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Indeed... though I couldn't tell if serious or just really... out there. With links to comicvine and now this, it'll probably be better to stay away
And the Angels of Darkness descended on pinions of fire and light... the great and terrible dark angels.
He was not the golden lord. The Emperor will carry us to the stars, but never beyond them. My dreams will be lies, if a golden lord does not rise.
I look to the stars now, with the old scrolls burning runes across my memory. And I see my own hands as I write these words. Erebus and Kor Phaeron speak the truth.
All the deamon characters.
Soul grinder
40k weaponry in fantasy, including chainsword, power fist etc.
Liber chaotica books outright stating that it's possible for Chaos marines to turn up.
Deamon weapon in liber chaotica called "chainblade"
Chaos warriors "rending blade"
Note, I've never said they are the same universe, there not, they are connected through the warp, it touches all world and universes, this is also stated in several places. As stated, they have shown many times they are connected, in return, I've never seen evidence of this magical gw rep stating they are not connected.
Hm, I guess the Soul Grinder thing is kinda obvious and the Liber Chaotica thing too. I didn't know power fists and chainswords were in WFB. Is that a recent thing? I haven't seen any of that but maybe I'm not looking hard enough. The daemon characters don't mean much since they could just be two versions of the same characters and the background is tailored to the setting. And if they're connected through the Warp, isn't that the same as being in the same universe?
But I see where you're coming from. Interesting.
Power fist was 12 ish years ago if Albion campaign memory serves, chainsword was previous warriors of Chaos and dropped from the most recent version (called the rending blade).
The deamon characters are important as belakor was created in the fantasy universe and crossed over, and they are indeed 2 versions of the same character or manifested emotional force, and no being connected by the warp doesn't mean the same universe, the warp is not the same universe as the imperium occupies it is an alternate dimension, it sits along side all universes in all realities, but is a separate and District universe jn an of itself.
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
1.) The Emperor left most worlds to govern themselves, so long as they contributed to the War effort and subscribed to the Imperial Truth (as evidenced by Fallen Angels, Unremembered Empire, and A Thousand Sons).
2) The Emperor all but abolished slavery (as evidenced by Fear to Tread)
3.) There is no free will in Chaos. Chaos enslaves you mind, body, and soul (as evidenced by Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, The Blood Angels Omnibus, Space Wolves Omnibus, as well as virtually any other piece of fluff featuring Chaos).
4.) Every modern government employs brainwashing to some degree. The Emperor is hardly unique in this regard, not even in comparison to other great leaders in 40k.
5.) That last sentence made no sense whatsoever, would mind clarifying? Hopefully in proper english?
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
1.) The Emperor left most worlds to govern themselves, so long as they contributed to the War effort and subscribed to the Imperial Truth (as evidenced by Fallen Angels, Unremembered Empire, and A Thousand Sons).
2) The Emperor all but abolished slavery (as evidenced by Fear to Tread)
3.) There is no free will in Chaos. Chaos enslaves you mind, body, and soul (as evidenced by Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, The Blood Angels Omnibus, Space Wolves Omnibus, as well as virtually any other piece of fluff featuring Chaos).
4.) Every modern government employs brainwashing to some degree. The Emperor is hardly unique in this regard, not even in comparison to other great leaders in 40k.
5.) That last sentence made no sense whatsoever, would mind clarifying? Hopefully in proper english?
I think he meant:
Space Marines have no power to be more than their superiors allow, and that this allowance it merely to be a puppet of the Imperium.
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
1.) The Emperor left most worlds to govern themselves, so long as they contributed to the War effort and subscribed to the Imperial Truth (as evidenced by Fallen Angels, Unremembered Empire, and A Thousand Sons).
2) The Emperor all but abolished slavery (as evidenced by Fear to Tread)
3.) There is no free will in Chaos. Chaos enslaves you mind, body, and soul (as evidenced by Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, The Blood Angels Omnibus, Space Wolves Omnibus, as well as virtually any other piece of fluff featuring Chaos).
4.) Every modern government employs brainwashing to some degree. The Emperor is hardly unique in this regard, not even in comparison to other great leaders in 40k.
5.) That last sentence made no sense whatsoever, would mind clarifying? Hopefully in proper english?
1: very true, he even allowed world's to worship him as a god for a short while, the monacharia happened.
2: true to a point, he abolished blatant slavery, but introduced slavery to his will, don't agree, I kill you, is still a form of mental slavery.
3: following chaos as a mortal is all about free will, then it snags you, but the initial choice is... A choice.
4: so so true.
5: I think he means that when following chaos you can do whatever you like, as long as it's furthering the goals of the chaos gods, the more gifts you recieve and the closer to becoming a deamon you are, your desires are subsumed into the will of the gods.... I think that's what he means?
OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
1.) The Emperor left most worlds to govern themselves, so long as they contributed to the War effort and subscribed to the Imperial Truth (as evidenced by Fallen Angels, Unremembered Empire, and A Thousand Sons).
2) The Emperor all but abolished slavery (as evidenced by Fear to Tread)
3.) There is no free will in Chaos. Chaos enslaves you mind, body, and soul (as evidenced by Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, The Blood Angels Omnibus, Space Wolves Omnibus, as well as virtually any other piece of fluff featuring Chaos).
4.) Every modern government employs brainwashing to some degree. The Emperor is hardly unique in this regard, not even in comparison to other great leaders in 40k.
5.) That last sentence made no sense whatsoever, would mind clarifying? Hopefully in proper english?
First let me say I ment no offence if any was given. I just mean the emperor taxes all planets and if they dont pay their due well they get hit aka war of independance.
1: No the emperor leaves them in charge if they agree with him pay tythes.... Or how every you spell that word. If not you are not yet compliant and need better training.
2: the emperor uses slaves forget the name of the book the one with the paychers. In the horus heresy lone, the guy was chosen to help the emperium because of his gifts and when his gifts run out he gets chopped up. Aka slave do what you are told do what your asked, when your of no use we will make you into dog food. Aka slave lack of free will.
3: their is free will in chaos they all choose the path to follow, but as of anything follow a path long enough and your road is already laid down before you, because it is all you know.
4: yes , yes they do.
5 sorry type with one or two kids wrestling or climbing on me on a tablet some tomes what I would say comes out wrong. Think I fixed it
P.s. Yes chaos spawn thats what I meant, they are allowed to rank up be in charge and so forth but at the end of the day. They obey pr they are traitors there is no wiggle room or choice simply the illision of choices you can make to let you feel you are free. When you are but just a hamster in a cage with the choice to run on the wheel or to walk throught the tunnel. Both are allowed by the master but you have a free will to do either.
Where as in chaos you choose your path and do it well enough you are imbraced lucius loves perfection and to fight so the gods let him do it be the very thing he is to his core. Same for kharn he seeks to slaughter and a endless buffet is offered. Forget his name the doc from emperors children who likes to cut things open and improve them gets to do it forever necer limited. What you see as bound to a path I see as given free will to follow your goals. I always seen chaos embracing your most basic nature of who you are and nuturing it to the extreme til it is all you are.
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OgreChubbs wrote:The emperor was always the evil one. He is a tyrant and always was join me or die all those different from me die. If you come bringing peace and I do not like you, you die. He inslaved millions of world subjagated them to his law ,slaughtered all others. The chaos he speaks, Of that is evil allows you free will the right to choose your own path where the emperor brain washes his people.
I thought the americans on here would be really against the emperor since they acused the british king of the same things and revolted but I guess now it is him inslaving his own people lol. I.e. Space marines are not allowed to be anything more then what they allow them to be their puppets to maintain control of the weak.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just really, really ignorant of any 40k fluff ever published...
I assure you he isn't being offensive. It's a thin, sorry very thin, analogy but true nontheless. I would not tar all Americans with one brush, nor would I say this point has strong relevance, but I am sure that this was a point and not an insult. However, the first paragraph is very valid and I agree with it.
1.) The Emperor left most worlds to govern themselves, so long as they contributed to the War effort and subscribed to the Imperial Truth (as evidenced by Fallen Angels, Unremembered Empire, and A Thousand Sons).
2) The Emperor all but abolished slavery (as evidenced by Fear to Tread)
3.) There is no free will in Chaos. Chaos enslaves you mind, body, and soul (as evidenced by Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, The Blood Angels Omnibus, Space Wolves Omnibus, as well as virtually any other piece of fluff featuring Chaos).
4.) Every modern government employs brainwashing to some degree. The Emperor is hardly unique in this regard, not even in comparison to other great leaders in 40k.
5.) That last sentence made no sense whatsoever, would mind clarifying? Hopefully in proper english?
First let me say I ment no offence if any was given. I just mean the emperor taxes all planets and if they dont pay their due well they get hit aka war of independance.
1: No the emperor leaves them in charge if they agree with him pay tythes.... Or how every you spell that word. If not you are not yet compliant and need better training.
2: the emperor uses slaves forget the name of the book the one with the paychers. In the horus heresy lone, the guy was chosen to help the emperium because of his gifts and when his gifts run out he gets chopped up. Aka slave do what you are told do what your asked, when your of no use we will make you into dog food. Aka slave lack of free will.
3: their is free will in chaos they all choose the path to follow, but as of anything follow a path long enough and your road is already laid down before you, because it is all you know.
4: yes , yes they do.
5 sorry type with one or two kids wrestling or climbing on me on a tablet some tomes what I would say comes out wrong. Think I fixed it
P.s. Yes chaos spawn thats what I meant, they are allowed to rank up be in charge and so forth but at the end of the day. They obey pr they are traitors there is no wiggle room or choice simply the illision of choices you can make to let you feel you are free. When you are but just a hamster in a cage with the choice to run on the wheel or to walk throught the tunnel. Both are allowed by the master but you have a free will to do either.
Where as in chaos you choose your path and do it well enough you are imbraced lucius loves perfection and to fight so the gods let him do it be the very thing he is to his core. Same for kharn he seeks to slaughter and a endless buffet is offered. Forget his name the doc from emperors children who likes to cut things open and improve them gets to do it forever necer limited. What you see as bound to a path I see as given free will to follow your goals. I always seen chaos embracing your most basic nature of who you are and nuturing it to the extreme til it is all you are.
1,2, and 3 are all supported by sources. If you wish to dispute them, then at least provide your sources.
5.) Yes, that, in a way, makes sense. However, there are many examples of Space Marines having lives outside of endless war. Blood Angels spend most of their offtime making glorious art; sculptures, paintings, poetry, etc. And it is a well-known fact that virtually every Bangel is an Artificer of some degree (as evidenced by Codex: Blood Angels and Blood Angels Omnibus). This is why their armour is always so fancy. Salamanders are allowed to retire and care for their families (as evidenced by Codex Space Marines), Ultramarines spend much of their time as planetary governors, scholars, or even clerics (as evidenced by Codex Space Marines). The key thing with Space Marines is that every Chapter is different, so you might have one Chapter that is insanely strict, with every choice made for the grunts, while others allow a certain degree of leeway.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
At War With Fate? Maybe I am and maybe I'm not... 
