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I wonder if those Kroot rumors will turn out to be true after all then. I know someone provided evidence they were fake, but at the same time K'vor has said that Tau are not yet done campaign wise and are likely to see one more campaign this year. Maybe that means Kroot? Hmmm I don't know. This is just me speculating. i would love to see some Kroot love since every other tiny faction out there is getting some. Or a Tau Empire: Auxiliaries mini army? That is also a possibility.

Just chucking out some very unlikely ideas. Like take it with an ocean of salt ideas level.

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Out of left field it's secretly the Demiurge. As long as its a Xenos. We have too much Imperial factions.

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I swear to god if its Kroot battlesuits, Demiurge battlesuits, and Vespid battlesuits I'm going to be irritated. I know they sell well GW but sometimes you just have to make an interesting Tau unit that isn't a battlesuit.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Ahhh... faith rewarded!

Man, after putting an insane amount of effort into making my own version of these from scratch 6-7 years ago, it makes me so happy that they have kept the classic vibe and updated loyally to it. In fact, though my versions are obviously inferior, I don't think I will have any problem mixing the new ones in. I will say, I think I did a slightly better job differentiating the generations, I think the divide between 1-2 and 2-4 could have been slightly more pronounced. Still though, mind-numbingly good, this is such a win -

Big fan of your work. Im in a similar spot as you. For some time I've collected a Deathwatch force that I've customized myself (you can check it out in the link below) and I'm pretty excited about this release.

- Surprisingly enough I'm more impressed with the Genestealer Cult miniatures than with those of the Watch. Dont get me wrong, there are some awesome models there, like the White Scar biker or the Ultramarines Chaplain, but some other's I dont like that much specially the odd pose of the Raven Guard and the Blood Angel brothers (always disliked these "dynamic poses"; they look like dancers... ). That is not a big issue as I welcome this new material to convert and customize to my liking. But the genestealers... wow... those are brilliant. I love the Magus, the Primus and the aberrations specially but they all shine. 10/10 for GW.
- I was hoping it had the Betrayal at Calth mechanics (those were awesome imho), but It looks like its more closer to Execution Force. Thats a bit of a bummer. I was hoping also for modular tiles like Space Hulk but again it doesnt seem that's the way it plays. Im hoping that at least they care a little about the game and release some expansions in the future, or maybe boxed sets for either faction.
- Last of all, I wish they had comissioned Raymond Swanland for the art in the box and the cards. I think his codex covers are top notch. The deathwatch portraits in the cards, based in the short novels from Black Library are outright ugly.

At this rate, it's only a matter of time until we get squats. They already reintroduced them into the fluff after all. The question is who will pull the trigger 1st. GW adding them to 40k or FW adding them to 30k for their milita army.

 Lockark wrote:
At this rate, it's only a matter of time until we get squats. They already reintroduced them into the fluff after all. The question is who will pull the trigger 1st. GW adding them to 40k or FW adding them to 30k for their milita army.

When did they reintroduced them in the fluff? Or are you taling about the demirug ? Hopefully the squats stays in the dustbin, as they were a really boring concept. I'd rather see a million other thing instead of them

 gorgon wrote:
The WD article got Neophytes and Acolytes reversed. .

I'm loving some of the details on these minis -- the nose plugs, the top of the Magus's staff, etc.

Yeah, I just noticed that too. Hope they aren't reversing that given how well they are preserving so much of the old Cult goodness.
-Tim

Exodites. Nice rumor. Atia mentioned them before and she does have the connections to take her seriously. Jes has always been busy with Eldar of all kinds. They could get released within the next years if she says so.

Before releasing exodites I'd hope they would make aspect warriors in plastic. Most of these sculpts are old and crappy

And there goes my purchasing moratorium. God damnit

Oh yes. Two boxes for me. If the price is right, four boxes.

 zedmeister wrote:

You know what that means, don't you? Squats! Demiurg! And I'm actually being serious. At this point, all bets are off...

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Bring on the return of the Squats! They can go up against Zoats!


Later.... sisters?

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Thank you, MajorTom. I'll retire to the shadows, since it's unlikely I'll change any hearts at this point. If anyone wishes to respond, that's fine. I'll remain silent after this post.

I don't understand your concern. Games Workshop used to produce multiple board games that included miniatures that could be used with the board game and with the WH/WH40k games. Then they got away from that. Now they've started to do it again.

His opinion is that they're charging extra for the boardgame aspect, instead of just selling the minis. The opposite opinion is that this box averages to ~$3 per mini and the game is free, otherwise GW would charge an arm and a leg for individual character minis and squad boxes.

It's up to personal opinion/taste to determine which camp you fall under.

What Armyman doesn't seem to understand is that a fair few of us like 40k, or what it used to be. I haven't played the core game in quite some time, but I still love (much of) the setting and background, so a self-contained boardgame with lovely models that can be used in or out of the game holds a good deal of value to me, and I'm sure many of the rest of us. Just like Execution Force, or Calth, or Space Hulk before it.

 the_Armyman wrote:
So, now the price for people playing 40K is $173. Interesting.

Good point. I only hope that they release the Marines and Cult characters in individual HIPS blisters, priced in keeping with their other single-character blisters - in the exact same way that they did with the Assassins. That way marine players can skip the boxed set and instead pay only $30 each a la carte for the named character models in the boxed set, and skip the overpriced Chinese cardboard and game rules.

That makes the Deathwatch marines come to about $360-80, depending on the cost of the Termie and Biker. That's a much better "price for people playing 40K", amirite?

Then you can buy the stealers separately.

 Breotan wrote:
Has in been determined if the Deathwatch shoulderpads are decals or embossed?

HIPS models though, so piss-easy to file or scrape off if you want to redesignate any or all of the marines. The other bling is where it gets a little trickier, but not too terribly so.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
At this rate, it's only a matter of time until we get squats. They already reintroduced them into the fluff after all. The question is who will pull the trigger 1st. GW adding them to 40k or FW adding them to 30k for their milita army.

When did they reintroduced them in the fluff? Or are you taling about the demirug ? Hopefully the squats stays in the dustbin, as they were a really boring concept. I'd rather see a million other thing instead of them

In the 6th edition rule book when they are talking about the imperiuem, there is a section on Ab-Humans.


Not the Demirug, Honest to goodness Squats. lol Also Forge World's Imperial Milita list for 30k let's you take "Ab-Human" and "Survivors of the Dark Age" doctrines together that suspiciously makes the army act almost how you would expect a modern Squat Army would. It's pretty clear this was the intent.

I don't think the "Squat Empire" from 2nd ed would come back in anyway besides being some worlds that were brought to compliance dureing the great crusades. The fluff bit from the 6th ed rule book seemed to clearly imply that the Squats have been integrated into the imperium of man by the time of 40k.

FW has been re-introducing classic 2nd ed SM designs with 30k, and GW has brought back the Haliquins and Genestealer Cults. Squats is bassicly the last big 2nd ed thing they could go back to and revisit now. XD

Chikout wrote:
I will post this in here but it is maybe new thread worthy. Over on bolter and chainsword Lady Atia said that both factions will get proper rules later this year, presumably a harlequin style codex each. The more interesting nugget is that these are not the only new old factions coming this year. She later mentioned that it is not squats and that we may get exodites in 2 years (the faction I have been waiting for) So that means Sisters?

I wonder if these mini-codices are going to be expanded later on, or merged together. Supposedly the two AdMech books will be merged, with some new units. If they do Exodites, they could later merge them and harlequins (and Dark Eldar :( ) into a single "Eldar Allied forces" codex with various formations. A Codex Deathwatch could be made part of an "Agents of the Imperium" book with Assassins, Sisters of Battle, Legion of the Damned, and Inquisition. Just Have different army marks for the various "sub factions" in the book to define who can share a detachment with whom.

I don't think Legion of the Damned come under Agents of the Imperium, since they pretty much do as they please.I'd just leave them with their own book.

Back on topic: detachable rules for 40k eh? Guess I'm buying a hard copy of next week's WDW.

GW have turned a corner this last year when it comes to releasing stuff for the veterans. Cannot wait for GS Cults!

 Lockark wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
At this rate, it's only a matter of time until we get squats. They already reintroduced them into the fluff after all. The question is who will pull the trigger 1st. GW adding them to 40k or FW adding them to 30k for their milita army.

When did they reintroduced them in the fluff? Or are you taling about the demirug ? Hopefully the squats stays in the dustbin, as they were a really boring concept. I'd rather see a million other thing instead of them

In the 6th edition rule book when they are talking about the imperiuem, there is a section on Ab-Humans.


Not the Demirug, Honest to goodness Squats. lol Also Forge World's Imperial Milita list for 30k let's you take "Ab-Human" and "Survivors of the Dark Age" doctrines together that suspiciously makes the army act almost how you would expect a modern Squat Army would. It's pretty clear this was the intent.

I don't think the "Squat Empire" from 2nd ed would come back in anyway besides being some worlds that were brought to compliance dureing the great crusades. The fluff bit from the 6th ed rule book seemed to clearly imply that the Squats have been integrated into the imperium of man by the time of 40k.

FW has been re-introducing classic 2nd ed SM designs with 30k, and GW has brought back the Haliquins and Genestealer Cults. Squats is bassicly the last big 2nd ed thing they could go back to and revisit now. XD

Loving the Genestealers

Well Sisters must come first - surely - they really must!!

And of course Felinds means Cat Girls

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
At this rate, it's only a matter of time until we get squats. They already reintroduced them into the fluff after all. The question is who will pull the trigger 1st. GW adding them to 40k or FW adding them to 30k for their milita army.

When did they reintroduced them in the fluff? Or are you taling about the demirug ? Hopefully the squats stays in the dustbin, as they were a really boring concept. I'd rather see a million other thing instead of them

In the 6th edition rule book when they are talking about the imperiuem, there is a section on Ab-Humans.


Not the Demirug, Honest to goodness Squats. lol Also Forge World's Imperial Milita list for 30k let's you take "Ab-Human" and "Survivors of the Dark Age" doctrines together that suspiciously makes the army act almost how you would expect a modern Squat Army would. It's pretty clear this was the intent.

I don't think the "Squat Empire" from 2nd ed would come back in anyway besides being some worlds that were brought to compliance dureing the great crusades. The fluff bit from the 6th ed rule book seemed to clearly imply that the Squats have been integrated into the imperium of man by the time of 40k.

FW has been re-introducing classic 2nd ed SM designs with 30k, and GW has brought back the Haliquins and Genestealer Cults. Squats is bassicly the last big 2nd ed thing they could go back to and revisit now. XD

Loving the Genestealers

Well Sisters must come first - surely - they really must!!

And of course Felinds means Cat Girls

The poor soul only just found out squats have become cannon agien! Let's not over whelm him!

My wishlist for new GW "revival" stuff:

-Necromunda (Escher and Cawdor!)

-Chaos Cultists in robes and shirtless

-Hrud! The sneaky-sneaky shrouded ones, yes-yes (not a remake of beloved models, but I need more Skaven love any way I can get)

-SoB with preachers, missionaries and general religious rabble

-Kroot love

Bloodbowl is in the works and if there's a Genestealer Cult release, anything goes (no catgirls). Exciting times.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I don't think Legion of the Damned come under Agents of the Imperium, since they pretty much do as they please.I'd just leave them with their own book.

Back on topic: detachable rules for 40k eh? Guess I'm buying a hard copy of next week's WDW.

next two weeks, next week is only deathwatch rules, week after that is genestealer cult rules.

Hopefully the WDs will include some extra missions and such, like they did for Calth. As a non-40k player with a longstanding history of playing 40k and Necromunda - I am actually really hyped about getting into the 'boardgame' aspect of this.

 Azazelx wrote:
Oh yes. Two boxes for me. If the price is right, four boxes.

 zedmeister wrote:

You know what that means, don't you? Squats! Demiurg! And I'm actually being serious. At this point, all bets are off...

Yeah, I had the same feeling. Bring on the return of the Squats! They can go up against Zoats!


Later.... sisters?

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
Thank you, MajorTom. I'll retire to the shadows, since it's unlikely I'll change any hearts at this point. If anyone wishes to respond, that's fine. I'll remain silent after this post.

I don't understand your concern. Games Workshop used to produce multiple board games that included miniatures that could be used with the board game and with the WH/WH40k games. Then they got away from that. Now they've started to do it again.

His opinion is that they're charging extra for the boardgame aspect, instead of just selling the minis. The opposite opinion is that this box averages to ~$3 per mini and the game is free, otherwise GW would charge an arm and a leg for individual character minis and squad boxes.

It's up to personal opinion/taste to determine which camp you fall under.

What Armyman doesn't seem to understand is that a fair few of us like 40k, or what it used to be. I haven't played the core game in quite some time, but I still love (much of) the setting and background, so a self-contained boardgame with lovely models that can be used in or out of the game holds a good deal of value to me, and I'm sure many of the rest of us. Just like Execution Force, or Calth, or Space Hulk before it.

 the_Armyman wrote:
So, now the price for people playing 40K is $173. Interesting.

Good point. I only hope that they release the Marines and Cult characters in individual HIPS blisters, priced in keeping with their other single-character blisters - in the exact same way that they did with the Assassins. That way marine players can skip the boxed set and instead pay only $30 each a la carte for the named character models in the boxed set, and skip the overpriced Chinese cardboard and game rules.

That makes the Deathwatch marines come to about $360-80, depending on the cost of the Termie and Biker. That's a much better "price for people playing 40K", amirite?

Then you can buy the stealers separately.

 Breotan wrote:
Has in been determined if the Deathwatch shoulderpads are decals or embossed?

HIPS models though, so piss-easy to file or scrape off if you want to redesignate any or all of the marines. The other bling is where it gets a little trickier, but not too terribly so.

Well for 11 plastic characters for the sm alone your looking at 200 easy so it's a fairly good deal on the box honestly . If your clever pricing what you don't want, you can easily make the cost of what you have no desire to keep. The only thing I'm concerned with is what I'm going to do with 3 sets of tiles I have no wish for... I'm also going to not keep some if the additional heroes for the GSC


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Binabik15 wrote:
My wishlist for new GW "revival" stuff:

-Necromunda (Escher and Cawdor!)

-Chaos Cultists in robes and shirtless

-Hrud! The sneaky-sneaky shrouded ones, yes-yes (not a remake of beloved models, but I need more Skaven love any way I can get)

-SoB with preachers, missionaries and general religious rabble

-Kroot love

Bloodbowl is in the works and if there's a Genestealer Cult release, anything goes (no catgirls). Exciting times.

You got something against catgirls? Sisters of Meyow not good enough?

I am hoping that there is a cross over to the main 40k game for these in an upcoming campaign book. If not then second edition rules will do, these minatures are too gorgeous to be confined to just this board game. A new nids codex would also be nice, just sayin. I know sisters need an update desperately but it has been coming every year since I can remember so another year won't hurt will it...

 daemonish wrote:
I am hoping that there is a cross over to the main 40k game for these in an upcoming campaign book. If not then second edition rules will do, these minatures are too gorgeous to be confined to just this board game. A new nids codex would also be nice, just sayin. I know sisters need an update desperately but it has been coming every year since I can remember so another year won't will it...

rules for 40k for all models from the game will be available in the two white dwarfs following it's release.

 daemonish wrote:
I am hoping that there is a cross over to the main 40k game for these in an upcoming campaign book. If not then second edition rules will do, these minatures are too gorgeous to be confined to just this board game. A new nids codex would also be nice, just sayin. I know sisters need an update desperately but it has been coming every year since I can remember so another year won't hurt will it...

Sisters are gone I think we should just come to terms that gw isn't going to release any. I heard since 2005 that we would get plastic sisters next year, next year, then it be oh they have problems with plastics.. Oh it will be the year after...


I have come to the realization that they will just go one day from the web store and they will just get the same answer squats do at any kind of public interaction. Sometimes a laugh but mainly iritation from the design team.

 daemonish wrote:
I know sisters need an update desperately but it has been coming every year since I can remember so another year won't hurt will it...

I don't understand your logic.

migooo wrote:

 daemonish wrote:
I am hoping that there is a cross over to the main 40k game for these in an upcoming campaign book. If not then second edition rules will do, these minatures are too gorgeous to be confined to just this board game. A new nids codex would also be nice, just sayin. I know sisters need an update desperately but it has been coming every year since I can remember so another year won't hurt will it...

Sisters are gone I think we should just come to terms that gw isn't going to release any. I heard since 2005 that we would get plastic sisters next year, next year, then it be oh they have problems with plastics.. Oh it will be the year after...


I have come to the realization that they will just go one day from the web store and they will just get the same answer squats do at any kind of public interaction. Sometimes a laugh but mainly iritation from the design team.

Genestealer Cults got a new launch and models..................so lets not assume although its sad still nothing...........

Coming in somewhat late, but I'll echo the observations of many before me that the models here are great and GW's "board game" offerings have vastly improved from the days of Execution Force. That game was ~$5 a miniature and was dramatically less interesting in terms of sculpts. Not sure if I'll snag this, but being an old fogey with 40k seeing the GS cult live again is sorely tempting.

However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

 Krinsath wrote:
However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

I first started reading rumours about this game just before Christmas 2014, so over a year ago. 18 months sounds believable for the lead time from approved product to launch.

Personally I'm not fussed whether this is a result of Kirby stepping down, I'm just glad it's happening. Makes me wonder if this kind of thinking could have been used to rejuvenate Warhammer Fantasy, rather than replacing it.

 Krinsath wrote:
Coming in somewhat late, but I'll echo the observations of many before me that the models here are great and GW's "board game" offerings have vastly improved from the days of Execution Force. That game was ~$5 a miniature and was dramatically less interesting in terms of sculpts. Not sure if I'll snag this, but being an old fogey with 40k seeing the GS cult live again is sorely tempting.

However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

I am fairly sure one of the sources said that this was already finished around the same time as Execution Force.

El Torro wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

I first started reading rumours about this game just before Christmas 2014, so over a year ago. 18 months sounds believable for the lead time from approved product to launch.

Personally I'm not fussed whether this is a result of Kirby stepping down, I'm just glad it's happening. Makes me wonder if this kind of thinking could have been used to rejuvenate Warhammer Fantasy, rather than replacing it.

Yeah some sort of amazing dungeon tile game with Chaos Dwarfs and hobgoblins as the bad guys perhaps? It could have been great - but at least we know there is an AoS boardgame coming too, and if it matches the quality of Deathwatch Overkill it should be a real winner!

 Bottle wrote:

El Torro wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

I first started reading rumours about this game just before Christmas 2014, so over a year ago. 18 months sounds believable for the lead time from approved product to launch.

Personally I'm not fussed whether this is a result of Kirby stepping down, I'm just glad it's happening. Makes me wonder if this kind of thinking could have been used to rejuvenate Warhammer Fantasy, rather than replacing it.

Yeah some sort of amazing dungeon tile game with Chaos Dwarfs and hobgoblins as the bad guys perhaps? It could have been great - but at least we know there is an AoS boardgame coming too, and if it matches the quality of Deathwatch Overkill it should be a real winner!

Among the five people still playing AoS by that point, I'm sure it will be

Zoats wouldn't be too of the mark for GSC both are tyranid forerunner organisms


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

El Torro wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
However, before we go proclaiming the Golden Age of Rountree after the dark days of the Reign of Kirby, does anyone have an idea of what GW's pipeline is on developing a product? I would imagine with him being in charge for a year now that these are products he pushed forward, but I dimly recall it being mentioned once that GW's release schedule is basically set about 18 months in advance. That could have been hallucinated though, or another company in the same market.

Just trying to calibrate if Rountree is really understanding what GW was doing wrong under Kirby and taking measures to correct it, or if this was already the direction they were moving in and he's more likely just not done anything to gum up the works (which is still better than Kirby would have managed, IMO).

I first started reading rumours about this game just before Christmas 2014, so over a year ago. 18 months sounds believable for the lead time from approved product to launch.

Personally I'm not fussed whether this is a result of Kirby stepping down, I'm just glad it's happening. Makes me wonder if this kind of thinking could have been used to rejuvenate Warhammer Fantasy, rather than replacing it.

Yeah some sort of amazing dungeon tile game with Chaos Dwarfs and hobgoblins as the bad guys perhaps? It could have been great - but at least we know there is an AoS boardgame coming too, and if it matches the quality of Deathwatch Overkill it should be a real winner!

Among the five people still playing AoS by that point, I'm sure it will be

Harsh..