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 Grimtuff wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Guillermo Del Torro may be designing GW minis after looking at the new Tzeentch sorcerer, first thing I thought of was hellboy 2 and Pans labrynth. Not a bad thing at all.

Thats a great source of inspiration for the design team.
Cant wait to see the elves now

So they'll look like members of Bros?

Well, 90's nostalgia would make sense, given the naming scheme is remind me of 90's Image Comics--FyreSlayer and BloodBound the massively muscled and be-pouched gun-toting antiheroes!

$40? So that's £25, like most of us guessed. A bit more than £20, which is the current max for infantry dudes on foot.

Archibald_TK on WS posted the EUR and GBP price

The Summoner is 30€, and also if I remember correctly 40$/24£.

 Mymearan wrote:
$40? So that's £25, like most of us guessed. A bit more than £20, which is the current max for infantry dudes on foot.

Yeah plus he's not really on foot so it's not too bad priced, comparatively.

He looks to be quite large too

 Red_Zeke wrote:
That seems pretty cheap for a RealmGate Wars campaign book. I wonder if its the campaign one or a Black Library fiction one?

That looks like a novel/novella price, expect the campaign one to price in at around $75, like the others.

For the life of me I can't understand why they don't dual purpose these AOS chaos models into 40k.

Zywus wrote:But does it really matter that much that they are bigger?

Yes.

Bigger and coated in more fiddly detail. That's all that matters.

To pot with proportion and structure.

auticus wrote:
To a lot of people, appearance doesn't really matter, or matter little.

To other people, appearance is a big deal and those people are going to be the people that buy these models.

To some people, appearance is a big deal, and that's why they won't buy these.

Especially at that price.

Like I've been arguing elewhere, it's not as simple as good, loyal, appreciative, generous GW fans with standards, vs. miserly, unpleasable haters who'll buy any old drek. (Unpleasables who'll buy anything, hm) The venn diagram's a bit more complicated than that.

E.g. I still think they look a bit over the top and wonky, but I might actually consider them if they were cheaper and I could take a knife and a skim of greenstuff to them. But at sixty quid per, it's far too much; especially for something I'd have to work hard at, to tone them down a bit.

Chopxsticks wrote:Do any of you actually pay the full retail price?

Not AoS minis, but I figure that even with a 25% discount from Triple Helix, I'll have to spend £60 to get 40 basic dark elf troops. That's just over thirteen times as many minis as one varanguard box from GW! And three-and-a-bit units for Dragon Rampant.
But still, if they were priced like some of the new historical plastic sets (and probably, arranged in the sprue like them) you could get that many minis in one box for £20, or a couple pounds more. Heck, at the more fantasy-tax price of a quid a mini, that some fantasy plastics and even restics manage to beat, I'd be saving a nice, fat, crisp, 1/3rd-of-the-cost £20 to put towards dark riders, or summink.

Ashiraya wrote:
From an in-universe standpoint, why did everyone change their names anyway?

Aneurisms.

Oh sorry, you said in-universe.

infinite_array wrote:
I actually just checked - you could get 3 Aventine Hellenistic elephants with towers and crews for each for a little less than these models.

Thanks for answering the question that just popped into my head.

Elemental wrote:
Well, 90's nostalgia would make sense, given the naming scheme is remind me of 90's Image Comics--FyreSlayer and BloodBound the massively muscled and be-pouched gun-toting antiheroes!

I know! Right?

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
For the life of me I can't understand why they don't dual purpose these AOS chaos models into 40k.

The Herald on disc already has rules in the Daemon codex. It's a herald on disc.

 Sammoth wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
They're certainly not bargains,

but I think a lot of people don't realise how big they are compared to the 'old' mounted chaos minis

This a 1000 times. They are much bigger and better looking.

Bigger than Bloodcrushers/Dragon Ogres? Big enough that they use enough plastic to make 15 Chaos Knights?

Pull the other one, it has got bells on.

The new Varanguard and Sorcerer are really nice models. I may scoop them up along with Skarbrand and put it together with the Chaos stuff that comes with the starter box. Hmmm. Christmas is just around the corner!

 Fango wrote:


That looks like a novel/novella price, expect the campaign one to price in at around $75, like the others.

Makes sense. Maybe all the 8 short stories compiled...

Those chaos varanguard knights are absolutely fething perfect for a death knight in a D&D campaign I'm running. fething GW and their cool models.

McNinja... thanks for that. I dont know how I didnt even consider it.

 Brometheus wrote:
McNinja... thanks for that. I dont know how I didnt even consider it.

You're welcome! I've been looking for a cool death knight model for weeks but thankfully my players aren't close to fighting it yet so I have time. They'll also be fighting a lich at some point, and I'll be using Nagash for him

Just to note, GW has now produced a plastic kit more expensive than the cheapest FW greater daemon; Archaon is 100 pounds vs the Keeper of Secrets at 96. That's the first benchmark guys! Next up is the Great Unclean One at 115, who thinks GW will have a more expensive plastic kit for AoS by the end of 2016?

I think it's definitely possible. They seem to be finding success with big fancy models. I'd take their plastic kits over FW (or any other type of) resin every day.

Gaunt Summoner not so exciting to me, but interested to see his rules. Looks like old Tzeentch models, not very new feeling.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
For the life of me I can't understand why they don't dual purpose these AOS chaos models into 40k.

The Herald on disc already has rules in the Daemon codex. It's a herald on disc.

Except the Gaunt Summoner is most likely Mortal and wouldn't have much of a 40k equivalent. Closest would be a Sorcerer with Mark of Tzeentch, but this guy's missing power armor to fit the aesthetic.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
For the life of me I can't understand why they don't dual purpose these AOS chaos models into 40k.

The Herald on disc already has rules in the Daemon codex. It's a herald on disc.

Except the Gaunt Summoner is most likely Mortal and wouldn't have much of a 40k equivalent. Closest would be a Sorcerer with Mark of Tzeentch, but this guy's missing power armor to fit the aesthetic.

There's absolutely nothing stopping you using it as a Herald on a disc.

NinthMusketeer wrote:who thinks GW will have a more expensive plastic kit for AoS by the end of 2016?

 Turalon wrote:
They look like a jazzed up knight, but at 6 times the price.

I don't really see what everyone is going on about them looking like the sigmarites. Granted they are armored, but in the same way as space marines and chaos space marines in 40k.

I really can't wait until something new comes out that isn't marines with swords.

If some fancy new elves come out that'd be great. I'd just need to find some square bases for them...

I'm psyched to see new Skaven...eventually...

I know there isn't anything stopping me from doing that. I'm just saying they could include a new unit called "gaunt summoner" in 40k alongside the disc heralds and give him different rules. Then I need to buy him to differentiate him and his rules from the rest of my disc heralds.

I just don't see why they wouldn't, once the rules are written they hardly cost you anything and gives people who aren't interested in AOS a reason to buy these models and care about them.

The first thing I thought about the model was "disk herald proxy"
But a burning chariot kit is the same price and gets me more points. Then I simply wondered what the point is to keeping it exclusive. I can't see a reason not to make these dual game models, especially when chaos could kinda include anything new and it wouldn't run into fluff barriers. I hoped he was his own badass dude with his own 40k rules, like the bloodthirster variants that were released awhile back.

 McNinja wrote:
Those chaos varanguard knights are absolutely fething perfect for a death knight in a D&D campaign I'm running. fething GW and their cool models.

Except for the fact that I believe it would probably look absurdly oversized besides most\all minis regularly used for D&D, I suspect.

Unless you're talking about an ogre death knight or something, of course.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Sammoth wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
They're certainly not bargains,

but I think a lot of people don't realise how big they are compared to the 'old' mounted chaos minis

This a 1000 times. They are much bigger and better looking.

Bigger than Bloodcrushers/Dragon Ogres? Big enough that they use enough plastic to make 15 Chaos Knights?

Pull the other one, it has got bells on.

I agree with you that the Varanguard are over priced, they're certainly well beyond my price range. However, when comparing them to other recent kits I can see how GW rationalized the pricing. The Varanguard look to be pretty big, almost Mortarch in size. Considering the Mortarch kit is $79 for 1 having the Varanguard be $100 for 3 isn't outrageous in that specific comparison. I don't GW cares what other companies' kits are priced at which greatly contributes to the sticker shock since we, as consumers. do care about the pricing of other kits and use them for comparison.

Chikout wrote:
As accurate a size comparison as I could make of the new knights

That is ridiculously huge. So they're like, what, old Archaon size? Almost Maggoth Lord size?

Yeah, that's my take - although it does explain the price point a bit. Will be interesting to see an actual model of it next to a normal juggernaut or cavalry model, but the photoshopping makes them seem absolutely massive.

I'm starting to wonder if AoS is not actually able to be called 28mm anymore. I know the number has been a misnomer for some time, but perhaps they really are aiming at something like 32mm (can't be 35mm right?) with the range?

Aren't the Blood Reavers comparable to old stuff? Those are the only dudes released so far that can really be compared to anything size-wise. The rest are either mutated or super humans.

Ah, so perhaps the human models will still match up with older WHFB lines and just be towered over by the marines? That would be great if so! I was worried all the models had gotten larger... (even though I'm not playing the game, I am definitely up for stealing sweet models for other purposes )

I'm not actually sure about that, but I remember reading that the Blood Reavers are comparable to old Chaos dudes. Couldn't find any good pics. The Blood Warriors (and other elite Chaos units) and Stormcast are supposed to be way bigger than normal humans. Archaon is even bigger, as are these knights. I wonder how big the Gaunt Summoner is?


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In this pic you can see that the Stormcast and Blood Warrior on the right are bigger than the Marine and Blood Reaver on the left. IIRC Marines are about the same height as normal humans, right? That would make the Blood Reaver similarly tall but beefier than a normal human.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if AoS is not actually able to be called 28mm anymore. I know the number has been a misnomer for some time, but perhaps they really are aiming at something like 32mm (can't be 35mm right?) with the range?

Nothing made by Citadel has been 28mm in a long time other than Lord of the Rings/Hobbit, which are 28mm truescale. Probably the last plastic kits of the late 1990's - 5/6th edition soldiers of the Empire, for example, 28mm to the eye. They have moved to at least 35mm scale "to the eye" in the last decade, with Age of Sigmar being even larger.




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 RiTides wrote:
Ah, so perhaps the human models will still match up with older WHFB lines and just be towered over by the marines?

Actually, marines are pretty short compared to pretty much every other product line in both 40k and AoS.