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2015/11/12 14:59:10
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
When I started, my first taste of the 40K universe was via Space Marine (what became epic) and it was the Heresy then.. most of our battles in my first few years where Marine vs Marine.. and I'll be right there again if that's the route they take.
My poor wallet.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
2015/11/12 15:00:25
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
As long as it doesn't come with those tapes again: "'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go"
feth me, I found one of the tapes on youtube. You had to play this while playing
"..Two Carpet Tiles and a gerbal in a capri!"
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2015/11/12 15:03:12
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
1. Looks like GW realized that they could try to get some of the money that they're not making from the Oldhammer movement,
2. There is no way I'd be interested in specialist stuff at modern GW prices.
Which brings me to
3. For me, these games never left - Except for BFG, they're all on my shelves.
I think that's what worries me so much about this announcement.
The first is that we may see these rules updated by GW's current team. The only reason they've stood the test of time and been popular despite the lack of direct support is because the rules are still pretty good (since they were written by all the Old Guard). Can you imagine GW's current bunch of no-names trying to update Blood Bowl? Or BFG?
The second is the prices. Like the HH in plastic, this is another "smash in case of emergency" option by GW, and I'd put money down that we'll see stuff like 5 plastic 6mm Leman Russ' for $50, or Space Marine battle group in 6mm for $150.
Probably the best post to date on the subject. Have an exalt.
Still disgusted at the hypocrisy from some people regarding this announcement, especially when certain dakka members swore blood oaths never to buy GW stuff ever again.
If people want to buy GW stuff and enjoy their stuff, that is their God given right, but please do me a favour:
Months down the line, when GW screw somebody else over a la chapterhouse, or ditch one of these games (again) please don't whine about it on dakka.
You'll get zero sympathy from me.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/11/12 15:06:32
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
I meant "sense of scale" in more poetic terms; when I play a game of BFG I'm controlling a fleet of ships that are kilometres-long, commanding crews that number in the tens of thousands, throwing away attack craft markers that represent whole squadrons and unleashing torpedoes the size of skyscrapers by the dozen. In fluff terms, BFG battles can decide the fate of whole sectors of space, Dropfleet seems to be equivalent to taking command of a couple of escorts and some troop landers during one single wave of a planetary assault. There's nothing wrong with it if that's what you're into, but I enjoy that "grand armada" feeling even if mechanically there's not a huge amount of difference beyond one game playing out on a starfield table and the other a high-orbit-planet-texture table.
Torpedoes are (...) designed to be capital ship killers and are massive, building sized ordnance. - From Update #8 on the DfCKS
DfC is VERY similar, maybe you should just take a look at it before dismissing it. DfC goes from fighter/bomber squadrons up to battleships.
IIRC the Scale of DfC is 1:15,000 and the largest ships are roughly up to 3km long, so they're not that much smaller than BFG Battleships (up to 4.5km). Considering 40ks "slight tendency" to oversize the everliving gak out of everything it's quite impressive that DfC comes that close in size.
2015/11/12 15:18:39
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
Still disgusted at the hypocrisy from some people regarding this announcement, especially when certain dakka members swore blood oaths never to buy GW stuff ever again.
If people want to buy GW stuff and enjoy their stuff, that is their God given right, but please do me a favour:
Months down the line, when GW screw somebody else over a la chapterhouse, or ditch one of these games (again) please don't whine about it on dakka.
You'll get zero sympathy from me.
Well, it's kind of like a hopeful dream for a bunch of people that got brushed off by GW.
I swore off GW models for years, and then picked up a bunch of Empire stuff second hand for a KoW army (second one will be fully Mantic, though).
And, playing devil's advocate here, what happens if they smash the ball out of the park on these? What if FW's team is enough old-school GW to keep the rules mostly intact, and offer the minis at an acceptable (not great, but acceptable) price?
I don't think that'll happen, though. The only reason why the HH game sold so well is because it's cheap compared to the insane FW prices. And you can't tell me the models on the market nowadays, like all the various teams for Blood Bowl, aren't better than what GW offer, or would cost less.
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Thing is, those rules exist, and aren't going anywhere. If the new (and, let's not forget, autonomous, with a heavy FW element) studio comes up with new versions that are fun, then great. If they feth it up, then at least we'll have already supply of models that means anyone wanting to start up won't have to scratch around on eBay at the mercy of price gougers and the vagaries of availability.
Given the declared independence (and FW already pretty much operate that way, so there's no reason to really worry about meddling) and the existence of rule sets that are generally regarded as solid, I don't think there's any real reason to be pessimistic.
Just yet.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
It's getting harder and harder to hate GW every day. We get a well priced HH game, two awesome looking video games, and now the promise of BFG and other stuff. Life is good...
Quite excited about this, I still never managed to get my epic armies finished.
Would like a few more blood bowl teams and another pitch for the collection would be nice too.
I am a fan of DC but while being decent, it is not a patch on the original epic scale games from GW.
It would not surprise me if this was the plan all along, stop support initially and then re release them again at a later date.
we all know how GW adore the Limited Edition model and because they have not been around for a while, fans will get excited about these titles being re released again as we can already see.
Its a good call, apart from AOS , their approach seems to be working on the whole, who needs market research eh ?
2015/11/12 15:23:09
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
Still disgusted at the hypocrisy from some people regarding this announcement, especially when certain dakka members swore blood oaths never to buy GW stuff ever again.
If people want to buy GW stuff and enjoy their stuff, that is their God given right, but please do me a favour:
Months down the line, when GW screw somebody else over a la chapterhouse, or ditch one of these games (again) please don't whine about it on dakka.
You'll get zero sympathy from me.
Well, it's kind of like a hopeful dream for a bunch of people that got brushed off by GW.
I swore off GW models for years, and then picked up a bunch of Empire stuff second hand for a KoW army (second one will be fully Mantic, though).
And, playing devil's advocate here, what happens if they smash the ball out of the park on these? What if FW's team is enough old-school GW to keep the rules mostly intact, and offer the minis at an acceptable (not great, but acceptable) price?
I don't think that'll happen, though. The only reason why the HH game sold so well is because it's cheap compared to the insane FW prices. And you can't tell me the models on the market nowadays, like all the various teams for Blood Bowl, aren't better than what GW offer, or would cost less.
I'm just struggling to understand the mentality of some people regarding this 'announcement.'
You have two option when it comes to buying mini wargames stuff these days.
1) GW, a company that treats customers and retailers like dirt, churns out rubbish rule sets, over-priced models and has a track record of not giving two hoots about the gaming community.
2) Various companies that listen to their customers, accept feedback, write great rule sets, sell models at a reasonable price, and bend over backwards to work with retailers and the gaming community.
And dakka's reaction? Option 1! Take my money GW. Take my money!!!
A massive WTF is going on here!!!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/11/12 15:34:18
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
I am tempted however to buy up some of the 6mm Baccus Victorian British to represent Praetorian IG at a Regiment rather than Company level. They even produce Lancers and Artillery for Rough Riders and Heavy Squads. No Victorian era Ogryns though!
Still disgusted at the hypocrisy from some people regarding this announcement, especially when certain dakka members swore blood oaths never to buy GW stuff ever again.
If people want to buy GW stuff and enjoy their stuff, that is their God given right, but please do me a favour:
Months down the line, when GW screw somebody else over a la chapterhouse, or ditch one of these games (again) please don't whine about it on dakka.
You'll get zero sympathy from me.
Well, it's kind of like a hopeful dream for a bunch of people that got brushed off by GW.
I swore off GW models for years, and then picked up a bunch of Empire stuff second hand for a KoW army (second one will be fully Mantic, though).
And, playing devil's advocate here, what happens if they smash the ball out of the park on these? What if FW's team is enough old-school GW to keep the rules mostly intact, and offer the minis at an acceptable (not great, but acceptable) price?
I don't think that'll happen, though. The only reason why the HH game sold so well is because it's cheap compared to the insane FW prices. And you can't tell me the models on the market nowadays, like all the various teams for Blood Bowl, aren't better than what GW offer, or would cost less.
I'm just struggling to understand the mentality of some people regarding this 'announcement.'
You have two option when it comes to buying mini wargames stuff these days.
1) GW, a company that treats customers and retailers like dirt, churns out rubbish rule sets, over-priced models and has a track record of not giving two hoots about the gaming community.
2) Various companies that listen to their customers, accept feedback, write great rule sets, sell models at a reasonable price, and bend over backwards to work with retailers and the gaming community.
And dakka's reaction? Option 1! Take my money GW. Take my money!!!
A massive WTF is going on here!!!
Well, nostalgia.
Also, GW produces some of the best looking (imo) miniatures. I can't get Space Marines anywhere else. I can't get flying gothic cathedrals with tons of weapons anywhere else.
Sure, Infinity has fantastic miniatures and a cool skirmish ruleset. But what if you don't like the anime stlye?
2015/11/12 15:45:00
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
Kap'n Krump wrote: I always thought battlefleet gothic sounded like fun.
yeah! I bought some ships without buying the rules. After I got the rules I saw that I didn't have enough ships. Now I will be able to complete my fleet!
Hopefully they don't release the ships in metal, those things are unwieldy
2015/11/12 15:52:01
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
Ketara wrote: So to conclude, Forgeworld is expanding into a new 'specialist Games', in which they're going to do the ongoing support for lesser ranges, releasing the occasional new thing in differerent formats, and if something sells well enough, they'll have the authority to get it turned into plastic.
My read of Hastings' statements is that they might be a little more aggressive than that. As in not just going the old SG route of posting old rules PDFs and re-releasing old models, but actually producing new versions of the older games, minis and all.
And while I get the kneejerk reaction to the concept of "new rules for old games," it's important to note that FW has done a very good job with the rules for 30K, AND that if the new rules aren't any good, those communities will just stick with the older rules and enjoy the availability of new minis.
Still disgusted at the hypocrisy from some people regarding this announcement, especially when certain dakka members swore blood oaths never to buy GW stuff ever again.
If people want to buy GW stuff and enjoy their stuff, that is their God given right, but please do me a favour:
Months down the line, when GW screw somebody else over a la chapterhouse, or ditch one of these games (again) please don't whine about it on dakka.
You'll get zero sympathy from me.
Well, it's kind of like a hopeful dream for a bunch of people that got brushed off by GW.
I swore off GW models for years, and then picked up a bunch of Empire stuff second hand for a KoW army (second one will be fully Mantic, though).
And, playing devil's advocate here, what happens if they smash the ball out of the park on these? What if FW's team is enough old-school GW to keep the rules mostly intact, and offer the minis at an acceptable (not great, but acceptable) price?
I don't think that'll happen, though. The only reason why the HH game sold so well is because it's cheap compared to the insane FW prices. And you can't tell me the models on the market nowadays, like all the various teams for Blood Bowl, aren't better than what GW offer, or would cost less.
I'm just struggling to understand the mentality of some people regarding this 'announcement.'
You have two option when it comes to buying mini wargames stuff these days.
1) GW, a company that treats customers and retailers like dirt, churns out rubbish rule sets, over-priced models and has a track record of not giving two hoots about the gaming community.
2) Various companies that listen to their customers, accept feedback, write great rule sets, sell models at a reasonable price, and bend over backwards to work with retailers and the gaming community.
And dakka's reaction? Option 1! Take my money GW. Take my money!!!
A massive WTF is going on here!!!
The only hypocrisy here is from those who bashed GW while continuing to hand them cash every week.
Nearly any company of notable size behaves badly in some form or other if you look hard enough. If that's your sole metric for who you give your custom, you'll have a hard time feeding yourself, clothing yourself, getting well if you get sick, communicating with anyone that isn't in the same room as you etc etc. Not to diminish the reprehensible behaviour of any company, but anyone criticising GWsolelyfor their bad behaviour is, in the majority of cases, likely supporting someone else who is guilty of far greater sins, possibly even in the process of posting a GW bashing post.
So, if one removes the, sadly fairly typical, bad corporate behaviour from the equation, the core argument you're left with is "GW does not a product that represents sufficient value of quality to justify the price." Which is my own personal angle. If that changes, then so does my viewpoint.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm just struggling to understand the mentality of some people regarding this 'announcement.'
Seems fairly simple -- most people don't hate GW as much as you do. You're allowed your opinion, but so are they.
But as I say, the same people will be clogging up the forums with their anti-GW rants anytime soon.
The whole thing just gets...boring after a while.
And for the record, I don't hate GW, I just dislike them
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2015/11/12 15:59:32
Subject: New Games Workshop Specialist Studio - Including LOTR, Epic, BFG - Multiple stores confirming!
