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 Ashiraya wrote:
The factions only differ meaningfully in Stormheim.

Points do matter, I believe crafting professions have a minimum of 100?

Otherwise they seem to be more a measure of your progression than a limiting factor.

Well, some of the new patterns from vendors require certain levels of the professions to learn/create, if I remember correctly.

oh .. hmm .. so would it be worth it to go buy a bunch of old world leathers to level up the skill? I just thought it was weird how Legion stuff is supposed to be the uberest right now, and you can start a new trade skill today and be able to make it no problem. For leather anyway, legion stuff gives me 5 like skill ups per piece.. but I'd rather save the leather I have right now for more higher end stuff .. looks like the dreadleather items all need lots. Got my first pattern for the wrists last night and then bought rank 2, and it still takes like over 100 pieces.

That's what I'm currently doing on my Tailor and my LW. I buy old mats from Draenor and have been skilling them up from making the daily cooldowns.

Was kind of bummed.. For the last few days I had a blue "rare" mission to do that was level 110, black rock something or other. I was waiting till I got my guys leveled up more and now that they're all 110, I went to go do the mission and it's suddenly gone :(

Also kinda bummed that you can only have 5 followers at once. I have 6, so I had to make one inactive.. there's also 2 on my list that says I haven't unlocked them yet. They should just let you use them all. Thought that was dumb.

I got all of my dreadleather patterns now except for the hat, I'm skipping that for now. I need 5 of some blue gem to be able to buy the rank 1 pattern, and they cost like 5000 each on the AH. Not worth it and can't afford it anyway. I'm gonna try and stick to my class armor anyway, but I wanted to get all the patterns just to have them for now.

I completed my priest campaign the other day and unlocked my third relic slot and new appearance (which, by the way, looks awesome on the Light's Wrath).

I'm still not sold on Discipline healing... at all. I'm ilvl 839 (832 with my preferred gear equipped) and struggle healing regular 5-man dungeons while I can plow through heroics with a gakky group as Holy. Really though, I think it just has to do more with my skill level than the mechanics of how the specialization works.


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 Necros wrote:
Was kind of bummed.. For the last few days I had a blue "rare" mission to do that was level 110, black rock something or other. I was waiting till I got my guys leveled up more and now that they're all 110, I went to go do the mission and it's suddenly gone :(

Don't worry, they'll pop back up after a while. There was a rare world quest for Black Rook Hold today that awarded a pair of epic pants.

Also kinda bummed that you can only have 5 followers at once. I have 6, so I had to make one inactive.. there's also 2 on my list that says I haven't unlocked them yet. They should just let you use them all. Thought that was dumb.

This was intentional. The devs stated that they wanted to limit the number of followers active to avoid a repeat of WoD, where you felt you have to have all of your followers out on mission 100% of the time. They intentionally limited it so you wouldn't be able to do every mission you have an any given time.

Discipline is difficult so don't feel down if it seems weaker to you.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Discipline is difficult so don't feel down if it seems weaker to you.

I don't think it's weak, I just don't think I'm that great at it. I think a lot of my problem was that neither my raid frames or HealBot were tracking Atonement, which I have since corrected on both. Unfortunately, my work schedule hasn't allowed me any real time to see if that has made a difference.

I love Discipline for solo content though. I can just destroy anything in my path without taking any damage. If an enemy does get to me, I can heal myself back to full health while melt their health bar.

I think Disc is weak in 5-mans but will prove strong for raids. The shields from Atonement help a lot more when you can leave topping people up to other healers and focus on doing your thing.

My opinion on what they've done to my Warlock is not suitable for print on Dakka. From the botched Destro beta to pulling everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING!) in Mythics when I use my Affliction artifact, I haven't seen Blizzard feth up this badly in ages. It'd also be really cool if Warlocks didn't have to lose stuff and identity every time Blizzard releases a Hero class.

It's a shame, because I like around 85% of the expansion so far, it's just that my Warlock is in those 15%, and my Warlock is WoW to me.

Warlocks are really SOL I think. They were super ridiculous in the prepatch (afflocks were completely unkillable and could often solo several people without issue) and they had some pretty dumb stuff going on in 5.4 too (We did some duel tournaments, DPS specs only, and destrolocks pretty much always won - their selfhealing was beyond insane).

Unfortunately, sometimes Blizzard just doesn't understand nuance, and now they have overnerfed them. Sure, they needed a slap after the prepatch, but this is a bit much. At 110, I do not think I have ever died to a warlock 1v1.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

My opinion on what they've done to my Warlock is not suitable for print on Dakka. From the botched Destro beta to pulling everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING!) in Mythics when I use my Affliction artifact, I haven't seen Blizzard feth up this badly in ages. It'd also be really cool if Warlocks didn't have to lose stuff and identity every time Blizzard releases a Hero class.

It's a shame, because I like around 85% of the expansion so far, it's just that my Warlock is in those 15%, and my Warlock is WoW to me.

I don't have much experience with Affliction, but I haven't had much of an issue with Destro. I mean, I agree they have kinda been nerfed a bit much, but I'm still holding my own dps wise in Mythics (Then again, I would hope so at 850 ilvl with a legendary). I do hate that they made our AoE rather non-existent unless you spec, still made us highly immobile, and are still out of date with a lot of other classes.


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 Ashiraya wrote:
Warlocks are really SOL I think. They were super ridiculous in the prepatch (afflocks were completely unkillable and could often solo several people without issue) and they had some pretty dumb stuff going on in 5.4 too (We did some duel tournaments, DPS specs only, and destrolocks pretty much always won - their selfhealing was beyond insane).

Unfortunately, sometimes Blizzard just doesn't understand nuance, and now they have overnerfed them. Sure, they needed a slap after the prepatch, but this is a bit much. At 110, I do not think I have ever died to a warlock 1v1.

Yeah, I started playing PvP at 110 as Affliction, and even in battlegrounds, I can't seem to kill anyone, and it amazes me how much other classes have in comparison to us. Like, Demon Hunters have 10 million stuns/interrupt, which literally means we can't do anything to them. Other ranged classes are more mobile/do more damage, and also have interrupt/stuns. Warlocks rely on their pets for everything, and the pet who interrupts doesn't stun, and vice versa. I honestly don't know how anyone PvPs as a lock anymore, it just doesn't seem fun.

PuG's have gone back to suckville for me; fast pulling DPS who blame me for not tanking 20+ mobs at 105, but hey, I'm a tank so I take it.

Every healer I've had save maybe a single Paladin has flatout sucked ass. I'm not saying I"m elite or anything, or an amazing player, but I've healed through most of the game at one time or another...and from what I understand healing is even EASIER in Legion. But hey, I'm a tank, so I take it.

Now, my Prot Paladin, who could/can solo most anything I encounter (even at 105) get's a damage nerf. Because? Well, ladies and gents, OTHER tank classes were doing too much damage you see and that means that tanks across the board need a flat nerf...because, we'll we can't have Blood DK's out dpsing everyone else.

Oh wait, even WITH the nerf they still do.

I like this expansion, I really do. I do wish though that the exploration and overall questing was based entirely in a single player game. Because relying on ANYONE in WoW has proven to be depressing at least and detrimental to my sanity at worst.

Edit: I'm not sure if it's just my experiences so far, but EVERY rogue player I encounter is a giant douchecanoe. Is that a requirement for the class or something?

 Frankenberry wrote:
Every healer I've had save maybe a single Paladin has flatout sucked ass. I'm not saying I"m elite or anything, or an amazing player, but I've healed through most of the game at one time or another...and from what I understand healing is even EASIER in Legion. But hey, I'm a tank, so I take it.

Healing is not easier in Legion. The amount our spells heal has been reduced while the damage incoming at a steady rate has been increased and absorbs have been eliminated for the most part (which is a good thing).

The biggest problem I've found as a healer is tanks not using their mitigation tools and self heals when they're available and DPS standing in gak when they shouldn't. I really can't stress that first part enough, tanking in Legion relies on the tanks actively mitigating and heal themselves, something that seems lost on most of them.

I like this expansion, I really do. I do wish though that the exploration and overall questing was based entirely in a single player game. Because relying on ANYONE in WoW has proven to be depressing at least and detrimental to my sanity at worst.

I'm not sure what you're saying here... most of this content can be done solo, especially while leveling. The end quest of every zone is a dungeon quest, there are dungeon quests in the class campaigns, and the professions all seem to have a handful of dungeon quests. The majority of world quests can be be done solo (though the rares are easier to take down as a group, but there's typically going to be lots of people there killing it anyway and all you'll have to do is tag it). Dungeon leveling isn't really a thing anymore because they severely nerfed the amount of experience gained from completing a dungeon.

Edit: I'm not sure if it's just my experiences so far, but EVERY rogue player I encounter is a giant douchecanoe. Is that a requirement for the class or something?

Well, are you on a PvP server? I mean, if you're getting ganked by rogues of the other faction out in the world, that's kinda what they do. If you're talking about rogues in LFD groups, I'd say your experience is vastly different than mine. Most a-holes I've encountered are hunters or paladins.

My comment regarding content is based on my experiences across the life of the game; It hasn't always been great because thats just how interacting with people can be, but so far in legion i haven't had a decent group experience yet.

Your comments on tanks and dps not paying attention hold true, although as a tank player I can safely say that my mitigation spells are almost always in use. My self heals are for emergencies only, which shouldn't be if the healer is paying attention. But I get that they're there for a reason.

I dunno, maybe I posted so much whining because of the gakky day I had in WoW, wasn't great to hear repeatedly that I sucked because I wasn't out dpsing a rogue as a tank.

 Frankenberry wrote:
My self heals are for emergencies only, which shouldn't be if the healer is paying attention. But I get that they're there for a reason.

No, they aren't.

The days of healers keeping everyone, including the tank, at or near 100% heal are over. All tanks have some ability to self heal, some better than others (sorry, warriors!), and Protection Paladins have a pretty decent one with Light of the Protector, which is off the GCD and has a 15 second cooldown and is buffed by 20% when standing in Consecration. You need to use as part of your normal rotation and always while standing in Consecration.

Lay on Hands is something you need to save for an emergency.

Oh yeah, you're a prot paladin? Your selfheal is rotational and you should use it pretty much on cooldown!

I assumed you were a monk or something, and honestly, warriors do not need a selfheal with their craycray absorb shields.

As a proud blood DK I know the value of selfhealing well.

I had an archaeology quest in a pvp world quest area last night. Some wizard tried freezing me so I dropped Mother Matron Maleveloence on top of him, then stunlocked him to death. That was my first pvp kill ever that wasn't in a battleground. Then he came back with a full group and steamrolled me.. but it's always fun ganking a ganker. I started out on a PVP server way back when the game first launched, but it got real old real fast.

I got 4 pieces of my class gear now, but I'm finding better gear in PUGs. I'm up to I think 825 item level now. I just had to dump 10k resources to research something so I can't afford to buy the armor upgrade thingies just yet. I don't think I can do those rare missions yet anyway, figured out that if the mission is blue, you need blue followers to do them.. so far only have 1, but working on it. the rest are green right now.

After farming the Darkmoon trinket on my scribe, I finally hit 853 item level, which I feel will be enough for the Nightmare on heroic. I am so ready for when the raids release in Europe later today (US has already had them for a day. :( )

 Necros wrote:
I don't think I can do those rare missions yet anyway, figured out that if the mission is blue, you need blue followers to do them.. so far only have 1, but working on it. the rest are green right now.

No you don't.

Blue (rare) follower missions are triggered by follower item level, not quality. You can read more about it here.

Ah, I assumed it was because he was blue but he's also the only one with an item level higher than the mission was. Guess I'll have to work on raising all of them. Is there a max to their item levels? And if I crank up the level really high will they take up more of the % off the mission?

Yes, item level does help with missions. The max is 850.

 Necros wrote:
Is there a max to their item levels?

Yes, ilvl 850. Chances are that this will probably increase as the expansion goes along.

And if I crank up the level really high will they take up more of the % off the mission?

Yes, there's a bunch of formulas the game uses to figure mission success percentage and the link in my last post goes over them. A champion's base contribution to mission success chance is increase with their item level, but that eventually caps out. However, the rare dungeon missions have a -15% completion chance and raid missions have a -25% completion chance baked into them.

I was clearing out the last bit of the Stormheim quest chain, and the game went stop-motion on me...

I'd really like to know what's up with the DDOS attacks that Blizzard is reporting.

People angry over overwatch bans? Blizzard has been handing out bans for cheating quite a bit and people have been stupidly angry enough to try and attack them on bigger days.

I managed to finish my demon hunter quest line last night, was pretty cool. I got an extra upgrade for my artifact weapon and replaced one of my older ones, I didn't notice I had that 3rd slot that opened up. Oh well.

I've also been spending all of my resources cranking up my class armor levels, I have 5 pieces now at 230 each. Gonna be tough to get them all though because I hate rep grinding .. especially when I can only get like a few hundred points a day only with world quests now :(

 Necros wrote:
I managed to finish my demon hunter quest line last night, was pretty cool. I got an extra upgrade for my artifact weapon and replaced one of my older ones, I didn't notice I had that 3rd slot that opened up. Oh well.

Getting that third relic slot open is awesome; it gives you a nice jump in item level.

I've also been spending all of my resources cranking up my class armor levels, I have 5 pieces now at 230 each. Gonna be tough to get them all though because I hate rep grinding .. especially when I can only get like a few hundred points a day only with world quests now :(

Don't bother doing that unless it's a really good pieces for your spec. Use those resources to upgrade you order hall and artifact knowledge first.

So, my luck right now has been ridiculous. After getting 2 Legendaries and pretty much all the mythic warforged gear I need on my lock, I ran Emerald Nightmare last night on my Warrior Alt (hardly 818 ilvl). Ended up getting a Legendary ring on him, followed by the Swift Ram finally dropping from Coren Direbrew! It's the end of the world, I tell ya!

Yeah I was actually just thinking I wasted all those resources upgrading my class armor for nothing. It's like every time I do that, I finish a quest and suddenly find something better to replace it. So yeah I'm just gonna save my resources for the research and stuff now.

I'm also working on the the pathfinder achievement. I got all the maps done, all I have left is to finish like 30 more world quests, and then I have to finish the surumar quests, but I seem to be stuck.. I have a quest where I need to be revered with nightfallen, so I guess the rest open up when I get there? Or are there even more where I'll end up needing to be exalted?

Yes, you will indeed end up needing exalted.

figures .. I dunno if I'm up for that much of a rep grind, I'd probably just do without then unless I eventually get it through regular questing some day. I like Legion a lot so far, but it seems like there's a lot of purposely added time sink stuff to the point where it's kind of annoying at times. Guess they don't want people to burn through the new content too fast.

 Necros wrote:
figures .. I dunno if I'm up for that much of a rep grind, I'd probably just do without then unless I eventually get it through regular questing some day. I like Legion a lot so far, but it seems like there's a lot of purposely added time sink stuff to the point where it's kind of annoying at times. Guess they don't want people to burn through the new content too fast.

It's not hard to get there just by doing the world quests in Suramar every day. Sure it'll take a while, but I only play maybe an hour a day, a bit more on weekends and I'm sitting at close to halfway through revered just by doing the world quests. It's definitely doable.