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 aracersss wrote:

 pretre wrote:


K'Vor - Total rumors: (1 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)


Sad Panda - Total rumors: (34 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

I know who I believe.

the former had more than that I believe

Here's what I have:
K'Vor - Total rumors: (1 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)


Feel free to let me know any that I missed.

Thanks, Panda Will this be a campaign book like Mont'Ka?

@Sad Panda: Thanks for the info!

And if it's not out of the realms of possibilities, is there anything at all for Chaos coming in 2016? We're really starting to feel like the 'new' SoB at this point.

More Tau campaign? A... part 3? Dun... dun.... dun....

This is ominous for everyone involved. Even the Tau.

Warzone Damocles: ??? What else could there be?

 Gamgee wrote:
More Tau campaign? A... part 3? Dun... dun.... dun....

This is ominous for everyone involved. Even the Tau.

Warzone Damocles: ??? What else could there be?

There is literally nothing suggesting that in what Sad Panda posted.

I was talking about the thing posted from K'vor.

Edit
Also K'vor was right about at least 1 more rumor. Way back when Tau were being rumored he called the Breachers over on ATT before they came out (the only one I believe). Also all of the other correct Tau rumors that were floating around he was also basically saying. IIRC that is.

Well, new IG dex or not I'm still gonna be waiting for it to come out whenever it does. I can only hope that Sadpanda is either:

A: Wrong, and we'll be getting the update to put us on par with the other dexes

or

B: Right, but when the dex does hit we get a really ice update with cool goodies.

 Ir0njack wrote:
Right, but when the dex does hit we get a really ice update with cool goodies.

But AM/IG never gets cool things

But AM/IG never gets cool things

We did. Wyverns and -40 pts for Punisher

CragHack wrote:

But AM/IG never gets cool things

We did. Wyverns and -40 pts for Punisher

you are right, there is no rule without exception

 Ir0njack wrote:
Well, new IG dex or not I'm still gonna be waiting for it to come out whenever it does. I can only hope that Sadpanda is either:

A: Wrong, and we'll be getting the update to put us on par with the other dexes

or

B: Right, but when the dex does hit we get a really ice update with cool goodies.

Outside of brand new units, the thing that AM/IG really need are:
A) An actual Veterans kit

B) A proper update to the basic Infantry Squad kit that gives 1x each special weapon and a couple power weapon options for the Sergeant. I'm sure it's also possible for GW to put the heavy weapon options into a newly redesigned kit, meaning they could also get rid of the single heavy weapon team kit while they're at it.

C) A Roughrider kit, though honestly at this point, they're so awful they could just as easily get dropped from the book altogether and almost no one would notice/complain.


Other than that, the Guard model line is pretty much complete. If anything, GW could get away with making Guard into at most a 2 week release, as there's so little model support that's really needed right now. (unlike Chaos Marines, who are at the point of requiring a DE level re-boot of the entire model line!)

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Ir0njack wrote:
Well, new IG dex or not I'm still gonna be waiting for it to come out whenever it does. I can only hope that Sadpanda is either:

A: Wrong, and we'll be getting the update to put us on par with the other dexes

or

B: Right, but when the dex does hit we get a really ice update with cool goodies.

Outside of brand new units, the thing that AM/IG really need are:
A) An actual Veterans kit

B) A proper update to the basic Infantry Squad kit that gives 1x each special weapon and a couple power weapon options for the Sergeant. I'm sure it's also possible for GW to put the heavy weapon options into a newly redesigned kit, meaning they could also get rid of the single heavy weapon team kit while they're at it.

C) A Roughrider kit, though honestly at this point, they're so awful they could just as easily get dropped from the book altogether and almost no one would notice/complain.


Other than that, the Guard model line is pretty much complete. If anything, GW could get away with making Guard into at most a 2 week release, as there's so little model support that's really needed right now. (unlike Chaos Marines, who are at the point of requiring a DE level re-boot of the entire model line!)

imho the guard needs more than just cadian style troops.

Vostroyans would be fun and steel legion too (personly i do not like pretorians or mordian or catachans but thats not the point)

the AM is a huge fighting force coming from millions of planets this should be represented by the model range .... only cadian trooers is boring

You have those.

They're in metal or Finecast. The likelihood of them putting another regiment into plastic is astronomically low. Hell, they don't even stock Catachans in their own stores anymore.

B) A proper update to the basic Infantry Squad kit that gives 1x each special weapon and a couple power weapon options for the Sergeant. I'm sure it's also possible for GW to put the heavy weapon options into a newly redesigned kit, meaning they could also get rid of the single heavy weapon team kit while they're at it.

And price them like a regular tactical squad? No thanks, I'd rather buy those special weapons off bits sellers.

Veterans - only if they are multi part. There are soooo many ways to kitbash them, I personally don't see the need for an actual kit.

Only way we'll see Veterans as a kit is if they add a hell of a lot more options to Veteran Squads that can't be easily kitbashed.

*fingers crossed for "Grenadier Training" complete with Hellguns to make a comeback*

Fingers crossed for 125 Vendettas

Fingers crossed for Vendettas getting axed and Thunderbolts coming in.

Vendettas can screw right off. Anything that gets rid of Cruddace's ideas is a-okay by me.

But you can take those Thunderbolts np? At least Battlescribe sais so. Just that hey cost, both points and cash.

CragHack wrote:
But you can take those Thunderbolts np? At least Battlescribe sais so. Just that hey cost, both points and cash.

Thunderbolts are Forge World.

In THEORY? Yeah, it's easy-peasy. But in practice, it's a very different story. Some people won't play against Forge World stuff no matter if you give them a points advantage or anything like that. They just feel that everything FW is "broken".

Hell, I know of someone who thinks my Vulture Gunship with twin Punisher Gatling Cannons is as powerful as a Knight.

Than they'd have to (or I wouldn't mind), pretty much, include ALL OF THE NAVY

CragHack wrote:
Than they'd have to (or I wouldn't mind), pretty much, include ALL OF THE NAVY

I would love for that to happen, but I don't know how to do so without going kind of bonkers...

We'd need a Vulture kit(it's VERY different to the Valkyrie. Only shared components are the wings and tail booms), a Lightning kit, and a Thunderbolt/Avenger kit.
And for funsies, let's throw in a Marauder/Marauder Destroyer double kit. Because if anyone should have the first Codex Superheavy Flyer, by god it's the Guard!

CragHack wrote:
Than they'd have to (or I wouldn't mind), pretty much, include ALL OF THE NAVY

Lunar class battleship confirmed for 2016 Guard Codex.

I would love to get a plastic Marauder kit for my Guard. I loved the Marauder in DoW Soulstorm

 Gamgee wrote:
I was talking about the thing posted from K'vor.

Edit
Also K'vor was right about at least 1 more rumor. Way back when Tau were being rumored he called the Breachers over on ATT before they came out (the only one I believe). Also all of the other correct Tau rumors that were floating around he was also basically saying. IIRC that is.

Link?

I'd prefer that vendettas stay in their role as small transport/gunship AND we have vulture/thunderbolt/lightining/avenger squadrons. In plastic of course as I've already thrown down for a avenger and balk at the thought of paying that much again for anything that isn't a superheavy.

On a side note I really don't really understand the hate that vendettas get, when they were under priced yeah but now? Is it fluff reasons cause I don't see wyverns or bullgryn garnering nearly as much hate and they suddenly popped out of nowhere too.

Vendettas, to me, are garbage because they're a Robin Cruddace creation that was horribly shoehorned in with the previous Guard book.

The Vendetta was going to be a Forge World unit for the Elysians for the "Raid on Kastorel-Novem" book taking a role similar to that of the upgunned "Huey" transport helicopters during the Vietnam War/modern heliborne forces that were used as escorts for the main heliborne forces.
In the context of that knowledge?
The Vendetta made perfect sense! It was for when you had more transports than you did gunships to escort them and when you needed the gunships to be doing something else.
With the IG book, it got put in to be some kind of half-cocked "Razorback" equivalent.

Without the framework of the Elysian list, an army that had no tanks or artillery? It falls apart.

And Bullgryn/Wyverns might have "suddenly popped out of nowhere", but it's not a huge leap to think of Ogryn armored and given slabs of tank armor to hold the line or a rapid-firing mortar.

 Ir0njack wrote:
I'd prefer that vendettas stay in their role as small transport/gunship AND we have vulture/thunderbolt/lightining/avenger squadrons. In plastic of course as I've already thrown down for a avenger and balk at the thought of paying that much again for anything that isn't a superheavy.

On a side note I really don't really understand the hate that vendettas get, when they were under priced yeah but now? Is it fluff reasons cause I don't see wyverns or bullgryn garnering nearly as much hate and they suddenly popped out of nowhere too.

I think the problem with the vendetta is, that its just a valkyrie with different weapons and no a seperate unit. There is no need for the vendetta in this form ... There should be the vulture but not that cheap valkyrie clone.

I would love to see the Thunderbolt fighter but the thought of what GW would do to it along with the bast price of the kit makes me balk at the same time.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Vendettas, to me, are garbage because they're a Robin Cruddace creation that was horribly shoehorned in with the previous Guard book.

I don't think these are creations of the rules writers. These guys get the models and the task to write rules for them (with the goal of making them sell). That's about it.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Vendettas, to me, are garbage because they're a Robin Cruddace creation that was horribly shoehorned in with the previous Guard book.

I don't think these are creations of the rules writers. These guys get the models and the task to write rules for them (with the goal of making them sell). That's about it.

That's true of NOW. In 2008 when the first Codex: Imperial Guard with the Valkyrie/Vendetta actually in the list came out? That wasn't as true as you think it was.
How many kits came out with that book which fit that bill? Basically just the Deathstrike. The remainder of the kits were new variants on old vehicles(the Leman Russ/Hellhound chassis) or ports of FW kits (Valkyrie and Manticore).

Heck, the Hydra got put into that book and didn't see a model until we got Codex: Astra Militarum.

The Vendetta, on the other hand, was something that Forge World released with Imperial Armour Volume 8 but Cruddace shoehorned it into the Guard book because he thought the Guard needed some kind of "smaller transport capacity with more guns".

I have it on good authority that the Vendetta, as it was going to be released in IA8? It wasn't going to be able to carry troops at all.