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I know, I know, I should ask the ones I play with, they've said yes, but I want to know what Dakka thinks.
Would Marines riding on Fenrisian Wolves work as counts as SW Bikers?

I'd play against it.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
I'd play against it.

I think you'd play against most things. You know what? I'd love to play you IRL.

It's really proxying, so I'd allow it, as long as it was the only instance in the army. I'm more than happy for people to try new things before buying, or make great conversions, but I don't want to have to remember what's what on too much.

Seeing as a number of people thought said conversion to be appropriate for TWC (no, it's not) before the actual models appeared, you've got a confusion factor there.

I personally wouldn't like it, as frankly I think a SM on a diddy wolf frankly looks comical (the huge Thunderwolves look badass FWIW), but seeing as we're going for a yes/no answer here my answer would be no, even though there's not a lot I could do if you put them on the table in front of me.

I would like to see what it looks like, the cool factor is always a first to me.

For once I'd say no because they look like something that already exists.
If they're completely unmodified, then I have to remember they are X instead of Y, and I don't need that in my life.

In my mind it would make more sense to have wolf cavalry instead of bikes. Id play you as long as they were easily discernible from TWC.

I voted “NO” but that’s a lie. I’ll play against almost anything, and if you placed this down on the table across from me, I’d still play.

But I wouldn’t like it. If TWC wasn’t a thing, I’d have no problem with it. You want Salamanders riding cold ones? Cool! There is no risk of confusion there. But Space Wolves already have a beast cavalry option, and they play nothing like bikes.

If you do run with this, don’t field any TWC. That way you can say “All puppies are really bikes” That’s one easy to remember thing for me to keep track of. But when some dogs are bikes, others TWC, some ferensian wolves, etc. Then I spend the whole game trying to sort things out. That’s not fun.

I would play against it. Just make sure it isn't confusing me in any way so that I would enjoy the game. But I don't think that it would that great.

I would play you if you used them as cavalry unit type instead of bike unit type. I'd even let you have a points break of 3 points per model to reflect the fact you don't have combi bolters (I assume).

 Nevelon wrote:
I voted “NO” but that’s a lie. I’ll play against almost anything, and if you placed this down on the table across from me, I’d still play.

But I wouldn’t like it. If TWC wasn’t a thing, I’d have no problem with it. You want Salamanders riding cold ones? Cool! There is no risk of confusion there. But Space Wolves already have a beast cavalry option, and they play nothing like bikes.

If you do run with this, don’t field any TWC. That way you can say “All puppies are really bikes” That’s one easy to remember thing for me to keep track of. But when some dogs are bikes, others TWC, some ferensian wolves, etc. Then I spend the whole game trying to sort things out. That’s not fun.

This is exactly how I feel. I'm less familiar with 40K than most, and having to keep track of breeds of dogs is not part of a fun day out for me.

Any other ideas? I though of using them for my upcoming White Scars, who would also be Space Wolf themed. Ah. I have a problem.

I think it'd look silly as hell but sure.

yes i would play against it one of my first conversions were BA carvery... just cause i thought it would be cool

Depends if you are playing flea-ridden wolves riding wolf marines or not.

Are these wolf riders, wolf riders?
No, they are bloodclaws on bikes.
Are these ones bloodclaws on bikes?
No, they are TWC.

That gets confusing and no, I'd not play against it.

If there are no other wolf-mcWolfersen units in your army serving as ACTUAL wolves riding wolves, then it's fine.

I said no.....

.... only cuz I can be a jerk sometimes! =D


Honestly, play what you want. If someone doesnt like it, dont play with them. There are always people willing to play.

I said "no".

Granted, I would let you play with them... but I still don't think you should. Maybe it would be ok, but I think Fenrisian Wolves are a bit undersized for the job of carrying a Space Marine and I also think it's not a great idea given that TWC also exist.

So while I personally would play against it, I voted "no" because I don't think it'd work out well. Though if you can make them look good I might change my mind.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Though if you can make them look good I might change my mind.

The “Rule of Cool” trumps a lot of things. Something looks good enough, I’ll forgive a lot of sins.

Maybe it's weird, but I'm down for my opponent to proxy just about anything. I've had people use pieces of cardboard to represent rhinos, and bottlecaps to represent marines. Anything that will allow me and my friends a romping good time, I consider to be fair game. Converted models for counts-as I don't even think twice. If you put in the work on the models, more power to you! I think it's awesome.

Now, I don't play a whole lot of games - even more rarely, pickup games. I usually only game with friends, so that probably affects my answer. Never much considered it a problem to have to "remember" what unit is what, but I wouldn't fault anyone else for doing so.

ANYFINK GOEZ! LET'Z BATTLE!

If you have actual TWC in your army then so long as you have something that clearly distinguishes the units then I would be fine with it.

Does putting Fenrisian Wolves on biker bases with riding Marines, carrying Combi Bolters and Chainswords, plus armour plates on the wolves sound good?

As many others have stated (some indirectly) as long as it was not too confusing (like lots of other proxy units, or other wolves etc.) sure why not.

If they were somehow on bike sized bases, even better.

Most of the ....resistance...to proxies I have found is when players are CLEARLY trying to switch rules without having to switch to new models for powergaming reasons (all the counts as that happened in 5th for example).

Anytime I make a ...."counts as " its usually for variety (look, another of the same looking model....) or because for some reason I don't care for the aesthetics of the "real" model.

I also take a LOT of care to make sure the model is on the proper base size, and has a very similar LOS shape as the source model (where possible).

Best of luck and have fun!

 Nevelon wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Though if you can make them look good I might change my mind.

The “Rule of Cool” trumps a lot of things. Something looks good enough, I’ll forgive a lot of sins.

Unfortunately it does not work here. It looks as absurd as me trying to ride a Chihuahua. At least TWC are appropriately sized.