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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:25:20
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Lieutenant General
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Yes, it is rude. If you're not sure how many points your list s going to be, then have the common courtesy to tell me so beforehand instead of expecting me to let you change the agreed points limit. And if its not a big deal, then why not stick to the agreed points limit? If they continually do this time after time then they've proven that this is their nature and everything a person does reflects on them.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:35:05
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ghaz wrote:Yes, it is rude. If you're not sure how many points your list s going to be, then have the common courtesy to tell me so beforehand instead of expecting me to let you change the agreed points limit. And if its not a big deal, then why not stick to the agreed points limit? If they continually do this time after time then they've proven that this is their nature and everything a person does reflects on them.
Do you run into this a lot, Ghaz?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:47:18
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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No I don't, but that wouldn't change how I would feel about it. Treat me with the same courtesy I'm showing you.
A person's actions shows their personality. If you have a player that's been caught cheating a couple of times, then you either don't play that person or if you do you're more vigilant to ensure he doesn't cheat. This is the same situation. You either have to put up with him always wanting a few points more in pick-up games or you don't play him because you don't want to deal with his BS.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:49:15
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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It is all about the courtesy we extend to each other. Hats off to you Ghaz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 01:56:14
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Ghaz wrote:Yes, it is rude. If you're not sure how many points your list s going to be, then have the common courtesy to tell me so beforehand instead of expecting me to let you change the agreed points limit. And if its not a big deal, then why not stick to the agreed points limit? If they continually do this time after time then they've proven that this is their nature and everything a person does reflects on them.
Exalted for the truth.
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TheEyeOfNight- I swear, this thread is 70% smack talk, 20% RP organization, and 10% butt jokes
TheEyeOfNight- "Ordo Xenos reports that the Necrons have attained democracy, kamikaze tendencies, and nuclear fission. It's all tits up, sir."
Space Marine flyers are shaped for the greatest possible air resistance so that the air may never defeat the SPACE MARINES!
Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:06:15
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Akiasura wrote:Yeah, that math problem is solvable. I don't know why anyone would think it isn't.
There are certainly math problems with more than one answer (certain formulas often give multiple answers, especially if they involve plotting certain graphs and finding certain features) but answers are attainable.
It is solvable. It's just that depending on what particulars of math you apply to it, you come up with one of two different answers. And for some reason, the disagreement on which answer is actually correct tends to get very, very heated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:17:11
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The question of points limits is exactly that, it is a point limit agreed upon by two people. It is an implicit agreement to play at that level.
Then asking to be allowed some extra points defeats the original limit imposed.
To look at it another way, if you agree a game with no FW units, and then your opponent turns up with FW would you not feel aggrieved and feel entitled to ask for their removal?
Same thing with the excess points.
Cheers
Andrew
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:25:34
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree. Tournaments should be 0 points over of course. ex I only play with friends, so going over by maybe 5 points is generally ok as long as they say so beforehand because we are just trying to have fun.
If one side doesnt agree the the other going over, then that person just has to deal with it and take something out to get under the limit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:32:17
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:39:21
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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I have never played competitively so this has never been a problem for me. Like I said earlier, we allow grace points because we don't really care how the game turns out. If that 1 point extra kills the rest of my x amount of points, so be it. The Persians had way more points than the Greeks at the Battle of Thermopylae but King Leonidas still held Xerxes back for seven days before Ephialtes cheated and told the Persians how to get past the Spartans.
My group is ok with it, because fun is fun. If I ever manage to play in a tournament then you can bet my list will be on the dot or below the point limit, because rules are rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:39:40
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
No, not necessarily. If I dont want to let my opponent have the extra points then ill say so. Ive never had someone get upset because its a "friendly" game and I denied them the extra
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:47:14
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Billagio wrote: Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
No, not necessarily. If I dont want to let my opponent have the extra points then ill say so. Ive never had someone get upset because its a "friendly" game and I denied them the extra
Read this thread and you'll see quite a few people who seem to think they're entitled to the extra points in a 'friendly' game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 02:58:33
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Always follow the points limit. I don't understand why people wouldn't follow the points limit, it's just common courtesy. Even if your opponent doesn't care, you can't know that beforehand so you just do the courteous thing and follow the points limit. Your opponent may have wanted to take that 20pt item that pushed them 2 points over the limit but chose not to do so in order to keep to the points limit... you should offer the same respect and also not take the 20pt item. Unless you discuss it prior to the game and decide that it's going to be a 1990 to 2010 pt game rather than a 2000pt game I see no reason why you should go over. Pouncey wrote:Akiasura wrote:Yeah, that math problem is solvable. I don't know why anyone would think it isn't. There are certainly math problems with more than one answer (certain formulas often give multiple answers, especially if they involve plotting certain graphs and finding certain features) but answers are attainable. It is solvable. It's just that depending on what particulars of math you apply to it, you come up with one of two different answers. And for some reason, the disagreement on which answer is actually correct tends to get very, very heated.
It's because as far as I'm aware there's no standard as to whether multiplication takes precedence or division takes precedence, so it's not clear whether the part in brackets is in the numerator or the denominator. I've never understood why it would get heated though. Anyone who uses maths regularly would use more clear notation to avoid confusion. If one of my students wrote like that I'd comment that they need to use clear notation instead of writing it like a 3rd grader. The same thing happens in English when people don't know how to use semicolons and instead overuse commas, leading to the potential for multiple interpretations. You can argue about which interpretation is correct or you can just whack people over the head and tell them to use a semicolon so the meaning is clear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 03:02:15
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote: Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
No, not necessarily. If I dont want to let my opponent have the extra points then ill say so. Ive never had someone get upset because its a "friendly" game and I denied them the extra
Read this thread and you'll see quite a few people who seem to think they're entitled to the extra points in a 'friendly' game.
Then theyre certainly wrong. But if you also read the thread there seems to be people who think that someone allowing extra points should be shot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 03:06:28
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Billagio wrote:Then theyre certainly wrong. But if you also read the thread there seems to be people who think that someone allowing extra points should be shot.
Things get blown out of proportion on the internet. People are usually more amiable in real life so even if it might piss them off that their opponent was 3pts over they won't get up in arms about it.
On the internet we don't think it's going to hurt the other person's feelings (or simply don't care if it does) so people are more direct about the fact it annoys them that their opponent shows up with a list that's 3pts over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 03:21:36
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Ghaz wrote:Yes, it is rude. If you're not sure how many points your list s going to be, then have the common courtesy to tell me so beforehand instead of expecting me to let you change the agreed points limit. And if its not a big deal, then why not stick to the agreed points limit? If they continually do this time after time then they've proven that this is their nature and everything a person does reflects on them.
Ghaz wrote:No I don't, but that wouldn't change how I would feel about it. Treat me with the same courtesy I'm showing you.
A person's actions shows their personality. If you have a player that's been caught cheating a couple of times, then you either don't play that person or if you do you're more vigilant to ensure he doesn't cheat. This is the same situation. You either have to put up with him always wanting a few points more in pick-up games or you don't play him because you don't want to deal with his BS.
Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
Who said they can't stick to the previously agreed points limit? Who said that there is an expected right? Who said they didn't tell you beforehand? Who says they will always want more points? How does attempting to renegotiate a points amount lead to you thinking that they are the kind of person who is WAAC and cheats at games? Simply asking "Can I be X points over?" does not lead to the conclusions you seem to have.
You say no. They say "Okay I'll take something out." Or you say yes. Or you say "Yes but I want to add something in." It's just a normal conversation. Not a big deal. Nobody is being rude. Carry on. Have a good game.
It would help if you could explain to me how you think things work instead of just stating how you think things are.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 03:22:15
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ruberu wrote:I have never played competitively so this has never been a problem for me. Like I said earlier, we allow grace points because we don't really care how the game turns out. If that 1 point extra kills the rest of my x amount of points, so be it. The Persians had way more points than the Greeks at the Battle of Thermopylae but King Leonidas still held Xerxes back for seven days before Ephialtes cheated and told the Persians how to get past the Spartans.
My group is ok with it, because fun is fun. If I ever manage to play in a tournament then you can bet my list will be on the dot or below the point limit, because rules are rules.
Or they played with the same amount of points and Spartans were just considerably worth more than Persian infantry, like Space Marines vs Guardsmen.
I honestly don't think a worse comparison could've been made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 03:29:16
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Lieutenant General
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Colehkxix wrote: Ghaz wrote:Yes, it is rude. If you're not sure how many points your list s going to be, then have the common courtesy to tell me so beforehand instead of expecting me to let you change the agreed points limit. And if its not a big deal, then why not stick to the agreed points limit? If they continually do this time after time then they've proven that this is their nature and everything a person does reflects on them.
Ghaz wrote:No I don't, but that wouldn't change how I would feel about it. Treat me with the same courtesy I'm showing you.
A person's actions shows their personality. If you have a player that's been caught cheating a couple of times, then you either don't play that person or if you do you're more vigilant to ensure he doesn't cheat. This is the same situation. You either have to put up with him always wanting a few points more in pick-up games or you don't play him because you don't want to deal with his BS.
Ghaz wrote: Billagio wrote:I think we can all just agree that if its a friendly game youre allowed to be flexible with points, as long as both sides agree.
The problem is the one side expects to be given that right regardless, just because its a 'friendly' game. If its 'friendly', you don't need the extra points. Stick to your agreement.
Who said they can't stick to the previously agreed points limit? Who said that there is an expected right? Who said they didn't tell you beforehand? Who says they will always want more points? How does attempting to renegotiate a points amount lead to you thinking that they are the kind of person who is WAAC and cheats at games? Simply asking "Can I be X points over?" does not lead to the conclusions you seem to have.
You say no. They say "Okay I'll take something out." Or you say yes. Or you say "Yes but I want to add something in." It's just a normal conversation. Not a big deal. Nobody is being rude. Carry on. Have a good game.
It would help if you could explain to me how you think things work instead of just stating how you think things are.
So you're so desperate to defend those who can't stick to an agreed points limit that you've missed the entire point of this thread?
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:11:22
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Confessor Of Sins
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:It is solvable. It's just that depending on what particulars of math you apply to it, you come up with one of two different answers. And for some reason, the disagreement on which answer is actually correct tends to get very, very heated.
It's because as far as I'm aware there's no standard as to whether multiplication takes precedence or division takes precedence, so it's not clear whether the part in brackets is in the numerator or the denominator.
I've never understood why it would get heated though. Anyone who uses maths regularly would use more clear notation to avoid confusion. If one of my students wrote like that I'd comment that they need to use clear notation instead of writing it like a 3rd grader.
The same thing happens in English when people don't know how to use semicolons and instead overuse commas, leading to the potential for multiple interpretations. You can argue about which interpretation is correct or you can just whack people over the head and tell them to use a semicolon so the meaning is clear.
:: shrug ::
I heard Snopes investigated why the disagreement seems to anger so many people on something so silly and pointless, but I haven't actually read their investigation at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:38:30
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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This "debate" always amuses me.
It's not a complicated answer, in that a points limit is a limit.
Now, plenty of times you have units you like or limited models, and the 1503 list is a lot more appealing than the 1497. That just happens.
What is interesting to me is sheer passion and paranoia people show in demanding adherence to the rule. I've seen the words "social contract " in this thread with no apparent irony. The idea is that a person three points over could be a malevolent mastermind that will cheat every chance they get. That is, of course, ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 04:49:54
Subject: Re:Allowable number of free points
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I am honestly amazed at how many people are being so strict. I don't really care if it is a few points over - I don't really care enough to even check people's lists. I am just there to have some fun. If someone feels the need to cheat, then I suppose their lives are fairly terrible and they could really use a win, haha.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 05:26:18
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Ruberu wrote:I have never played competitively so this has never been a problem for me. Like I said earlier, we allow grace points because we don't really care how the game turns out. If that 1 point extra kills the rest of my x amount of points, so be it. The Persians had way more points than the Greeks at the Battle of Thermopylae but King Leonidas still held Xerxes back for seven days before Ephialtes cheated and told the Persians how to get past the Spartans.
My group is ok with it, because fun is fun. If I ever manage to play in a tournament then you can bet my list will be on the dot or below the point limit, because rules are rules.
Or they played with the same amount of points and Spartans were just considerably worth more than Persian infantry, like Space Marines vs Guardsmen.
I honestly don't think a worse comparison could've been made.
Probably not the best comparison, they have historical games with point costs and better rules though. 7000 Greeks does not equal 100000-150000 Persians. In 40k a 1850 point list can beat another 1850 point list with the right tactics. After the Greeks got outflanked the remaining 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians, 400 Thebans and maybe a few hundred more knew they could not take on an army of that size and knew that they were going to die. You can reenacted the Battle of Thermopylae using miniatures and point costs. Also historical games are not Warhammer, A Spartan is still a man just like a Persian man, they are not 500 points more than another man. Its no different than a Grey Knight's cost compared to an IG Conscript.
I'm just happy that I live in an area where we play the game without squabbling over a couple points. I do agree that if those points allow you to take a formation that gives you free stuff then that might be an issue. One of the Necron ones gives you a +1 on the reincarnation rule which pretty much gives you a free kryptek per squad, or the others with piles of free transports. Maybe that 6th combi-weapon should be taken off or that melta gun. My lists are usually fairly bland with lots of infantry and few upgrades, my group does not care that I'm one point over because I want my sqauds full. I apologize that my definition of a friendly game does not mean what others think it means.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 05:49:33
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Ruberu wrote:My apologize that my definition of a friendly game does not mean what others think it means.
You're right, it doesn't. My definition of a "friendly game" is one where everyone brings legal lists, and if that means you don't get to bring that last upgrade you wanted, well, who cares, it's just a friendly game and winning doesn't matter very much. Your definition of "friendly game" seems to be one where winning is so absolutely important that you have to break the rules to give yourself an advantage, and imply that anyone who won't grant you those extra points is not friendly. Automatically Appended Next Post: Polonius wrote:The idea is that a person three points over could be a malevolent mastermind that will cheat every chance they get. That is, of course, ridiculous.
A malevolent mastermind? No. The kind of person that will occasionally nudge a model a little closer to get into range when they think the other player isn't looking? Yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 06:06:32
Subject: Re:Allowable number of free points
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The accusatory attitude does you no justice here, all it does is make you look like the kind of person we are glad to be rid of in my group. Reported and ignored
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 06:10:43
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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Peregrine wrote: Ruberu wrote:My apologize that my definition of a friendly game does not mean what others think it means.
You're right, it doesn't. My definition of a "friendly game" is one where everyone brings legal lists, and if that means you don't get to bring that last upgrade you wanted, well, who cares, it's just a friendly game and winning doesn't matter very much. Your definition of "friendly game" seems to be one where winning is so absolutely important that you have to break the rules to give yourself an advantage, and imply that anyone who won't grant you those extra points is not friendly.
Nope, not my definition at all, I rarely win games. My definition of a friendly game is "O look, you just one shotted my Firewarrior squad with a Demolisher Canon... That was AWESOME! Do you have anymore beer or should we get some more before the next turn?" When we play, we play to waste some time and use our models that do nothing more than get painted and collect dust. We play to hang out and talk about random stuff that upset us, or cool things we learned/did that day. We only play the game to do something in-between bull crapping.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 06:16:03
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Douglas Bader
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Ruberu wrote:Nope, not my definition at all, I rarely win games. My definition of a friendly game is "O look, you just one shotted my Firewarrior squad with a Demolisher Canon... That was AWESOME! Do you have anymore beer or should we get some more before the next turn?" When we play, we play to waste some time and use our models that do nothing more than get painted and collect dust. We play to hang out and talk about random stuff that upset us, or cool things we learned/did that day. We only play the game to do something in-between bull crapping.
So then why is it so important to be able to exceed the point limit? If the game is just something to do while drinking beer then just take that extra thing out of your list and keep everything within the point limit. Not having those few points shouldn't be a big deal because hey, your model just got splattered by a demolisher cannon and that's all that matters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 07:22:36
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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People need to realize those extra 5 points didn't buy a Melta Bomb for my Biker Squad. They bought a Melta Bomb for my Chaplain who is more likely going to use it.
It's cheating for advantage, whether you like hearing it or not.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 07:24:07
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Confessor Of Sins
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Peregrine wrote: Ruberu wrote:Nope, not my definition at all, I rarely win games. My definition of a friendly game is "O look, you just one shotted my Firewarrior squad with a Demolisher Canon... That was AWESOME! Do you have anymore beer or should we get some more before the next turn?" When we play, we play to waste some time and use our models that do nothing more than get painted and collect dust. We play to hang out and talk about random stuff that upset us, or cool things we learned/did that day. We only play the game to do something in-between bull crapping.
So then why is it so important to be able to exceed the point limit? If the game is just something to do while drinking beer then just take that extra thing out of your list and keep everything within the point limit. Not having those few points shouldn't be a big deal because hey, your model just got splattered by a demolisher cannon and that's all that matters.
But to them, it doesn't matter one way or the other whether the points are a bit under or a bit over. Either way is fine to them, they really don't care.
Besides, one of the advantages of a tabletop game over a video game is that in a tabletop game the players can modify or ignore the rules as they see fit (without the programming skills needed to create a mod). They're not saying everyone should do things the way they do, they're saying that that's how they do things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 07:32:47
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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This is such a weird issue, and remarkably specific to 40k. If you're playing historicals or similar, you probably aren't sticking rigidly to a points structure anyway, and in any other game (warmachine, malifaux, infinity etc) going over the points limit is a big no-no regardless of how casual the game is. Personally I think you should never go over the limit, and I think it unlikely that there's nothing in an army that could be dropped to get you down by 5 points or whatever you need. I've certainly written plenty of lists that were a few points down (~3-4) precisely because of this. edited for spelling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/11/24 08:29:52
Subject: Allowable number of free points
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Mysterious Techpriest
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While I fully understand the "limit is a limit" arguments and also would enforce this in a tournament setting...
In a casual game with friends I still won't raise an eyebrow if it's 2 or 3 points. 5 points? Yeah, I expect you to make room for that.
That is something you can drop for the most part.
However there are instances where you can pat the other guy on the back and tell him it's fine.
E.g. in the 6th Dark Angels codex, the min squad of bikes cost 81 pts. 3x27 per bike.
So if the dude had a 920pts list, used the tacticals/scouts he had... You're hard pressed to find something to put in for that points. Most units/models cost more than that and if he doesn't happen to be able to field anything non-useless else, should I really object to that ONE extra point he goes over and force him to drop, say, a plasma gun?
Nah.
Opinions and meta's vary. In my meta, it's accepted, since noone does it with the intend of cheating or gaining an advantage. Everyone I play is laid back (beside that dude that keeps crushing me with brutal lists, really needs to stop punching my game face!) and friendly, therefore I'm as fine with that as can be.
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