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I never planned to play Tau Empire as I only wanted to use suits, thus I don't own any Firewarriors and I'm not really looking forward to get them.

I want to still use FSC and as it is a dataslate, do you think it is still valid? Does adding the formation to the new Tau codex invalidate the dataslate or not?

If it is in the codex, then its datasheet has been updated, just like any of the other units in the codex.

That having been said, if your group is cool playing against the old version, then have fun.

If you are playing with the new codex, then the dataslate has been outdated and you should use the new FSC. (unless your opponent agrees to it)

Using the new formations it is still possible to make a list with just suits. Firewarrios would only be a requirement with the Hunter Contingent and the Core formation (name escapes me)

The Retaliation formation is another that can be made of just suits in addition to the new FSC which both can be used on their own.

That's the problem, isn't it? In digital age they can upgrade the rules but the dataslate still gives the old formation rules. On the other hand I did not pay for the current rules, I would never have bought them with these rules.

There is nothing in the dataslate saying I could not use them or in Codex: Tau Empire that their formation invalidated the dataslate.

GW being sloppy again?

The dataslate is no longer for sale on their website, which is probably why they haven't bothered to update existing copies to the new rules.

Yup. The Dataslate is an outdated and out of print version of a Formation currently available in the new Codex Tau Empire. Using it would be equivalent to using any other outdated rules source. It would be like wanting to use the 6th Edition Codex Space Marines after the 7th Edition version was released. Your friends may very well have no issue with it, but most people you'll meet in a store and almost every organized event is going to require the latest version of rules for your models.

Which I can't get as they are not updating the dataslate

I would not use the outdated rules, though.

Naw wrote:
Which I can't get as they are not updating the dataslate

I would not use the outdated rules, though.

You can't get the new rules? They are available in both Codex Tau Empire and War Zone Damocles Kauyon.

New rules for Tau Empire that I do not even play? Yes, that makes sense. My point is that the dataslate is digital, it can be updated but it has not been updated after Tau Empire codex came out. The dataslate does not say I need the codex for it, nothing like that is implied. I bought the dataslate, I do not want the codex, okay?

Naw wrote:
I bought the dataslate, I do not want the codex, okay?

The dataslate has been superseded by the new one of the same name in the codex, making the old digital one invalid. It's that simple. You don't get to play with the out of date rules, okay?

Sorry, I am not arguing that the dataslate is valid. I'm just surprised that GW cannot update their digital product at this point.

I'll accept this and wait for the updated FE instead.

They can update it. Same as they could have released a FAQ to update the old 6th ed codex to the new rules. They don't do that, however.

If you haven't bought the new codex (or campaign book) and therefore are still using just the Tau 6th edition book alone with none of the new rules, using the dataslate which was tied to 6th edition codex should not be an issue.

If you are using the new 7th edition codex rules, you should then be using the 7th edition version of that formation.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
They can update it. Same as they could have released a FAQ to update the old 6th ed codex to the new rules. They don't do that, however.

Yes, that is unfortunate, and a pity. I'm not going to pay anymore for these dataslates.

Naw wrote:
New rules for Tau Empire that I do not even play? Yes, that makes sense. My point is that the dataslate is digital, it can be updated but it has not been updated after Tau Empire codex came out. The dataslate does not say I need the codex for it, nothing like that is implied. I bought the dataslate, I do not want the codex, okay?

Wait... You don't play the Faction, but you're upset that when they updated the datasheet, they incorporated it in to the larger codex? You need the codex to run the dataslate, technically (yes, portions of it are in the edataslate for convenience, but it is meant only for convenience). Now they are all in one place.

But if you don't plan on running the Faction, you don't need the Dataslate, now do you?

Sounds like someone is complaining about nothing. Previously, you had to purchase the Codex AND the Dataslate. Now you just need to purchase the Codex. There is no longer a need to purchase the Dataslate separately as it's been rolled into the Codex.

Purchasing an updated Codex from time to time is sort of a given. So far as I'm concerned, this is flat out cheaper now.

Guys, he's complaining because FSC dataslate let other armies to field it as an ally. Without it being updated, he'll need the codex to use the FSC with other armies - and he's not seeing the value on that, as the codex is much more valuable for someone who plays the faction as a primary faction (not an ally).

But it makes no sense to update only the FSC datasheet; if they did that, they'd have to offer the other formations' datasheets as separate parts. They opted for putting them inside the codex and be done with it.

If you want to use FSC, get the codex. No way outside that.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guys, he's complaining because FSC dataslate let other armies to field it as an ally. Without it being updated, he'll need the codex to use the FSC with other armies - and he's not seeing the value on that, as the codex is much more valuable for someone who plays the faction as a primary faction (not an ally).

But it makes no sense to update only the FSC datasheet; if they did that, they'd have to offer the other formations' datasheets as separate parts. They opted for putting them inside the codex and be done with it.

If you want to use FSC, get the codex. No way outside that.

It also ignores the other benefits as well. You get more Formations to Ally in, and have the rules for setting up Allied Detachments as well.

Now, where did I put that violin, I just had it, but it is so tiny...

Charistoph wrote:
Now, where did I put that violin, I just had it, but it is so tiny...

I think I see that Deathskull Ork boy over there with it. He said you were okay with him borrowing it but he needed to paint it blue first

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guys, he's complaining because FSC dataslate let other armies to field it as an ally. Without it being updated, he'll need the codex to use the FSC with other armies - and he's not seeing the value on that, as the codex is much more valuable for someone who plays the faction as a primary faction (not an ally).

But it makes no sense to update only the FSC datasheet; if they did that, they'd have to offer the other formations' datasheets as separate parts. They opted for putting them inside the codex and be done with it.

If you want to use FSC, get the codex. No way outside that.

Thanks, this is what I meant. The thread started as a question of the validity (and wad quickly answered) but then I started to wonder why the digital material was not updated accordingly. It shouldn't be hard to keep the material updated.

It isnt hard. It just also isnt something you can expect, given GW track record; they dont usually give away things fro free

Naw wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:
Guys, he's complaining because FSC dataslate let other armies to field it as an ally. Without it being updated, he'll need the codex to use the FSC with other armies - and he's not seeing the value on that, as the codex is much more valuable for someone who plays the faction as a primary faction (not an ally).

But it makes no sense to update only the FSC datasheet; if they did that, they'd have to offer the other formations' datasheets as separate parts. They opted for putting them inside the codex and be done with it.

If you want to use FSC, get the codex. No way outside that.

Thanks, this is what I meant. The thread started as a question of the validity (and wad quickly answered) but then I started to wonder why the digital material was not updated accordingly. It shouldn't be hard to keep the material updated.

Because now it's offered in the codex. They want you to buy the codex, not get a free update on stuff you already paid for!