UKR border, and the path of the fired missile. Obviously, Russia Today does not post these details so I can see how you would be unaware of them. Glad Dakka is here to help educate folks.

Which is not part of the official investigation. The Dutch air crash investigation, which is what was being discussed, has not said anything about who fired because it is outside their area of expertise. You're wrong about the investigation, wrong about me being Russian, and wrong about me relying on Russia Today for my news. That's three strikes in one post.

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Peter Wiggin wrote:

 Freakazoitt wrote:


and take your time with the announcement who shot down the plane. let's wait for the final report of investigation.

You cannot be serious. The investigation stated MH17 was shot down by a Russian BUK missile, fired from a battery manned by Russian military. Just like every investigation before it.

Pretty sure the investigation only concluded that it was a Russian-made BUK, not who fired it. So this:

You're wrong. There was a full series of satt photo's showing the BUK unit in question being moved from RUS territory, over the UKR border, and the path of the fired missile. Obviously, Russia Today does not post these details so I can see how you would be unaware of them. Glad Dakka is here to help educate folks.

Your government shot down a passenger liner because they can't stand the fact that Ukraine doesn't want to be a vassal state anymore.

There was no such thing in the investigation. I watched the presentation, and it was all over Dutch news, so I would have known. You are also wrong about the way RT operates. They would certainly post it, but give it a twist making Ukraine look guilty instead.
Thirdly, it has been quite obvious from the beginning (assuming the tapped conservations are not fakes) that it was the seperatists who shot down the passenger airplane by accident, believing it to be a military aircraft. You make it sound like there was a direct order from the Kremlin to shoot down the airplane, which is the lamest conspiracy theory I have heard in years.
Glad Dakka is here to help educate folks

IIRC, it was concluded that it was a missile of Russian design, most probably fired by the separatists. So not actually Russia trying to shoot down civilian aircraft, and more people who were given an complicated piece of equipment, and did not have been trained, managing to shoot down a civilian aircraft. So (if it was the separatists) not Russia's fault, per-say, but it's responsibility. Essentially, don't give people who don't understand it complicated, and dangerous, military equipment.