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Well just about every horrible totalitarian ideal exists as a 40k army somewhere; Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire, etc...

So I'm assuming that, since this is the internet, someone's done it somewhere.

Is anyone aware of some 40k army that uses ISIS flags, imagery and 'Jihadi' style units?

If it weren't for current events I'd consider such an army kinda interesting, actually, from an aesthetic point of view; an IG army with headwraps and a 'Jihadi' look would be pretty unique and certainly give 'another side' to the Imperial Cult...

I wouldn't use Isis imagery. That's lame. But the tallarn have that look.

Henners91

do you know, ISIL banned in Russia?

Instead of ISIS, do Hassassins, like me.

Doing specifically ISIS themed units seems like it would be trying really hard to be edgy. All you're going to get is a few disapproving head shakes and likely somebody being very upset.

 Freakazoitt wrote:
Henners91

do you know, ISIL banned in Russia?

I would hope that they're banned from every civilised country (if we're talking about entry...)

As for tiny plastic soldiers; yeah, I'd shake my head at someone who fielded them just as much as I shake my head at the Wehraboos (Wehrmacht fetishists) you see in the community.

Still 28mm Jihadis at least seem interesting as far as breaking away from the whole 'sci-fi soldier' thing goes. But I'm sticking with my Inquisition stuff.

I don't see any reason for them to exist as straight 40K IG, even from a modelling perspective.
IG is well funded, well organised, consistent and has its own religion built in.

At most you could push this as a PDF force, which would justify any rough and ready equipment.

Orks are the closest you'd get, if you could find particularly dumb orks.

 Henners91 wrote:
Well just about every horrible totalitarian ideal exists as a 40k army somewhere; Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire, etc...

The problem with an ISIS-themed army is it's probably "too soon". While your other examples certainly exist, there's largely been enough time to create a mental separation. Today, for example, we're able to appreciate the aesthetics of, say, WWII German design, without the association of evil with it. We're able to play WWII wargames without feeling like the "bad guy" for playing an Axis army. But when people are, today, being killed in horrible ways by ISIS, it's just too raw of a nerve to strike, I think.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I don't see any reason for them to exist as straight 40K IG, even from a modelling perspective.
IG is well funded, well organised, consistent and has its own religion built in.

At most you could push this as a PDF force, which would justify any rough and ready equipment.

The galaxy is a pretty big place, I'm sure you could invent fluff for pretty much anything you wanted.

I think it is just bad taste and has no place in a game. At best people will think your a idiot at worse you get your ass kicked which I hate to say I am hoping for the second one.

Just cause you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD .

I would have a pretty strong reaction if I saw someone do this IRL.

That would be like a Nazi theme'd army, except if Nazi's were still herding Jews into concentration camps. Like for reals.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I don't see any reason for them to exist as straight 40K IG, even from a modelling perspective.
IG is well funded, well organised, consistent and has its own religion built in.

At most you could push this as a PDF force, which would justify any rough and ready equipment.

The galaxy is a pretty big place, I'm sure you could invent fluff for pretty much anything you wanted.

Could.

Should?

Wonder what people today would say about the old Imperial Guard "human bombs"? They were actually a thing.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I don't see any reason for them to exist as straight 40K IG, even from a modelling perspective.
IG is well funded, well organised, consistent and has its own religion built in.

At most you could push this as a PDF force, which would justify any rough and ready equipment.

The galaxy is a pretty big place, I'm sure you could invent fluff for pretty much anything you wanted.

Could.

Should?

Well I never tried to argue "should", simply that 40k fluff is very open so you can do damned near anything you want if you have an ounce of creativity.

But should it be done? Yeah probably not. I personally don't care, covered in isis flags, covered in swastikas, whatever, I still find it less offensive that brony models But there's enough people who wouldn't find it amusing that I wouldn't recommend it.

Bronies are a bit rambunctious, I'll agree there.
But their heart is in the right place generally (and boy will they tell you about it).

But making an IS army to me speaks of wilful or incidental ignorance. A group that is performing horrific crimes left and right, destroying culture, and engaging in delightful activities like pushing terrified people from atop tall buildings purely for their sexuality... That's not amusing. That's not witty.

I would not be offended if I saw an IS army, but I would think the wielder was an utter tool and not worth my time.

No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement. ISIS is religion based organisation and let's not forget that prior to the Horus Heresy the Emperor removed any form of organised religion by establishing the empirical imperial truth which is based on: rationalism, atheism and etc. After the Heresy, there is only one religion - the Faith in the Emperor itself.

Now, Talaran are the only ones with similarities to ISIS, but only because they are desert based warriors who are more closer to Lawrence of Arabia rather than the ISIS jihadi and etc.

Ofc, you can always convert your IG to anythin' you wanna do and paint them pink with unicorn flags, but just like Buttery pointed out - not worth spending the time doing ISIS army.

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement. ISIS is religion based organisation and let's not forget that prior to the Horus Heresy the Emperor removed any formed of religion by establishing the empirical imperial truth which is based on: rationalism, atheism and etc. After the Heresy, there is only one religion - the Faith in the Emperor itself.

Now, Talaran are the only ones with similarities to ISIS, but only because they are desert based warriors who are more closer to Lawrence of Arabia rather than the ISIS jihadi and etc.

Ofc, you can always convert your IG to anythin' you wanna do and paint them pink with unicorn flags.

Why can't you make it? Its too early dude. Raw subject that does not need to be pressed.

If I played a dude with an ISIS army, I would pack up and leave.

Dalin nailed it so neatly that there's little to even say in addition.
I just gotta say guys, sincerely well done in keeping this so civil and well thought out replies. I can't picture this thread surviving this long in another environment. Love Dakka painters so much in moments like this.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement. ISIS is religion based organisation and let's not forget that prior to the Horus Heresy the Emperor removed any formed of religion by establishing the empirical imperial truth which is based on: rationalism, atheism and etc. After the Heresy, there is only one religion - the Faith in the Emperor itself.

Now, Talaran are the only ones with similarities to ISIS, but only because they are desert based warriors who are more closer to Lawrence of Arabia rather than the ISIS jihadi and etc.

Ofc, you can always convert your IG to anythin' you wanna do and paint them pink with unicorn flags.

Why can't you make it? Its too early dude. Raw subject that does not need to be pressed.

If I played a dude with an ISIS army, I would pack up and leave.

Because like I said, in the 40K people don't remember anything from the past, knowledge is lost, and all religions like christianity and Islam are long forgotten. Let's don't forget that even in the Horus Heresy (30K) people barley remembered that Christianity existed. That's the current state of the fluff. Ofc, GW can always add Chaos ISIS guard somewhere in the future of 2045, so when people play will remember of what happened now. Pretty much like feeling you are in World War 1 when you play Death Krieg.

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement.

What about the SoB, Ecclesiarchy and (debatably) the Inquisition itself? They're all incarnations of 'Space Catholics;' and the Inquisition is directly named after a religious organisation.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Dalin nailed it so neatly that there's little to even say in addition.
I just gotta say guys, sincerely well done in keeping this so civil and well thought out replies. I can't picture this thread surviving this long in another environment. Love Dakka painters so much in moments like this.

It sure is surprising

I think the issue with an ISIS army is that it's actually something that exist currently in a very radical way. There would always be a question of "does this person support their ideals or something?" when looking at something like that

Now yes, I know there are still some groups that support the Nazi ideology, but as a whole they're very fringe and tiny by comparison, additionally they're "Neo-Nazis" as opposed to the original ones that are generally represented in modeling. As such when you look at those other negative movements, they're treated as historical, while ISIS is still a current event. In other words, the number of historians on the topic of Nazis and so forth, outweigh those that still support that ideology, the same isn't exactly true for ISIS, and there for they don't benefit from the general assumption of "oh, this person is a history buff."

It's not so much a "too soon" thing, as it is a problem with it being a current event that's still ongoing, as opposed to one viewed from a historical lens.

 Henners91 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement.

What about the SoB, Ecclesiarchy and (debatably) the Inquisition itself? They're all incarnations of 'Space Catholics;' and the Inquisition is directly named after a religious organisation.

You forgot the fact that Space Marine (Teh Astartes) are space crusaders (christian or muslim, pick your flavour). ISIS is way too current to use where having guys like the Inquisition who are modelled after the Spanish Inquisition which was around a few hundred years ago.

This isn't a game like Dogs in the Vineyard where you can sneak in a huge pile of things that people would get mad at

 Henners91 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement.

What about the SoB, Ecclesiarchy and (debatably) the Inquisition itself? They're all incarnations of 'Space Catholics;' and the Inquisition is directly named after a religious organisation.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Dalin nailed it so neatly that there's little to even say in addition.
I just gotta say guys, sincerely well done in keeping this so civil and well thought out replies. I can't picture this thread surviving this long in another environment. Love Dakka painters so much in moments like this.

It sure is surprising

It's not the same thing. The Emperor is the Greatest Psyker ever lived, but he is not a God. It's easier for humanity to preserve istself from the horrors of space by beliving that the Emperor is a God. This wrong-but actually good idea is started by Europhati Keeler (the first saint to manifest the powers of the Emperor) and later on developed by the Emperors Reagent (second most powerfull psyker), who appointed Garro the first Inquisitor (correct me if Im wrong). They all knew that the Emperor is not a God at all (at least the Reagent, most of the followers are true believers), but created this scam church of the Emperor, because they knew that the Humanity can keep fighting on if they have the blind faith. Yeah, sure they got the aesthetics of orhodox/chatolics with all the chatedrals, inquisition institutions and Battle Barges that look like floating Gothic Cathedrals. Those ships, as might can look like Mosques, but for some reason we don't have any of them. Why? After all the developers are Europeans, however there is deeper reason for the whole gothic atmospher, but I don't want to dive into a detailed analysis why the Imperium looks like so medieval-gothic-christian.

Can I just say, that as far as bait threads go, this one was amazing.

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Henners91 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement.

What about the SoB, Ecclesiarchy and (debatably) the Inquisition itself? They're all incarnations of 'Space Catholics;' and the Inquisition is directly named after a religious organisation.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Dalin nailed it so neatly that there's little to even say in addition.
I just gotta say guys, sincerely well done in keeping this so civil and well thought out replies. I can't picture this thread surviving this long in another environment. Love Dakka painters so much in moments like this.

It sure is surprising

It's not the same thing. The Emperor is the Greatest Psyker ever lived, but he is not a God. It's easier for humanity to preserve istself from the horrors of space by beliving that the Emperor is a God. This wrong-but actually good idea is started by Europhati Keeler (the first saint to manifest the powers of the Emperor) and later on developed by the Emperors Reagent (second most powerfull psyker), who appointed Garro the first Inquisitor (correct me if Im wrong). They all knew that the Emperor is not a God at all (at least the Reagent, most of the followers are true believers), but created this scam church of the Emperor, because they knew that the Humanity can keep fighting on if they have the blind faith. Yeah, sure they got the aesthetics of orhodox/chatolics with all the chatedrals, inquisition institutions and Battle Barges that look like floating Gothic Cathedrals. Those ships, as might can look like Mosques, but for some reason we don't have any of them. Why? After all the developers are Europeans, however there is deeper reason for the whole gothic atmospher, but I don't want to dive into a detailed analysis why the Imperium looks like so medieval-gothic-christian.

I respect and agree with what you're saying but couldn't the same cop out potentially be used for an ISIS Army? 'They're not Islamic extremists, just Imperial extremists' and then give the same talk about the Cult of the Emperor being a scam? Faith manifests in different ways in the 41st Millenium.

Anyway I think I should clarify that this isn't an army I would assemble - I just got thinking in the shower about an IG Army that used Toyota Technicals and black flags with funky writing.

Still maybe Orks works better - Bomb Squigs 'n' all.

 Henners91 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Henners91 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:
No, there ain't no soil for ISIS based IG regiments and I will try to explain why.
Nazis, Soviets, the British Empire based Regiments are there because they all represent a nation rather than a religion movement.

What about the SoB, Ecclesiarchy and (debatably) the Inquisition itself? They're all incarnations of 'Space Catholics;' and the Inquisition is directly named after a religious organisation.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Dalin nailed it so neatly that there's little to even say in addition.
I just gotta say guys, sincerely well done in keeping this so civil and well thought out replies. I can't picture this thread surviving this long in another environment. Love Dakka painters so much in moments like this.

It sure is surprising

It's not the same thing. The Emperor is the Greatest Psyker ever lived, but he is not a God. It's easier for humanity to preserve istself from the horrors of space by beliving that the Emperor is a God. This wrong-but actually good idea is started by Europhati Keeler (the first saint to manifest the powers of the Emperor) and later on developed by the Emperors Reagent (second most powerfull psyker), who appointed Garro the first Inquisitor (correct me if Im wrong). They all knew that the Emperor is not a God at all (at least the Reagent, most of the followers are true believers), but created this scam church of the Emperor, because they knew that the Humanity can keep fighting on if they have the blind faith. Yeah, sure they got the aesthetics of orhodox/chatolics with all the chatedrals, inquisition institutions and Battle Barges that look like floating Gothic Cathedrals. Those ships, as might can look like Mosques, but for some reason we don't have any of them. Why? After all the developers are Europeans, however there is deeper reason for the whole gothic atmospher, but I don't want to dive into a detailed analysis why the Imperium looks like so medieval-gothic-christian.

I respect and agree with what you're saying but couldn't the same cop out potentially be used for an ISIS Army? 'They're not Islamic extremists, just Imperial extremists' and then give the same talk about the Cult of the Emperor being a scam? Faith manifests in different ways in the 41st Millenium.

Anyway I think I should clarify that this isn't an army I would assemble - I just got thinking in the shower about an IG Army that used Toyota Technicals and black flags with funky writing.

Still maybe Orks works better - Bomb Squigs 'n' all.

"Why'd you go and say something stupid like that" -My dad

The cultural background of one group does not matter if they serve the Emperor.

Apart of the orks mounted on toyotas, what ISIS currently doing can be only one thing - Chaos bloody work.

I'm leaving this thread. I feel trolled

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
I would not be offended if I saw an IS army, but I would think the wielder was an utter tool and not worth my time.

That's much the same as how I feel about bronies

Either way you're judging a book by it's cover. You're assuming that because someone made an army based on a controversial topic that they must be ignorant and therefore not worth your time, I assume someone who makes a brony themed army is just taking the piss and thus not worth my time.

I guess when it comes to themes that are war related I see the lines we draw as largely arbitrary. We're trying to sanitise war in to a game, war is bad and we should feel bad for doing it I try not to take the moral high ground on it for that reason.

To be honest I can see why you'd judge an ISIS army harshly.

I actually don't react well the Nazi armies myself - it's not that I think that the person who built them is necessarily a Nazi himself, it's just that I am very cautious of what I think is a kind of 'fetishisation' of the Wehrmacht, German equipment, etc.

Too often do you hear statements like 'Oh the Wehrmacht were only men, the SS were the bad guys, etc.'

Nope, still wrong, you've a few screws loose if you outright model your army on the Wehrmacht directly.

Likewise I can see why people would think an ISIS army a deliberate attempt to be edgy... or just downright worrying.