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Is there a miniatures only pledge level?

 the_Armyman wrote:
Exactly 5 people are buying this as a boardgame. I took a worldwide survey, and those were the numbers I got. The other 45,329 people are purchasing this for 40K. 40K. The game that makes all these other experiments like AOS and boutique boardgames possible. Wouldn't you prefer for $165, that this boxed set contained rules for 40K instead of some foreign cardstock filler? A 48 page campaign booklet with the full rules included (not another $8 and two issues of WD over 2 weeks)?.

Ah yes. 165$ for just models and 40k rules rather than 165$ for models, board game AND 40k rules is much better obviously

(oh and nice "testing waters" they did as you claimed they would do. Whopping 1 week difference before rules for 40k and board game. Hyper quick thing! Their lead times are usually 18 months. Now you claim they tested waters for less than 0 seconds(it's not even on sales yet we know 40k rules are in...)

And yeah your worldwide survey...Care to show where? How? Lots of people likely don't even know your survey so it's hardly conclusive. Oh and just because somebody buys it for 40k doesn't mean they can't find the game itself good bonus. That was pretty much my space hulk purchase as a matter of fact. Bunch of cool termies and some stealers for 40k. Game was still nice bonus. Better to have models, 40k rules AND game for same price rather than just models and 40k rules.

After all...Now we are getting for 165$ models, game AND 40k rules while you would prefer them to dumb the game for...what? not even price reduction since you say same price? I mean I could understand your point of view better if you said "dump the game and have it 120$" or something but 165$ for less content seems...Odd? Could you maybe elaborate that more?

IDEALLY we would have cheaper box with just models and more expensive with board game but c'est'la'vie.

But better 40k rules wouldn't have happened anyway. Not like the 40k rules are linked to board game rules. Same models, same 40k rules.

$25 USD tax for getting the game in the US. I am going halfsies for the Deathwatch and a buddy is taking the GC. $82.5 for 11 Marines is a bit much, but oh well.

At current exchabge rates Europeans pay the equivalent of £113, in Australia it £144. Here in Japan it is £146. Six months ago it woulf have been £122. The weak pound is good for Gw as an
exporting company.

I actually love that it turns out this is a historical, 'a first Genestealer contact' story by the look of it.

Also with about a three month lead time between making and releasung a white dwarf, it is safe to assume that the price was set at least that long ago. You cant blame Gw for the pound tanking. You can blame them for continuing to shaft the east though.

Just reading back over the last couple of pages one thing that does strike me is that the majority of people buying this set will probably keep the miniatures and then bin or sell the actual game components.

The same thing happened with BaC, not so sure about Execution Force but it certainly was a better deal to buy the game just for the minis rather than buying the assassins seperately.

Obvioulsy that is the big draw, I have 2 BaC sets because thhe savings on the marines was too good to pass up.

However for everybody who is buying the box just for the figures I would say - Give the game a try!

I only say that because this seems to be a step in the right direction for GW - they are actually writing games again.

OK so Execution Force and BaC weren't mind blowing in terms of rules and design - but they were fun, and the rules work.

In other words so far they haven't sucked, maybe they're not as good as Space Hulk but they aren't bad.

So give the game a try, you might be pleasantly surprised and hopefully it will encourage GW to try more new tings in the future.

I certainly plan to play the game, and also to put the GSC models together with the Space Hulk Genestealers to form the core of a 40k army

 Slinky wrote:
I certainly plan to play the game, and also to put the GSC models together with the Space Hulk Genestealers to form the core of a 40k army

Me too.

I am considering getting this as a boxed game only. Have no interest in playing 40k, but getting some nice models and a game in a setting I am fond of? Done deal.

I love these type of games, they are a nice break from 40k, and we will play D:OK for sure. We also use the tiles to add subterranean areas to our 40k games where you have to solve missions too. Such battles have become club members-favourite 40k games and these and the BaC tiles with larger rooms are a welcome addition to the Space Hulk tiles. The old Fat Dwarf Space Hulk tiles are great for these scenarios, too.

 jorny wrote:
I am considering getting this as a boxed game only. Have no interest in playing 40k, but getting some nice models and a game in a setting I am fond of? Done deal.

Were I to buy it, that would be my plan, too. I have no interest in a Genestealer cult army and only the Imperial Fist model matches one of my armies.

However, these are very nice sculpts.

 jorny wrote:
I am considering getting this as a boxed game only. Have no interest in playing 40k, but getting some nice models and a game in a setting I am fond of? Done deal.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. And to me DW:OK seems to have a similar depth to sink your teeth into, like Space Hulk. I can imagine homebrew rules for additional forces could really bring the game alive and give it longevity.

I don't play 40k but occasionally paint up models (like my Skitarii), I will no doubt try adding them into this game to see what madness I can brew up :-)

Chikout wrote:
Also with about a three month lead time between making and releasung a white dwarf, it is safe to assume that the price was set at least that long ago. You cant blame Gw for the pound tanking. You can blame them for continuing to shaft the east though.

Whilst I'm hardly unsympathetic, I wonder if people living in the East know how much it costs GW to ship their products over there? I've bought Kotobukia and Bandai models from Japan on a regular basis and shipping nearly doubles the price every time.

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 Hanskrampf wrote:
100 GBP = 140 EUR? What kind of conversion rate is GW using? This may be cheaper ordering from UK, even with shipping.

For us it's a big problem, no matter what discount we apply we can't compete with UK online retailers on that one. It's not the first time it happens, but for that box specifically and at that price I already know that we are losing sales and there is not a thing we can do about it. It's really aggravating.

PS-
In case that wasn't mentioned before, as I didn't really read much of that thread these past days, rules for the DW and the Cult will become available for free on the GW website in the near future.

The solid shell is S7 AP3? Damn, that makes the Deathwatch frag cannon even better!

I also missed the part of heroic intervention that they ignore disordered charge, thats neat.

Very interesting datasheets for the Deathwatch marines included in the box. Says right there they have the "Deathwatch Faction" meaning they're probably going to have more models and formations released at a later time. Fielding them alone isn't really an option since they don't have Independent Character rules (except cassius) and a single wound T4 3+ save model would get clipped pretty quickly in a regular game of 40K.

I think this is going to be a great release for imperial and xenos players both, if we see it fleshed out more. I can't wait to see the genecult rules next week!

I really just want 3-4 sets of those tiles. make a great addition to the BaC tiles to make each game more unique

The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Very interesting datasheets for the Deathwatch marines included in the box. Says right there they have the "Deathwatch Faction" meaning they're probably going to have more models and formations released at a later time. Fielding them alone isn't really an option since they don't have Independent Character rules (except cassius) and a single wound T4 3+ save model would get clipped pretty quickly in a regular game of 40K.

I think this is going to be a great release for imperial and xenos players both, if we see it fleshed out more. I can't wait to see the genecult rules next week!

Rules are not included in the box, they are available in the white dwarf or from the GW website.

Right now the only good way to field them, in my opinion, is as an allied detachment of Jensus Natorian + Squad Donatus

 Imateria wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Also with about a three month lead time between making and releasung a white dwarf, it is safe to assume that the price was set at least that long ago. You cant blame Gw for the pound tanking. You can blame them for continuing to shaft the east though.

Whilst I'm hardly unsympathetic, I wonder if people living in the East know how much it costs GW to ship their products over there? I've bought Kotobukia and Bandai models from Japan on a regular basis and shipping nearly doubles the price every time.

Heh. Somehow I don't think GW use the same shipping options you have available when buying a couple of products.

It's between $800 to 900 USD per 40" container from London to Shanghai, btw (+$100 to Tokyo).

 Hanskrampf wrote:
The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

Yup, really weird that those 4 are not IC's, maybe in the future when deathwatch gets a full release this will get adressed (with formations or they will be made ICs) for now only the 2 IC's and the troops choice seem worth it. Maybe the terminator, but for 60 points he is kinda meh.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

TDA models can run.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

There are some perks. If you look at the split fire rules, it doesn’t say the model that has the rule needs to be the one shooting at a different target. And rules like Stubborn and Stealth just need one guy in the squad to have it to benefit everyone.

The killteam is an overpriced mish-mash of rules, guys, and gear. It’s not something I’d take as-is, unless they get some formations/detachments/special rules. If at some point we get the option to build our own, I think some very nice squads could be put together.

But right now they are just a bunch of cool models.

I find it rather funny that Cassius's sheet has it spelled out that Frag Grenades are Assault Grenades... like they are on, y'know, literally every other model that has them. The Scar having split fire is probably useful when you're using them as the one uber-squad, as it can you up to shoot one target and assault a different one, on his own it's completely pointless.

I do think these guys might do well in an actual Kill Team game at 200-300-odd points, given that you aren't likely to get whole squads in TDA or with JPs, but the odd mini with them when everyone's acting on their own is quite nice. The squad+ the two Jumpers or a jumper and the biker at 250 points is probably pretty neat, actually.

txdyz wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

TDA models can run.

Nevelon wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
The Kill Team rules are kinda poor, aren't they?

White Scar is the only one with Split Fire, but has only bolters.
Salamander in TDA is blocking the whole unit from running.

IC only on Blood Raven and Cassius. So the two jump pack guys, the Salamander and White Scar are units of there own if taken outside of the Kill Team and can't join anything?

There are some perks. If you look at the split fire rules, it doesn’t say the model that has the rule needs to be the one shooting at a different target. And rules like Stubborn and Stealth just need one guy in the squad to have it to benefit everyone.

The killteam is an overpriced mish-mash of rules, guys, and gear. It’s not something I’d take as-is, unless they get some formations/detachments/special rules. If at some point we get the option to build our own, I think some very nice squads could be put together.

But right now they are just a bunch of cool models.

You're both right. Seems like I need to read the Special rules section again. That does make it interesting again.

StraightSilver wrote:
Just reading back over the last couple of pages one thing that does strike me is that the majority of people buying this set will probably keep the miniatures and then bin or sell the actual game components.

The same thing happened with BaC, not so sure about Execution Force but it certainly was a better deal to buy the game just for the minis rather than buying the assassins seperately.

Yeah, I actually bought the BaC box and components, without minis, for 10 euros. It is a good price for a boardgame (turned out it is enjoyable enough), I feel, and I already had more than enough SMs and CSMs to use it, so...

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 Kanluwen wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
But are any of the games good? (SH aside)

I am guessing none of these are really designed to 'take off', i.e, no matter how popular, they aren't games made with any intended expansions? I would assume the gameplay of Calth and EF are lackluster a bit then?

Nope! They're just intended to be self-contained games for the most part. Betrayal at Calth had an "expansion" via WD that was basically just "Buy two Betrayals at Calth and you can add Daemons in as well".

Assassinorum had a similar "expansion" of a WD article with rules on switching out the chaos lord for a demon prince in case you have one just lying around. I wouldn't be surprised if a month after release there was a page of rules in WD to add in a lictor or something.

Assassinorum is nice because it's a cooperative multiplayer board game, the kind that's easy to get non-40k board gamers to play, but aside from the rooms being randomized, it's basically the same every time. It's a shame GW never support their board games post-release because it really could use some expansions and they've had plenty of opportunities to make relevant ones. When Kau'yon came out they could have easily released a Tau expansion based on the mission to kill one of the tau leaders. A few drones, maybe some stealth suits, a new plastic sculpt of a Tau leader, and new tau-ish room tiles for the game, throw it in a box, and call it an expansion.