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So I got a Nid game coming up, and I was lookin over they're Codex and it seems that they don't do well vs Str 10(instadeath) and flamers(ap5-4 ignores cover), as well as they're lack of ap 2, so I was thinking GK and Skitarii wombo combo. Would you worry about any AA in a 1850 game? They're basically the motherworld of FMC and the only AA I can get is from the two onagers I have, which I think will be better used as neutron Lazers for Str 10 instakills, so should I just ignore them? I have access to GK,Necrons,DE,Eldar(not so much Eldar), and Cult, with Skitarii as my primary.

There's very very little T5 in Nids. Hit them with S8 and you instakill Biovores, Warriors, Lictors and a couple other things. And frankly, who cares about those. You NEED to kill Flyrants or they will tear apart everything you have. A single S10 is not as useful as 6 S6 shots, keep that in mind. And AP3 is friggin murder to the big beasties. Take AP3 squads if you have access to them. I don't know Admech well so I don't know what all you have.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
There's very very little T5 in Nids. Hit them with S8 and you instakill Biovores, Warriors, Lictors and a couple other things. And frankly, who cares about those. You NEED to kill Flyrants or they will tear apart everything you have. A single S10 is not as useful as 6 S6 shots, keep that in mind. And AP3 is friggin murder to the big beasties. Take AP3 squads if you have access to them. I don't know Admech well so I don't know what all you have.

Basically what he said. Unless the nid player is purposefully avoiding FMCs hes likely to bring at minimum 2 and 1 is likely even if he mentions he was trying to stay away from them. If you dont wanna commit to 2 AA platforms then dont, i wouldnt blame you one bit, but you will be thankful you bought at least 1.

I'm thinking maybe some vangaurd as troops with plasma, 2 dagoons(Str 8 on the charge) and 2 iccarus arrys. I could then bring an imperial knight because the two guns are both ap 3 and the RFBC is Str 8. Then some GK for good CC and ap 4 flamers as well as 2+ armor to eat bullets

Depending on your models - Id actually suggest lots of psycannon termies/Paladins. They throw out good shots, high str and decent ap - with storm bolter support you should be ok. Razorbacks with heavy bolters could also be a nice additional support weapon. When I ran Gk - a 5 man strike with 1 psy cannon plus razor back with HB was a pretty strong unit. Take a few of those for objectives and back em up with Paladins and you'll do ok. Storm Ravens with assault cannons and hurricanes can also make for a nice fast moving gun boat with anti air, and a transport option.

Grey Knights likely aren't going to help you. Nids almost invented Str 6 Spam, and they already only have AP4 at best, so spending points on Sv 2 isn't going to give you too much added protection. And on the chance your opponent has a Mawloc, it will just chew up Terminators without fail. Cheaper GK might be a better bet.

Anything with Force though is friggin MURDER. Nids have zero Eternal Warrior. But you have to have the pay numbers since an average Nid list pulls 6 Levels naturally.

How to kill bugs easily and effectivley?
XV107 R'Varna Riptide with Earth Caste Pilot Array (Farsight Enclaves Relic) the allows him to reroll failed Nova Charges
IT DESTROYS ANYTHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HORDE (Tervigaunts,Cultists,Orks) AND CAN KILL BIGGER THINGS VIA NUMBER OF SHOTS (Standard stuff takes 1 hit at S6,Bulky (As well as bikes,calvalry ect) take 2 hits each at S7 and MCs/Vechicles TAKE 3 HITS EACH AT S8 and it spits out LOTS of large blasts, and the Nova charge doubles the shots

If you take 3 of these, you are That Guy x1000 (unless you take them in apocalypse)

I'm not suggesting a whole army of termies or Paladins. Merely a unit of 5 termies (because move and full fire on psycannon is awsome) and maybe a small group of pallys - because more of the awsome.

Small mobile strike squads with razorback support could do well. Plus everything is force weapons.

The idea is to put just a ton of lead down field. For special threats like mawlocks - wait for em to pop up then blast the holy bejesus out of them. I also generally include a one hammer in every squad, maybe more if termies/characters. Wich can beat the snot out of a big bug. Flyrants go down to massed storm bolters. Ground it - then unload psycannons. Riflemen dreads also work really well. They can be a solid finish after the bolters and psycannons weaken something up. Storm raven adds good anti air - with anti psyker missiles - wich the tyrant or momma bugs will be. Plus transport, plus good number of shots, and decent armor for a flier.

Gk should have little trouble dealing with bugs.

So you think no dreadnights? What about draigo? I don't have strikesquands or vehicles but i do have lots of Intercepters

Priority should always go to dealing with flyrants vs nids, everything else is generally a bit subpar or only excels in specific circumstances.

Give the dunecrawlers the AA guns and just rely on the bulk of your army just being flat out better than his

Also if you have nay strength 8, aim it at the warriors, krak missiles in particular just maul them

Why wouldn't you take Dreadknights?

Here's what I was thinking:
IK Allied:
435 pts with upgrade to RFBC and Melta
Provides enough fire to murder any unit and av 13 will be hard for nids
Skitarii
10 Vangaurd with 3 Plasma Calivers (warlord)
5 Vangaurd
2 Onagers with Iccarus Array
Vangaurd with plasma Will be paired with draigo to gate and instakill anything.
Other 5 are to fill the troop requirements
Av 12 onagers with 8 skyfire shots each will bring down atleast 1 flyrent
GK Nemisis
ML 3 Librarian
5 termies with psycannon and deamon hammer
2 Dreadnights with incinerator personal teleporters and hammer(idk if I'll have enough points for sword, it'll be close)
Draigo
Librarian paired with driago hopefully rolling invisibility, dreadnights personal teleport with flamers to wipe out a squad and then next turn clean out with force.

I could potentially drop draigo for another ML 3 librarian and then move those points to either Intercepters or dagoons


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And then hopefully roll gate on one and either invisibility or that doom thing

I'm pretty sure taking a Knight Crusader V nids will win you the game alone.

Tyranids are not a bothersome force (with the exception of FMC). Target priority is the name of the game, take out the Synapse creatures (Tyrant, Warriors, 'thropes) and pack enough flamers to deal with hordes and you're golden.

I would urge you not to roll Invisibility. Why? It's a cheap crutch that you don't need against Tyranids of all armies.

Also, I thought taking Draigo means he has to be your Warlord?

Hehehe I guess it's a little cheap I used it to solve my heldrake problems lol, I could just take 2 librarians and roll for gate