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Yup, GW in the Uk are generally in the city and town centers. It should also be borne in mind that almost anyone who is a teen boy in the UK (and maybe a few girls) will have heard of GW and quite likely know where the nearest store is if they are even remotely interested. Unless you are classing vets as the 12-15 year olds then most word of mouth happens from non vets, and most will have decided whether they are in to it or not early on.
I'm not seeing AoS disgruntled vets particularly affecting the UK in mid-long term. Maybe in other countries with different demographics and entry methods. Obviously in the short term that may be a good number of lost customers (of what though if they weren't buying much fantasy?).
What may be more likely too affect the UK is the lack of games going on in the stores. But that appeared to me to be happening long before AoS dropped. I used to go the stores near me quite a bit during 6ed warhammer (early 2000s) and they were heaving. Whilst I've not played much since then I still tend to pop into the stores and see what is new etc, and over the years I've noticed less and less players, of fantasy in particular. Of course that may be a local issue, or a different time I may be going in now (and I'm missing the busy periods?).
Not really following the game for quite a few years I can't say what caused that. But for the UK that would be IMO the biggest issue GW face if it is a general thing. If they can't get people playing in the stores then it becomes less of an advertisement for those who do go into them. That of course would affect WFB or 40k as well.
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all the stores around me are on the high streets in good positions. Most aren't one man stores either.
Same here, of the 5 stores that I might go to one has moved about 3 times over the years, but each spot has been a good city center location. The others have not moved, though I'd have to go look up one as I haven't been to it in a good while.
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Again, read the financial reports - the process still continues, but they are actively moving to less expensive locations.
They have not yet moved all (or most?) of their stores out of the high rent locations, but they are seeking to do so, as leases expire.
It is possible that they will reverse this process, but I would not hold my breath.
They are following the same method in the US, while actively trying to open more stores.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
I really think that as different as the ruleset might be, it's the game world change that is killing things. I think that a large scale skirmish game (by that I mean AoS sized rather than 5-12 troops in a warband) set in the old world would have worked better.
That or the fact that GW is basically trying to launch a new line, but with half the effort that makes new lines for companies a success. Even much smaller companies. Four decades of existence really should not see them having this much trouble with a release schedule.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
I think that a large scale skirmish game (by that I mean AoS sized rather than 5-12 troops in a warband) set in the old world would have worked better.
Same here. I like AoS, and fluff doesn't really bother me, in fact I really didn't like WFB fluff - the whole gunpowder empire thing wasn't my cup of tea at all. I still played it though. But it seems a bit odd to throw away a well known background, especially with all the licensing of video games that has been going on that might have fed into that.
Again, read the financial reports - the process still continues, but they are actively moving to less expensive locations.
Yes, I read that, it hasn't happened much yet that I've seen. And it doesn't mean that there will be that much difference, even a small move can be too a less expensive location and still be a good position. Like I said 'warhammer' is a very well known thing in the UK by high school, and that is the age group (teens) that GW has nearly always focused on, the same age group I was when it first came out in the 1980s. It's hard to see how more competitive vets getting disgruntled and not passing on word of mouth will affect that demographic much.
AegisGrimm wrote:I think that a large scale skirmish game (by that I mean AoS sized rather than 5-12 troops in a warband) set in the old world would have worked better.
Ditto.
Along with rules that reward manipulation of general mechanics, rather than manipulation of a list of what models to buy.
Bottle wrote: ^ in the UK they are on the high street in good locations usually.
No, they were on high streets and in good locations.
They have been moving out of the good locations, and opening on back streets for a few years now.
Read the financial reports - they are actually quite open about this. (And those reports are also where I got my 30% loss of sales figure.)
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Do you live in the UK?
all the stores around me are on the high streets in good positions. Most aren't one man stores either.
Yes, I do, despite the flag on my profile insisting otherwise.
I very much doubt any of the stores are what a commercial agent would term prime locations, sure, maybe one or two if they got a good deal on a lease, given the economic conditions over the last few years that's quite likely, but those will move when the leases expire, mark my words, and it still doesn't change the fact that any one of the shops I've ever seen wasn't in anything close to a prime location.
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Maybe it's peculiar to where you live then. Here in Bristol the two stores are in great locations. And as I said before even the new stores around here are in good areas. The new one in Taunton for example. The only local store I would cite as not being in a prime location is the Bath store.
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I can only speak for Sheffield, but of the two stores we had when I moved here, the one in the "prime" location (which was based in Meadowhall - tiny store, but a lot of footfall) is the one which has been closed, and their attempt at opening a gaming center was closed after the intro period on the lease (or rates) expired.
The one which I would describe as in the worse location, whilst still roughly in the town centre, is still going. In theory passing traffic should be increasing, due to the town market being moved there and a redevelopment taking place, bu I wouldn't describe it as prime real estate.
In fact, if the rent goes up, I wouldn't be shocked if it moved to a different location.
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TheAuldGrump wrote: Again, read the financial reports - the process still continues, but they are actively moving to less expensive locations.
They have not yet moved all (or most?) of their stores out of the high rent locations, but they are seeking to do so, as leases expire.
It is possible that they will reverse this process, but I would not hold my breath.
They are following the same method in the US, while actively trying to open more stores.
The Auld Grump
Maybe it's time you stopped believing everything written in those reports, Auld.
What, you mean that legally binding document issued by the company themselves? The main conduit for communicating with investors and letting them know what's happening with the firm? The investors who own the company?
Yeah, no way you should believe anything in there.
Even the new opened stores around me have been in good areas (Taunton, for example).
Well, isn't this hilarious.
I'm not far from you, and what you're describing as "a good area" just so happens to be a location I know well. I know it well because the company I used to work for had a location in that very shopping centre, and it was a freaking graveyard for store managers. Nobody made that store work, I was even sent there for a few weeks once to try and help turn it around, but the simple lack of footfall, outside of people parking in Sainsbury's car park and hurrying through to the rest of the (main) shopping area, not to mention the on street entrance is quite a way from the heart of the focus of the shopping, meant it was very tough to make any money there.
Still, IIRC, the rent was cheap for the square footage.
Yet before they moved the store there, it was up near Boots and did great business.
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When I checked back into Warhammer in the last couple of years, I was surprised it was still alive, to be honest. And I was extra surprised to see that the hobby has so many other games coming out too. To me and everyone I talk to about it, it seems like an impossible sell in the video game age, what with all the work and investment you have to do in basically an unknown quantity if you're new to it.
I wish I lived in the UK sometimes, if just for the Warhammer scene. From my experience in Canada, being seen near a Games Workshop was bad enough, entering one was worse than going in a porn store, and there might be some people who have vaguely heard the word Warhammer or had a slight interest when they were a child, but it was certainly nowhere near a household name.
Anyway, I'm a fan of Sigmar and Warhammer in general.
I just had a quick look on Google Maps at the Bristol store too.
Cribbs, I'll grant, proabably counts as a good location, although I suspect it's a shoe box, the footfall will compensate, the other one though..
Really?
Good location?
Its a narrow frontage unit, in a shopping centre clearly nowhere near the retail centre of Bristol or any real draw for people next door to a pawnbrokers.
Bottle, you and I have very different ideas of a 'good' retail location.
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If you're in the business you probably know better than me.
For the Taunton one its in a shopping mall with a McDonalds, Subway, a children's toy shop and the biggest supermarket in the town. So, you've got kids going to the toy shop exposed to it, kids with parents walking past it into sainsburys, and teenagers spending all their time there when they want a fast food fix. Like I said, if you have personal experience there then fine. Seemed really busy when I walked past yesterday.
For the Bristol one, that's my regular and your conjecture isn't correct. It isn't in a shopping center it's a shop facing the street. It's on the main road to the train station from Broadmead, it's also right next to Saint Nick's market. A Starbucks has just opened two doors down, my experience is that Starbucks are built on busy streets too. All things combined it means loads of footfall goes past. That's why I thought them both good areas :-)
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Every teen boy in UK knows about GW?
Almost no teen boy in Germany knows about GW!
I guess this can be generalized to include Europe bar UK, US, and AUS.
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TheAuldGrump wrote: Again, read the financial reports - the process still continues, but they are actively moving to less expensive locations.
They have not yet moved all (or most?) of their stores out of the high rent locations, but they are seeking to do so, as leases expire.
It is possible that they will reverse this process, but I would not hold my breath.
They are following the same method in the US, while actively trying to open more stores.
The Auld Grump
Maybe it's time you stopped believing everything written in those reports, Auld.
Even the new opened stores around me have been in good areas (Taunton, for example).
You mean the reports written by the company we are discussing?
I agree - it is always a bad idea to believe Games Workshop.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Maybe it's time you stopped believing everything written in those reports, Auld.
What, you mean that legally binding document issued by the company themselves? The main conduit for communicating with investors and letting them know what's happening with the firm? The investors who own the company?
Yeah, no way you should believe anything in there.
Looks like you three are on opposing sides of this discussion. I'll let you all discuss this then.
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Maybe it's time you stopped believing everything written in those reports, Auld.
What, you mean that legally binding document issued by the company themselves? The main conduit for communicating with investors and letting them know what's happening with the firm? The investors who own the company?
Yeah, no way you should believe anything in there.
Looks like you three are on opposing sides of this discussion. I'll let you all discuss this then.
Not really, I was utilizing a little known conversational ploy called 'sarcasm'.
Perhaps you have heard of it?
Like all publicly traded companies, the folks working for GW are required, by law, to give an accurate description of decisions that directly affect their profitability as a company.
Which is why that 30% is cause for concern - it is likely that those high street locations that you are touting are money pits, sucking pounds and pence from out of the corporate coffers.
So, please take the time to read the bloody things, hmm?
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Bottle wrote: If you're in the business you probably know better than me.
For the Taunton one its in a shopping mall with a McDonalds, Subway, a children's toy shop and the biggest supermarket in the town. So, you've got kids going to the toy shop exposed to it, kids with parents walking past it into sainsburys, and teenagers spending all their time there when they want a fast food fix. Like I said, if you have personal experience there then fine. Seemed really busy when I walked past yesterday.
GW stores will attract GW customers. The issue is not people who are already interested, but attracting those who may be potentially interested. For this, the location sucks. It's the retail equivalent of trying to chat a girl up in a corridor at a party when she's either on her way to the kitchen to get a drink or has been to the kitchen and is trying to rejoin her friends. Being on a thoroughfare is not conducive to idle interest, and food outlets are a lousy measure of a location, people are either hungry, or going back to whatever they were doing before they got hungry, so you have the same issue.
I'm sure the guys that game there are very happy to have food and drink on the doorstep, but the original point was around GW stores as a marketing tool, and this location doesn't serve that purpose in any meaningful way. In fact, IIRC County Walk closes out of hours, so it wouldn't even serve as an advert 24/7 like a street side location would.
For the Bristol one, that's my regular and your conjecture isn't correct. It isn't in a shopping center it's a shop facing the street. It's on the main road to the train station from Broadmead, it's also right next to Saint Nick's market. A Starbucks has just opened two doors down, my experience is that Starbucks are built on busy streets too. All things combined it means loads of footfall goes past. That's why I thought them both good areas :-)
Ok, centre was the wrong word, arcade or precinct may have been more accurate, but cash4cheques don't open in premium, high cost locations.
Starbucks are everywhere I don't think one can take that as an indication of the location's quality. Either way, they probably aren't there to catch the consumer so much as the commuter I'd imagine (or perhaps there's a lot of offices nearby?) and not the sort of person a store acting as advertising is ever really going to impact.
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Has to be said I don't ever recall any of the UKGW shops I've visited being in great locations, my local is in 'the charity shop zone' that most towns of a certain size seem to have
The next nearest (Exeter) isn't too bad as its sort of in the city centre but never seems to be that busy
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Not really, I was utilizing a little known conversational ploy called 'sarcasm'.
Perhaps you have heard of it?
Like all publicly traded companies, the folks working for GW are required, by law, to give an accurate description of decisions that directly affect their profitability as a company.
Which is why that 30% is cause for concern - it is likely that those high street locations that you are touting are money pits, sucking pounds and pence from out of the corporate coffers.
So, please take the time to read the bloody things, hmm?
The Auld Grump
No need to use bad language. Go get some fresh air dude.
Bottle wrote: If you're in the business you probably know better than me.
For the Taunton one its in a shopping mall with a McDonalds, Subway, a children's toy shop and the biggest supermarket in the town. So, you've got kids going to the toy shop exposed to it, kids with parents walking past it into sainsburys, and teenagers spending all their time there when they want a fast food fix. Like I said, if you have personal experience there then fine. Seemed really busy when I walked past yesterday.
GW stores will attract GW customers. The issue is not people who are already interested, but attracting those who may be potentially interested. For this, the location sucks. It's the retail equivalent of trying to chat a girl up in a corridor at a party when she's either on her way to the kitchen to get a drink or has been to the kitchen and is trying to rejoin her friends. Being on a thoroughfare is not conducive to idle interest, and food outlets are a lousy measure of a location, people are either hungry, or going back to whatever they were doing before they got hungry, so you have the same issue.
I'm sure the guys that game there are very happy to have food and drink on the doorstep, but the original point was around GW stores as a marketing tool, and this location doesn't serve that purpose in any meaningful way. In fact, IIRC County Walk closes out of hours, so it wouldn't even serve as an advert 24/7 like a street side location would.
For the Bristol one, that's my regular and your conjecture isn't correct. It isn't in a shopping center it's a shop facing the street. It's on the main road to the train station from Broadmead, it's also right next to Saint Nick's market. A Starbucks has just opened two doors down, my experience is that Starbucks are built on busy streets too. All things combined it means loads of footfall goes past. That's why I thought them both good areas :-)
Ok, centre was the wrong word, arcade or precinct may have been more accurate, but cash4cheques don't open in premium, high cost locations.
Starbucks are everywhere I don't think one can take that as an indication of the location's quality. Either way, they probably aren't there to catch the consumer so much as the commuter I'd imagine (or perhaps there's a lot of offices nearby?) and not the sort of person a store acting as advertising is ever really going to impact.
Those were all reasons as to why it would be good for potential customers.
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Turnip Jedi wrote: Has to be said I don't ever recall any of the UKGW shops I've visited being in great locations, my local is in 'the charity shop zone' that most towns of a certain size seem to have
The next nearest (Exeter) isn't too bad as its sort of in the city centre but never seems to be that busy
That's because it's the wrong side of the magic line marked by the road going up by John Lewis. A mate of mine actually got injured stopping a mugging in the walk-through to the car park just next to where GW is now, that area goes downhill fast once you've moved away from the high street!
If you're in the business you probably know better than me.
For the Taunton one its in a shopping mall with a McDonalds, Subway, a children's toy shop and the biggest supermarket in the town. So, you've got kids going to the toy shop exposed to it, kids with parents walking past it into sainsburys, and teenagers spending all their time there when they want a fast food fix. Like I said, if you have personal experience there then fine. Seemed really busy when I walked past yesterday.
GW stores will attract GW customers. The issue is not people who are already interested, but attracting those who may be potentially interested. For this, the location sucks. It's the retail equivalent of trying to chat a girl up in a corridor at a party when she's either on her way to the kitchen to get a drink or has been to the kitchen and is trying to rejoin her friends. Being on a thoroughfare is not conducive to idle interest, and food outlets are a lousy measure of a location, people are either hungry, or going back to whatever they were doing before they got hungry, so you have the same issue.
I'm sure the guys that game there are very happy to have food and drink on the doorstep, but the original point was around GW stores as a marketing tool, and this location doesn't serve that purpose in any meaningful way. In fact, IIRC County Walk closes out of hours, so it wouldn't even serve as an advert 24/7 like a street side location would.
For the Bristol one, that's my regular and your conjecture isn't correct. It isn't in a shopping center it's a shop facing the street. It's on the main road to the train station from Broadmead, it's also right next to Saint Nick's market. A Starbucks has just opened two doors down, my experience is that Starbucks are built on busy streets too. All things combined it means loads of footfall goes past. That's why I thought them both good areas :-)
Ok, centre was the wrong word, arcade or precinct may have been more accurate, but cash4cheques don't open in premium, high cost locations.
Starbucks are everywhere I don't think one can take that as an indication of the location's quality. Either way, they probably aren't there to catch the consumer so much as the commuter I'd imagine (or perhaps there's a lot of offices nearby?) and not the sort of person a store acting as advertising is ever really going to impact.
Those were all reasons as to why it would be good for potential customers.
What, that they're all in locations where people have different priorities than actually buying stuff?
You're using some very weird criteria.
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What priorities would you have being in a shopping center other than buying stuff? The point was their targetted demographics will be in that shopping center a lot.
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GW doesn't spend on rent, therefore, regardless of what your impressions are, most GW shops open in second tier or lower locations.
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Not really, I was utilizing a little known conversational ploy called 'sarcasm'.
Perhaps you have heard of it?
Like all publicly traded companies, the folks working for GW are required, by law, to give an accurate description of decisions that directly affect their profitability as a company.
Which is why that 30% is cause for concern - it is likely that those high street locations that you are touting are money pits, sucking pounds and pence from out of the corporate coffers.
So, please take the time to read the bloody things, hmm?
The Auld Grump
No need to use bad language. Go get some fresh air dude.
I take that to mean that you actually haven't read them, then?
Also, 'bad language', really?
Are you referring to 'sarcasm' or 'bloody'?
Either way, hardy the worst language you will find on this site.
If you are that easily offended, perhaps you need to take a deep breath yourself. You are being overly defensive.
When you find your opinion to be on the opposite side from most informed opinion then it is likely that your opinion is the one in the wrong, especially when the opposing opinions can look to documented support in the form of the company's own financial reports.
Informing your opinion is never a bad idea - I actually do recommend reading the past few reports. No sarcasm needed there.
It will also allow you to engage further than complaining about 'bad language'.
I rather suspect that the 2015-2016 report is going to be a mixed bag, with highs (Warhammer 30,000) and lows (Age of Sigmar) - with the end result being a slightly better RoI for this year.
From GW's PoV, WHFB was likely already being written off.
I hope that the return of the Specialist Games spurs new activity - they present a lower barrier in the form of entry costs.
But as for Age of Sigmar? It is a failure, but a failure likely offset by gains in another line of product.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
Bottle wrote: It's my theory? When did I say anything such lol. I said that position exposes the store to their targetted demographic, children and teenagers, well.
Yes, unless you've actually sat there and counted people patronising the food places and then being drawn into the GW, when it wasn't their original intent to go in and they weren't already GW customers, you're just making assumptions.
County Walk is not a premier location, it will not expose the GW brand to the general public in a way that a premier location would, and therefore it is at a disadvantage if one is trying to argue that they're being used to advertise GW.
Even the basic theory that those other types of stores will draw the right people is shaky, as there are other places nearer to the town centre which are likely to attract the lions share of custom.
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Either way, hardy the worst language you will find on this site.
There's a language filter on here so it is probably the worst language you can find on this site. I'm not offended, of course, it just highlights your lack of maturity in my opinion.
The rest of your post seems to be mistaking me for a GW white knight of sorts. I have already given my opinion in this thread as to what AoS lacks.
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Bottle wrote: It's my theory? When did I say anything such lol. I said that position exposes the store to their targetted demographic, children and teenagers, well.
Yes, unless you've actually sat there and counted people patronising the food places and then being drawn into the GW, when it wasn't their original intent to go in and they weren't already GW customers, you're just making assumptions.
A few posts ago I acknowledged that if you had personal experience of managing a failing store in that center then you know better than me. I was explaining why it seemed like a good area to me. Maybe we should stop here rather than dragging this out further.
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Okay guys, let's step back from this tangent, please - whether a shop is in a "good" or "bad" location is somewhat subjective and has definitely been discussed enough, by now.
Also, please try to avoid quoting large blocks of text to add only a single sentence / few sentences reply, to keep the thread uncluttered.
Thanks all
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