Terror Attack in Paris. update page 23

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**insaniak**

Grey Templar wrote:
I just don't think you can say something is appalling when its the best that currently exists.

Of course you can, if it's appalling.

Appalling would be an adjective I'd use to describe whichever is the worst, never the best option. It gives a false impression.

So the problem then is just that you have misunderstood what the word means.

'Appalling' means that something is horrifying or shocking, not that it is the worst.

1 in 5 women being a victim of domestic violence is horrifying. It's may not be the worst rate of domestic violence in the world (it's not). It may even be the best (it's not)... but that doesn't make it any less appalling a statistic.

**Grey Templar**

Thats not the only definition or way to interpret it. When you use it as a relative adjective the way you did it is misleading. But I'll just chalk it up to us being from different parts of the world and having regional idiosyncrasies.

**Ouze**

I dunno, I'm from the US and 20% sounds pretty appalling to me.

**Ashiraya**

And to me, as well. Unfortunately, that problem is not isolated to your country, either.

Anyway, back to the topic etc etc.

**Ahtman**

Ouze wrote:
I dunno, I'm from the US and 20% sounds pretty appalling to me.

And I agree, but I also don't think conflating 40% and 20% does anyone any favors, unless 'whataboutism' is all there really is. The problems of each is different and require different approaches, and trying to say we can't approach one because of the other is spurious.

**Ashiraya**

Ahtman wrote:
spurious.

Say what you want about the OT, it is very educational in terms of vocabulary.

**insaniak**

Nobody was conflating the two, nor were they saying that the issue shouldn't be addressed.
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**Frazzled**

d-usa wrote:
Obama is a pretty good President by that measure.

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whembly wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
How can the best treatment of women ever in history be classified as "appalling"? .

Because it is?

Better than it it used to be, is not synonymous with good.

How is it appalling?

Because statistically, between my wife, my mom, my daughter, my mother-in-law and my sister in law, one of them will be the victim of violence.

But I don't even have to wait, because the victim was both my mother and also my wife when she was a child.

Thats why Texas is more civilized. Women have the "he needed killin, you honor" defense. Once invoked, no further inquiry. If performed with a vehicle it is important to follow all traffic laws. Thats why mom ran Dad over with a golf cart. Twice.

**Jihadin**

Who are we comparing the word "appalling" to? Western Countries? ME Countries? SE Asia Countries? Latin America? In regards to abuse of females. We talking physical abuse? Verbal abuse? Sexual Abuse? Disfigurement? All the above?

**motyak**

Good question jihadin, how does this relate to the topic? This tangent is done. If it is worth a thread then make one. If not, back on topic.

Apparently I wasn't clear. Done with the whole gender thing, this is a thread, however loosely, about Paris. Take that discussion elsewhere

**Sigvatr**

BIg soccer game cancelled in Hannover, Germany (Germany vs. Netherlands) because of an info on a possible bombing attempt by a foreign security agency. Officials not giving any detailed info. No actual bomb found yet.

**LethalShade**

Sigvatr wrote:
BIg soccer game cancelled in Hannover, Germany (Germany vs. Netherlands) because of a bomb threat by a foreign security agency. Officials not giving any detailed info. No actual bomb found yet.

Yep, I heard about it one minute ago. Hope it was a false alert.

Our police forces are still searching for the two remaining terrorists, the one who rented the cars and the driver of said cars.

**d-usa**

Story I saw was a bomb in an ambulance?

**Sigvatr**

d-usa wrote:
Story I saw was a bomb in an ambulance?

Last info I got was that it's a hoax.

**master of ordinance**

Hows it going over there?

**Sigvatr**

No probs, no bomb found. French intelligence informed the DE government but it (luckily) turned out to be okay.

In general, a military intervention against the IS gets closer. France called it an act of war and thus triggered EU contracts asking other countries to join their military offensive. Glad to hear that our most worthy and loyal allies, the UK and US are fully behind them, offering support.

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Shootings between police and terrorists, possibly the last fleeing terrorist hiding. First unconfirmed news say that the scum maybe killed one police officer.

**LethalShade**

Two suspects are dead in Saint Denis, one was shot by a sniper and the second one blew herself up. Three others were arrested and a last one is barricaded in an apartment.

Three trucks full of soldiers are there.

(And they seem... Unwilling to take prisoners. Run you fethers, France isn't joking anymore)

**Dreadclaw69**

LethalShade wrote:
Two suspects are dead in Saint Denis, one was shot by a sniper and the second one blew herself up. Three others were arrested and a last one is barricaded in an apartment.

Three trucks full of soldiers are there.

(And they seem... Unwilling to take prisoners. Run you fethers, France isn't joking anymore)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34853657

Explosions and heavy gunfire were heard in Paris as armed police searching for suspects from Friday's attacks raided a flat in the suburb of Saint Denis.
Two people were killed in the raid, including a female suspect blew herself up with a suicide belt. Seven people have been arrested, police say.
A government spokesman has confirmed the operation has ended.
The focus of the raid is said to be the alleged mastermind of Friday's attacks that killed 129 people.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud, a 27-year-old Belgian of Moroccan origin, was originally suspected of organising Friday's attacks from Syria.
But this has not been confirmed.

Roads were blocked off around Rue de la Republique in Saint Denis, in the same district as the Stade de France where suicide attackers detonated bombs on Friday.
Truckloads of soldiers joined armed police at the scene as the operation got under way at 04:20 local time (03.20 GMT).
"I've been hearing gunshots continuously, like fireworks... There have been some breaks but... to me it sounds like continuous gunshots," one resident, Benson Hoi, told the BBC earlier.

Another witness, Amine Guizani, told the Associated Press he heard the sounds of grenades and automatic gunfire.
"They were shooting for an hour, non-stop. There were grenades. It was going, stopping, Kalashnikovs, Starting again," he said.
At least five people were believed to have been in the targeted third floor flat, French media report.

A woman inside the apartment set off an explosives vest at the beginning of the raid and died, the Paris prosecutor's office said.
The prosecutor said that, among the arrests, three men were detained in the apartment and a man and woman were stopped nearby.
Police said a second suspect was killed. France's BFMTV said he had been shot by sniper fire.
Five police officers were injured and a police dog was killed after entering the flat, police said.
There were unconfirmed reports that at least one suspect was still being sought - either holed up in the flat or on the run.

Earlier, Deputy Mayor Stephane Peu urged local residents to stay indoors, saying "it is not a new attack but a police intervention".

Security sources said on Tuesday that surveillance video showed a possible ninth assailant during Friday's attacks.
The video reportedly shows a third figure in the car carrying the group which attacked several bars and restaurants.
It is not clear if this ninth attacker is one of two suspected accomplices detained in Belgium or is someone still on the run.

The near simultaneous attacks on bars and restaurants, a concert hall and the Stade du France left more than 400 people wounded, with 221 still in hospital, 57 of them in intensive care.
European countries are on high alert. On Tuesday evening, a football friendly between Germany and the Netherlands was cancelled shortly before kick-off and the stadium in Hannover evacuated after "concrete" information about a bomb threat, according to the city's police chief.
Part of Hanover railway station was also closed while a suspicious object was investigated.
Meanwhile, two Air France planes heading to Paris from the US were diverted because of security threats. One was sent to Halifax in Canada, the other flew to Salt Lake City in the US state of Utah. Both planes landed safely and the passengers were unharmed.

What is Islamic State?
IS is a notoriously violent Islamist group which controls large parts of Syria and Iraq. It has declared its territory a caliphate - a state governed in accordance with Islamic law - under its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
What does it want?
IS demands allegiance from all Muslims, rejects national borders and seeks to expand its territory. It follows its own extreme version of Sunni Islam and regards non-believers as deserving of death.
How strong is IS?
IS projects a powerful image, partly through propaganda and sheer brutality, and is the world's richest insurgent group. It has about 30,000 fighters but is facing daily bombing by a US-led multi-national coalition, which has vowed to destroy it.

**reds8n**

RIP Diesel the dog.

**PrehistoricUFO**

French Police GOING IN DRY ON THESE FOOLS. Woke up to a bunch of News reports.

Female suicide bombers are now entering the play:

Forensic experts were examining the apartment after a female suspect killed herself by detonating a vest rigged with explosives at the start of the operation in Saint-Denis early Wednesday, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/shots-reported-paris-northern-saint-denis-area-151118034913465.html

**Ian Sturrock**

Look at that shield. We might finally see the end of those racist jokes about the French being cowards.

**LethalShade**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
Look at that shield. We might finally see the end of those racist jokes about the French being cowards.

*shrugs*

These jokes are kinda funny imo. Doubt these attacks will stop them.

**BrotherGecko**

I can't help but wonder what would happen if the US did a similar crack down and what they would find.

Still, France you keep doing you right now.

**LethalShade**

BrotherGecko wrote:
I can't help but wonder what would happen if the US did a similar crack down and what they would find.

Still, France you keep doing you right now.

Honestly ? Probably not as many wannabe terrorists. Not Islamic ones.
You do not seem to have a lot of alienated Muslim youths.

**d-usa**

LethalShade wrote:
BrotherGecko wrote:
I can't help but wonder what would happen if the US did a similar crack down and what they would find.

Still, France you keep doing you right now.

Honestly ? Probably not as many wannabe terrorists. Not Islamic ones.
You do not seem to have a lot of alienated Muslim youths.

It seems like your president is doing the opposite of what a lot of our politicians are doing: still welcoming refugees and realizing that they are not the problem here.

**Breotan**

LethalShade wrote:
Ian Sturrock wrote:
Look at that shield. We might finally see the end of those racist jokes about the French being cowards.

*shrugs*

These jokes are kinda funny imo. Doubt these attacks will stop them.

I dunno. If the French start kicking serious ass then I expect most of the joking will stop and you'll see a newfound respect.

**LethalShade**

Breotan wrote:
LethalShade wrote:
Ian Sturrock wrote:
Look at that shield. We might finally see the end of those racist jokes about the French being cowards.

*shrugs*

These jokes are kinda funny imo. Doubt these attacks will stop them.

I dunno. If the French start kicking serious ass then I expect most of the joking will stop and you'll see a newfound respect.

Hope so. Heard that some Americans already like us. Some.

~~American girls here I come~~ *BLAM* HERESY!

**jhe90**

French are pretty active in Africa etc, just no one ever seems to notice.

They can fight, just no one seems to be looking when they do. good thing about that, you have no UN or such fools getting in the way.

**d-usa**

LethalShade wrote:
Breotan wrote:
LethalShade wrote:
Ian Sturrock wrote:
Look at that shield. We might finally see the end of those racist jokes about the French being cowards.

*shrugs*

These jokes are kinda funny imo. Doubt these attacks will stop them.

I dunno. If the French start kicking serious ass then I expect most of the joking will stop and you'll see a newfound respect.

Hope so. Heard that some Americans already like us. Some.

It's interesting to see the change from 15 years ago when many of the same politicians were hating on France and stating that maybe they should be the next 9/11 style target to see what it feels like.

**daedalus**

LethalShade wrote:

Hope so. Heard that some Americans already like us. Some.

You DID impress me with a show of force I didn't think France was capable of.

~~American girls here I come~~ *BLAM* HERESY!

You wouldn't be able to get your arms around the waistline of an average American. Unless you're into that.