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6mm (which would be more like 8mm for GW these days) allows for enough detail to differentiate between armour variants on infantry.

But it's vehicles and other engines that would make 30k. Who wouldn't want squadrons of Sicarians, Proteus' or Triaros on the battlefield?

What if they made Epic in 15mm just to blow everyone's mind?

Also, invalidating everything you already own (in their minds) and making everyone buy the new scale.


MUAHAHHAAHAHAHA!

 TalonZahn wrote:
What if they made Epic in 15mm just to blow everyone's mind?

Also, invalidating everything you already own (in their minds) and making everyone buy the new scale.


MUAHAHHAAHAHAHA!

The weird thing is... I would LOVE that. 40k is so bloated with game sizes, super-heavies, etc... that I think the game itself would be more conducive to play at 15mm. So some weird hybrid game would thrill me, and bankrupt me. :-p Flames of 40k? Ok!

 TalonZahn wrote:
What if they made Epic in 15mm just to blow everyone's mind?

Also, invalidating everything you already own (in their minds) and making everyone buy the new scale.


MUAHAHHAAHAHAHA!

Duh. Nostalgia.



Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

ced1106 wrote:


Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

Nope, I am too. But, as long as they don't introduce Sigmarine characters and continue to include the random event tables (Run to an old dears aid, end up being mugged!)

Ten years, dozens of Kickstarters, and plenty of other board-games later, I still have yet to find a game that matches Warhammer Quest's ambition, and scope/diversity.

It will apparently forever be my go-to campaign game, so a new version would see me throw a pile of money at them barring a catastrophic rules re-write. :-p

 TalonZahn wrote:
What if they made Epic in 15mm just to blow everyone's mind?

Also, invalidating everything you already own (in their minds) and making everyone buy the new scale.


MUAHAHHAAHAHAHA!

I'd be more likely to buy more than if it stayed 6mm. The way I see it, given GW's technology they should make vehicles and super-heavies multi-part kits and scale the game to accommodate a level of customization where you can distinguish the different sponson options that could conceivably be switched out.

ced1106 wrote:
Duh. Nostalgia.



Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

No my friend, it is at the top of my wishlist.

15mm would ruin Epic for me.

It wouldn't be much differant from some 40k games (or indeed FoW) you see. Lots of models crammed on to a 6x4 table with no room for manoeuvre. It really would loose allot from such a move.

Also painting smaller scales is far easier than larger scales. You achieve allot with simple drybrushing and washes. Once they're on the table you're not going to see much/and detail on them anyway.

The same is true of Warmasters 10mm figures too.

Don't get me wrong, I would hope for a return Epic in 6mm.

Although, the 15mm market has not been explored/exploited by GW yet and Epic could really put the hammer down on it.

I understand that the current military games that hold that market don't "usually" compete directly with it, but in my case it would shutdown any other 15mm purchases.

It would be all Epic, all the time.

Well.. 15mm already has things that can be fudged into not-40k.. Frankly, I think with the scope of regular 28mm Apocalypse matches, they would hope to shoot even bigger with the scope of Epic... which.. is how it should be anyway. With old Epic pricing our matches ended up being a couple of vehicles, a couple of big stompy things, and a few stands of troops.. So, I'm hoping they make it so that you are intended to field massive amounts and they can offset it by releasing big boxes at more sane prices but requiring a bigger minimum size.

EDIT: Changed my wording.. I'm hoping for 6-10mm epic but that wasn't clear the way I worded it previously.

15mm (1:100) would see a Leman Russ tank at approximately 6cm long. IMHO, that's too big for Epic with their huge tanks. 10mm would be the absolute largest scale for Epic, IMHO.

ced1106 wrote:
Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

Nope. I've been championing that for years. Hell, I think they should've done a one-and-done 2nd Ed of Quest ala the current Space Hulk. Put 8 heroes into one box, put in some special character enemies (ie. roll the Orc and Undead supplements into the one box), and put it out with wonderful new plastics. Would'a been amazing.

I guess it could happen now.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Necros wrote:

There are a lot of space ship combat games out there now though, I think BFG might be tougher to pull off or at least bring in new blood, when there's games like X-Wing out there now. There will always be die hards and if the new game is chock full of new models and not just more copies of the same old cruisers then it would probably do well.

I think there is something to be said for approaching a revamped BFG in stages, first where it only need a few ships and eventually with larger fleets. Its the same approach FFG has taken with Star Wars Armada I think makes the game more palatable to wallets and lowering the barrier to entry. Also by making the main emphasis of the game on smaller sized engagements and allowing players to escalate the game retains a sense of scope where individual ships are important.

I'd much prefer they go the Halo route tbh; give us a box with two opposing fleets just like the original BFG, only with the advantages of modern plastics tech cram the box with ships, eg rather than just 4v4 cruisers, whack in a battleship, a couple of cruiser squadrons, a light cruiser squadron, and a couple of escort blobs for either side. Then they can release themed expansion boxes with other fleets. And they absolutely should just "copy the same old" designs, that aesthetic is part of what makes the game.

Also, since people keep bringing it up; I really think folk are mistaken in assuming the majority of people share this view that all games of a certain type are interchangeable, people like what they like, and if BFG appeals to them they'll play BFG whether they presently play something else or not. If I fancy a chocolate ice-cream, you're not going to persuade me a strawberry ice-cream is equivalent with a "hey, they're both ice-cream, right?" argument.

 notprop wrote:
15mm would ruin Epic for me.

It wouldn't be much differant from some 40k games (or indeed FoW) you see. Lots of models crammed on to a 6x4 table with no room for manoeuvre. It really would loose allot from such a move.

Also painting smaller scales is far easier than larger scales. You achieve allot with simple drybrushing and washes. Once they're on the table you're not going to see much/and detail on them anyway.

The same is true of Warmasters 10mm figures too.

I think 10mm is more suitable for epic than 15mm. Like you say 15mm is really the scale that a game like 40k should be and that's very different scope than epic. However if we think of epic as being a better way of handling a large Apocalypse game it kinda allows a something just smaller than 15mm to back into a 10mm pretty well.

I think its just important that GW takes advantage of this and fix the scale. They modeled infantry at one scale, tanks yet another, flyers at another, and titans again at another.

For me what's most important are Titans, because they're the models that most distinguish the epic scaled game. None of the epic titan models were modeled to scale with the infantry. The infantry was 6mm, the tank were 1/300th, and the titans were closer to 1/350. As the titans get larger the discrepancy seems greater. Ask yourself, how big does an Emperor class titan model have to be that you could conceivably place 6-10mm infantry models in its battlements? -It should be a model somewhere between a 40k Dreadknight and a 40k Imperial Knight.

Yodhrin - I think it's more about genre.. For example.. I like sci-fi movies.. while I don't automatically like a movie on that merit alone, I will pick a sci-fi film over a rom-com. Moreover, I have a soft spot for space opera. I will pretty much go see a space opera on the sheer fact of it being a space opera alone. Obviously everyone isn't that way but there are a pretty good many people who will see any horror movie.. or any Alien movie.. or any anime.. etc. I don't think anyone was trying to paint with a broad stroke so much as just acknowledging people's tendencies to gravitate towards things they have a predilection for.

 Ghaz wrote:
15mm (1:100) would see a Leman Russ tank at approximately 6cm long. IMHO, that's too big for Epic with their huge tanks. 10mm would be the absolute largest scale for Epic, IMHO.

That would work for me. I could use it with dropzone commander then (which I haven't gotten into because none of the factions appeal to me overall) if the rules suck.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ced1106 wrote:
Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

Nope. I've been championing that for years. Hell, I think they should've done a one-and-done 2nd Ed of Quest ala the current Space Hulk. Put 8 heroes into one box, put in some special character enemies (ie. roll the Orc and Undead supplements into the one box), and put it out with wonderful new plastics. Would'a been amazing.

I guess it could happen now.

Are we talking about Advanced HeroQuest? That was one of my favorite games of all time Great solo game, where you could roll up your map sections, explore dungeon, level up, etc. Kind of like a miniatures version of any number of dungeon crawlers for PC/tablet/phone. For some reason, I always find that anything with actual minis is better than on a screen

I always thought they could keep going with expansions for these things, and even use existing model sprues instead of inventing new ones. Would give me an excuse to buy & paint Fantasy models

 Breotan wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

notprop wrote:Here's a question: What flavour Epic do we want; 30k or 40k?

SM Legion Tanks or Tau & Tyranids?

Logic says 40k but my heart wants squadrons of Sicaran tanks flying all over the place!

Both?

There's very little 30K specific, most of the big stuff has 40£ rules too, so I think both is feasible. Perhaps with different unit setups?

At that scale, there isn't enough detail on the model to showcase the difference in armor variants. I suggest make models for 40k and then put out 30k specific campaign books to fill that market niche.

...yeah, about that...

 Talys wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ced1106 wrote:
Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

Nope. I've been championing that for years. Hell, I think they should've done a one-and-done 2nd Ed of Quest ala the current Space Hulk. Put 8 heroes into one box, put in some special character enemies (ie. roll the Orc and Undead supplements into the one box), and put it out with wonderful new plastics. Would'a been amazing.

I guess it could happen now.

Are we talking about Advanced HeroQuest?

No.

Warhammer Quest.

I'm surprised such a hardcore GWphile doesn't know of it.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

ced1106 wrote:
Still, am I and only one other poster here hoping Warhammer Quest will come back?

Nope. I've been championing that for years. Hell, I think they should've done a one-and-done 2nd Ed of Quest ala the current Space Hulk. Put 8 heroes into one box, put in some special character enemies (ie. roll the Orc and Undead supplements into the one box), and put it out with wonderful new plastics. Would'a been amazing.

I guess it could happen now.

With dozens of mini expansions with exquisite resin minis and multiple PC packs as far as the eye can see for years, and years, and years...

 Albertorius wrote:
...yeah, about that...

You can even recognize the bolter pattern on those guys.

 Azreal13 wrote:
With dozens of mini expansions with exquisite resin minis and multiple PC packs as far as the eye can see for years, and years, and years...

I'd be quite happy with a big deluxe box of the same quality as the most recent Space Hulk. If that's all we get, then I'll be fine.

Hmm, someone is showing my 6mm Marines.

These are fannade privat sculpts.
I presume GW could do the same quality, or?

Truth is Epic can be done in any scale from 6-15mm, it would all work as far as the models are concerned and even with the existing Armageddon rules.

And the Horus Heresy is just begging to be done in a grander scale! I am most curious what will come out of this.

For Epic, I want FW to do Mars and Lucius pattern titans, scaled down from their 28mm versions (or slightly scaled up from the old epic FW lucius reaver and metal GW lucius warlord to be properly scaled vs infantry.

Actually 15mm would be a good idea for epic, everything roughly half the size of the 40 equivalent and there's already a lot of terrain out there on the market thanks to games like FOW. Or, would some of the titans be too big and unwieldy at that size too?

Or for scale, take the new knights and shrink em down to be about the same size and bulk as a terminator, and then go up from there for the titans?

 Necros wrote:
Actually 15mm would be a good idea for epic, everything roughly half the size of the 40 equivalent and there's already a lot of terrain out there on the market thanks to games like FOW. Or, would some of the titans be too big and unwieldy at that size too?

15mm is too big.

10mm then compete with Drop Ship Thingo.

Are our old BFG ships still going to be any good? I tried to get into the game just before the decided to drop it, and think I still have a Gothic class cruiser around somewhere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


I'd be quite happy with a big deluxe box of the same quality as the most recent Space Hulk. If that's all we get, then I'll be fine.

Yup, they could create themed big boxes instead of all the little packs they had last time. Make the first an original heroes vs orcs box that includes the original 4 archetypes/heroes (or make that 6/8 for variety so people have a choice, whatever works with the amount of sprues they use) and the orc expansion with various orcs, goblins and related goons (save the spiders, minotaurs, and bats for other themed boxes). And the next year they could do an undead themed box (add the old expansion) with 4/6/8 heroes and a variety of skeletons/zombies/ghouls and two or three undead villains. The third box box can be another set of heroes (any permutation of useful archetypes that fits a theme) vs Skaven, or Beatsmen, exploring Lustria, a Kislevite version of a TARDIS-like baba yaga's hut, look for the grail for fun and profit, or raid a dark elves watchtower. I don't care, they could create one box a year for decades. Release them in october so they are ready for christmas and people can regularly add to their collection.

Give each box a set of basic magic items plus themed items and some basic tiles plus a bunch of themed tiles and make it all compatible (so you can mix any boxes you have for variations like in the old game). If they really need smaller expansion they could create veteran hero boxes (sized like a 40k or fantasy troop choice box) related to each of the big boxes with new monopose heroes but give each hero a few hand/weapon and head variations, as well as bits for added details to represent them as veterans. Also some bigger/badder villains and a new deck of item cards (as well as traps and encounters).

The Pathfinder Adventure Card Game seems to have takes the Warhammer Quest idea (one main game with many tiny add-ons) and made it work in a purely card based RPG game.