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Eldar were not nerfed. Ranged D in general was nerfed. It affected my custom stompa just as much as their wraithknight. Up till now all the nerfs have been generalized or fixes. Nerfs to 2+ rerollable, a few armies aside from eldar could get that. Such as screamerstar. FMC being unable to be targeted by blasts was good for more than just nids. Invisibility, well anyone that mattered could get that.

This was a cowardly way out for a knee jerk reaction.

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
The ITC also makes stupid rulings ie allowing the vindicator squadrons yet not allowing the Typhon

The vindicater squadron isn't even good

 CrownAxe wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
The ITC also makes stupid rulings ie allowing the vindicator squadrons yet not allowing the Typhon

The vindicater squadron isn't even good

QFT. One crew stunned and its poop. One weapon destroyed and it cannot be used again.

At least we will never have to hear that ridiculous "we can't change codex rules" claim as an excuse for why every blatantly overpowered and anti-fun codex unit and rule has to be included, but blanket FW bans are ok.

 Orock wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:

Champion of Slaanesh wrote:
The ITC also makes stupid rulings ie allowing the vindicator squadrons yet not allowing the Typhon

The vindicater squadron isn't even good

QFT. One crew stunned and its poop. One weapon destroyed and it cannot be used again.

Cronus can help with this issue.

LOL .....This is beyond stupid.

So you take an army that pre-buffs was doing extremely poorly at tournaments, in fact it was totally irrelevant. Then you take their new ''decurion'' and nerf it completely out of existence, with 0 playtesting, completely against the RAI and even RAW. Anybody who doesn't play Tau and who plays at ITC events will obviously vote to nerf, it's in their best interest to do so. You can just read the poor posts on dakka about it to see it isn't even majority tournament players that vote, it's primarily casual players. How are these nerfs in any way justified when compared against today's meta?

Why has Tau been so arbitrarily smashed into the ground but not Eldar? or Gladius? Necron decurion? or War Convocation? etc.

ITC is a complete farce. Thank goodness we don't use that rubbish in Europe.

RIP Tau.

Well, in all honesty, this special stompa is nowhere near as powerful as a custom stompa can be for about the same cost.

like the results here but i wish they would do more for cc nits in there errata some of them are just absolute tosh right now

 Shade of Asuryan wrote:
LOL .....This is beyond stupid.

So you take an army that pre-buffs was doing extremely poorly at tournaments, in fact it was totally irrelevant. Then you take their new ''decurion'' and nerf it completely out of existence, with 0 playtesting, completely against the RAI and even RAW. Anybody who doesn't play Tau and who plays at ITC events will obviously vote to nerf, it's in their best interest to do so. You can just read the poor posts on dakka about it to see it isn't even majority tournament players that vote, it's primarily casual players. How are these nerfs in any way justified when compared against today's meta?

Why has Tau been so arbitrarily smashed into the ground but not Eldar? or Gladius? Necron decurion? or War Convocation? etc.

ITC is a complete farce. Thank goodness we don't use that rubbish in Europe.

RIP Tau.

Agree, this vote is complete nonsense for Tau players in ITC. Also we have simillar "thing" in Sweden where many players use the ridiculous Comp systems which also voted in a simillar way, restricting gameplay even more.

Hope more players start using more open formats!

 koooaei wrote:
Well, in all honesty, this special stompa is nowhere near as powerful as a custom stompa can be for about the same cost.

Kustom Stompa violates one of their rules governing LoW SHV/GC.

I'm not sure what to make of the poll. On one hand, it clarifies things for ITC players. On the other, it seems some people voted against Tau simply because it was Tau and they didn't like them. I would have liked to have seen tournament results before voting begun on this.

Have to echo Peregrine on the Stompa issue.

 Frozocrone wrote:
On the other, it seems some people voted against Tau simply because it was Tau and they didn't like them.

Pretty much, yeah. People didn't vote with their heads on this one, it was "I don't like Tau and I don't want them to be," and that was that.

Before you read this rant... I totally support the second nerf to Target Lock. You shouldn't be able to share all those special rules onto units that you Target Locked. Onto Coordinated Firepower though..... Such bs, nobody even got a chance to see how it would play in an ITC tourny. Its really not that powerful.. OK I can destroy one unit a turn with this Coordinated Firepower. HOLY gak NERF EVERYTHING TAU ARE ABOUT TO RUIN TOURNYS FOREVER CAUSE THEY CAN KILL 1 UNIT A TURN. I can't believe they would put this up to a community vote. Of course all the deathstar runners are going to vote to nerf this rule. That would have meant that their retardedly cheesy combo could get squashed without hardcore list tailoring.. Such a sad day. GW actually releases some good rules and the community gaks themselves and self-nerfs it? Never again will I support any ITC events.

Wheres the votes on Decurion or Gladius, or wraithknight spam? Why can't we vote to nerf the lists that consistently place first in these events? Whens the last time Tau took first place at a serious Tourny????? Or even top 5 for that matter..

I think a vote on thunderdome was passed recently regarding da and sw sharing rules because they didn't have chapter tactics, alobg with hit and run white scars.

Passed in favour of sharing rules between the imperium. Not sure if this was the vote that had loads of votes that shouldn't have counted but if it was a legitimate poll, my respect for the ITC community will go out the window.

I never liked ITC to begin with but this is just hilariously terrible.

No Competitive 40k player should want to play under ITC when it leaves rules up to mob rule (of people who don't even go to tournaments, not to mind compete to try and win them). The Tau votes prove without a doubt that their system is broken.

ITC is just another boring comp system ruining tournament 40k, please delete.

No one should play 40k in a competitive environment anyway. The game isn't designed or intended to be played that way.

 Psienesis wrote:
No one should play 40k in a competitive environment anyway. The game isn't designed or intended to be played that way.

I'm sorry to say that myself, and I'm sure several others, started and grew up playing the tournament scene. Not the circuit - I don't travel, but I looked at it as a place to go for a couple games on a set day. I didn't vote, I do have a Tau army, and the last game I played with it was in 6th. I agree with darkstrider's analyzer vote, the rule pretty much says this anyway. but I'm a sad panda that my buffmander can't spread the love with target locks - when using Combined Fire (but it is still fine if I deathstar?).

It's not like markerlights helped against invisibile deathstars, due to their ruling that sets bs at 1 and multiple modifiers overriding all changes to bs.

Tons of people enjoy 40k for tournaments. It even has an international ''world cup'' style tournament in the ETC.....
One only has to look at this sites battle reports or army list sections to see tons of people are interested in using their toys to play in tournaments.

For me personally it's the most fun aspect of the hobby, I'm sure lots of others agree. 40k isn't a perfect tournament game but it isn't that bad when all is said and done.

I just don't see how you can arbitrarily comp the game and say it's competitive? If you feel like you MUST comp then why not go through every book and formation and balance them all via extensive playtesting by top level tournament players, that's the only fair way to comp.

All ITC has done is literally arbitrarily smashed Tau back to irrelevancy in the American tournament circuit. It has nothing to do with ''balance'' , it's totally skewed by players own armies as seen by the above vote example, Space marines can share rules but Tau can't (despite the clear RAW and RAI saying otherwise).....

ITC has not touched or has barely touched Ravenwing wolf friends, Gladius, Necrons, Eldar, War Convocation etc but it smashes Tau, how is this fair for American Tau players?

 Frozocrone wrote:
It's not like markerlights helped against invisibile deathstars, due to their ruling that sets bs at 1 and multiple modifiers overriding all changes to bs.

What are you talking about?

They changed the Invisibility Power to be hit at BS1 instead of snapshots.

The Tau errata on GW has since been removed so unless the new codex says they can increase ballistic skill even if it is set at one, then the ITC ruling combined with multiple modifiers stops markerlights working

in Combination with the result of that vote the no longer working markerlights... well Tau will have huge problems against death stars. realy nice, not!

I applaud ITC for trying to fix badly written rules and op ones, ibreally do, but...this seems a bit harsh, we have our own in house faq and as such don't use ITC so this makes no difference to me, but still... Harsh.

 Frozocrone wrote:
They changed the Invisibility Power to be hit at BS1 instead of snapshots.

The Tau errata on GW has since been removed so unless the new codex says they can increase ballistic skill even if it is set at one, then the ITC ruling combined with multiple modifiers stops markerlights working

You seriously think ITC lets people play that way?

On paper, I'm ok with the applied nerfs. I agree the Stompa thing is weird, it's been discussed already in the previous page so I won't add anything to it, I'll just say I wouldn't have done it that way.

The issue now is that, having nerfed Tau cheese, it would be the turn to swing the nerfbat at Decurion, Gladius, Eldar as a whole, etc. It's nice that the community finally seems truly concerned with making changes to GW garbage rules, but if you want to do it right, you can't just nerf a single army and let the rest of the main offenders walk free.

Once we see Necron, Eldar and Marine cheesemongers crying as hard as the Tau ones are now, we'll know it's been done right

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
They changed the Invisibility Power to be hit at BS1 instead of snapshots.

The Tau errata on GW has since been removed so unless the new codex says they can increase ballistic skill even if it is set at one, then the ITC ruling combined with multiple modifiers stops markerlights working

You seriously think ITC lets people play that way?

Reports I've seen alllow increase to bs. But if you're going strictly by their FAQ, then sucks to be Tau.

 Korinov wrote:
On paper, I'm ok with the applied nerfs. I agree the Stompa thing is weird, it's been discussed already in the previous page so I won't add anything to it, I'll just say I wouldn't have done it that way.

The issue now is that, having nerfed Tau cheese, it would be the turn to swing the nerfbat at Decurion, Gladius, Eldar as a whole, etc. It's nice that the community finally seems truly concerned with making changes to GW garbage rules, but if you want to do it right, you can't just nerf a single army and let the rest of the main offenders walk free.

Once we see Necron, Eldar and Marine cheesemongers crying as hard as the Tau ones are now, we'll know it's been done right

Except ITC doesn't do that. Those meta defining armies have been around for months and months and nothing was done. Tau is out a few weeks and gets rekt. Tau didn't even look ''that'' good to be honest. It's not like they got the Eldar book.

Not sure why you think this vote represents Community enlightenment, all it shows me is a sizable chunk of ITC players don't play Tau and don't want to play against Tau.

Only people crying are American Tau players. Nothing cheese mongering about the Hunter Contingent it is the fundamental core of the new book ><.

It's kinda the only reason to even buy the new book, since everything is 100% copy/paste besides the Hunter Contingent and formations (none of which are all that great, except maybe one). The new models had their full rules published in White Dwarf so you don't even need it for that.

Exactly,

Though The OSC is an excellent auxiliary formation, especially in the mirror match up.

I'm guessing people playing with these restrictions might aswell get used to facing one of the following lists.

#1
Drone Net VX1-0 16 MD
Heavy Retribution Cadre 2 SS 1 GK
Riptide Wing 3 Riptides

#2
Drone Net VX1-0 16 MD
Heavy Retribution Cadre 2 SS 1 GK
Optimized Stealth Cadre 2 SB 3 GK

 Frozocrone wrote:
It's not like markerlights helped against invisibile deathstars, due to their ruling that sets bs at 1 and multiple modifiers overriding all changes to bs.

wrong. markerlights specifically up your balistic skill even when snapfiring. Its written right in the rules. And its VERY important for tau, seeing as we have no other counter to invis, and aparently nobody wants us to ever either.