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I don't dispute the prices are always going up regardless of the material. I value GW plastic far more than resin or metal though. I won't even buy non-plastic models. I see a plastic character as an upgrade over a resin character, regardless of what the base material costs.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

Because they are described as daemons, It would be nice to see them for 40k as well.
Was the exalted deathbringer a daemon?

Who knows, they made the khorne daemon kin book to ride on the new blood thirster release, perhaps this model could finaly get us that tzeench daemon kin book

coldgaming wrote:
I don't dispute the prices are always going up regardless of the material. I value GW plastic far more than resin or metal though. I won't even buy non-plastic models. I see a plastic character as an upgrade over a resin character, regardless of what the base material costs.

Agree 100%, GW resin is terible, im glad to see them move back to platic.
But I am sad that metal is no longer an option, some of GW past metal models were just amazing. I still have a few i cant bring myself to part with

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

Cause... It's not a 40K model lol.

With the disc it should be.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

Cause... It's not a 40K model lol.

With the disc it should be.

The disc doesn't make it any more 40k, discs of Tzeench have been in fantasy for god knows how long.

Honestly the best price comparison to highlight how ridiculous this is:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Daemons-of-Chaos-Herald-of-Tzeentch-on-Burning-Chariot-WH

For the same price you could convert the summoner and have an exalted flamer, two screamers, and a number of bits leftover.

[edit] And if you want something closer to the WoC look, buy a Chaos sorcerer or Tzeentch Sorcerer for $15 and slap that on top instead, netting you an extra herald in the process.

Just write it into 40K if you want to use it.

You could use the disc as it is presented, or convert it into a Space Pope style floating disc if that is more SFy.

Sooo.. do we have any ideas what's in the next WDW then? Besides another freebie mission for HHBaC that is.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sooo.. do we have any ideas what's in the next WDW then? Besides another freebie mission for HHBaC that is.

I don't think there's anything coming for the rest of December. GW usually takes that month off regarding their release schedule.

And after that it's Slayer time!

 Bottle wrote:
And after that it's Slayer time!

Thought that was February?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
And after that it's Slayer time!

Thought that was February?

January is the Fyreslayers, February is the Wolves

Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.

Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.




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Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.

That's not just for today, Navarro. It's their new "Battle Brothers" program.

Archaon is pretty beastly, isn't he? Picked one up last week and good god.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's not just for today, Navarro. It's their new "Battle Brothers" program.

Archaon is pretty beastly, isn't he? Picked one up last week and good god.

Yeah I got a £10 voucher when I got the AoS starter on Wednesday. I'm gonna get Archaon after Christmas. I saw him in person, he's seriously impressive.

This Gaunt Summoner is sick as ****. I really enjoyed putting it together and I can't wait to use him as my disc herald for an event late Jan.

 Brometheus wrote:
This Gaunt Summoner is sick as ****. I really enjoyed putting it together and I can't wait to use him as my disc herald for an event late Jan.

Pic please?

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's not just for today, Navarro. It's their new "Battle Brothers" program.

Archaon is pretty beastly, isn't he? Picked one up last week and good god.

Ah I see, Its a very positive initiative and will help towards getting some complements for the starter like some paints and brushes or even towards an expansion.

Archaon is like the most awesome project you could have for chaos these days, I used to think the glottkin was the undisputed best chaos figure even after the online preview pictures of Archaon... well after seeing it live I must confess that Archaon takes the crown now. I mean Its so imposing and well designed that I'm bold enough to say that its one of GW best plastic kits ever.
People complain about being to big etc but really this is one of the few miniatures that really makes good use of plastics, I forgot how many times a massive dragon figure from any supplier looks like it cannot fly because its wings are too small or that its modeled with closed wings to save on casting problems and material... Archaon ignores all those limits and presents you with a huge monster with fully spread wide wings in all its visual glory. Its one of those models that truly showcases what can be done with plastics and a treat to the eyes.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.

Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.




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Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.

Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.

Alas Goblin Spider Riders have not been available in stores for years now, besides for those that has been gathering dust on the shelves since then without finding a buyer. So I doubt it will hint at any kind of repackaging.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.

Probably not the rancid horsemeat bit, but a GW fella has told me before something to the effect of, "well, let's put it this way, we sell a lot more 40k."

 Yodhrin wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Just back from visiting my local GW, according to the manager the transition from WFB to AoS was difficult but its picking up because he said his store was the one that sold more WFB kits in the county.
Talking about regulars and gaming he said that its very good for narrative campaigns etc but for tournament play he was using some tweaks... azyr was mentioned too. I also believe he mentioned that 10 regular players do AoS ( not sure how many casual ones do it in store too).
Looking at the new shiny things Archaon is bloody cool model MUCH better IRL, quite impressed with dynamic and bulk of the model. Good design too. I think pictures make you think the demon body is a bit fat but its not, the wings are just mind blowing huge and nice.
Noticed the new terrain board there too.

Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.




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Forgot to mention that if you got the starter today in store you would get £10 voucher.

Not to cast aspersions on the honour of your local bloke, but a GW store manager is hardly going to tell a customer that a GW product line is selling like rancid horsemeat at a BBQ are they.

I know but he actually told me that it was and still is hard times, he was surprisingly honest not only on that but on many other issues too ( like summoning can break the game etc). I'm not a regular or anything close to that, I go to the store like very few times a year and my pattern is go there with my 9 year old son pick some boxes and get out. So I look like the typical uninformed parent that will splash money on kits for its son, yet not once I was approached in an aggressive stereotypical GW salesman way.
Yesterday there was around 5 clients in store like 3 adults browsing and 2 teens painting, its always a busy store from what I can see and the fella seems to create a very good atmosphere there.
So for a fact I know they are not well informed on what is coming and that most salesman will paint you a bright picture of what they are selling, what Im telling you is that he was very mature about the product he was selling and in a clever way too.
As an example I picked up some bases for my AoS models and was not sure about the sizes for my arachnaroks or giants etc... the fella went far and beyond to find me the right sizes for them and even when I said that I do not know when I will back to the store he said that he will keep them instore for as long as I want. Thats a good approach to sales right there. Another example, do you know how he "sold" me the Archaon model? Since I was looking for bases he pointed me out that the miniature on the display case had the biggest GW circular base and that it was maybe a bit to big for the Arachnarok... smooth


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Wulfson_40K wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Oh there was no spider riders in store which was odd, he feels that repackaging for those is on the horizon.

Alas Goblin Spider Riders have not been available in stores for years now, besides for those that has been gathering dust on the shelves since then without finding a buyer. So I doubt it will hint at any kind of repackaging.

Always been there with the most traditional O&G plastics at my GW... I also noticed that some UK independent online stores removed it from the sites and its no longer available to order.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

That's like saying 'why are there no AOS rules for a Land Raider'......

Sword Of Caliban wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Why there are no 40k rules for the Gaunt Summoner?

That's like saying 'why are there no AOS rules for a Land Raider'......

Give it time.... those Sigmarines need something to travel in. Although it would need a repackage and price increase first.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Always been there with the most traditional O&G plastics at my GW... I also noticed that some UK independent online stores removed it from the sites and its no longer available to order.

While I cannot remember exactly when they were removed from order forms first, I know that by the end of 2013 they were already a direct only item. AFAIK UK and other European order forms are all identical when it comes to products availability, or at least I never noticed a difference. That would be quite an oddity for that kit out of all kits to have stayed available in the UK, thought it may have just been that the store already had stocks from before they were removed and didn't need to reorder for all that time.

Only O&G that we have available on our side are Orcs clips, Night Goblins, Water Trolls, Savage Orcs, Black Orcs, Arachnarok and Fanatics (also Giant). This one of the most if not the most affected WFB range when it comes to items going direct only, it lost so much and such a long time ago...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly the best price comparison to highlight how ridiculous this is:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Daemons-of-Chaos-Herald-of-Tzeentch-on-Burning-Chariot-WH

For the same price you could convert the summoner and have an exalted flamer, two screamers, and a number of bits leftover.

[edit] And if you want something closer to the WoC look, buy a Chaos sorcerer or Tzeentch Sorcerer for $15 and slap that on top instead, netting you an extra herald in the process.

Brilliant! That’s a really good idea Musketeer, I forgot about that model.
I really don’t understand the thinking on GW part, seeing as both of these are the same price and the chariot is clearly a better deal and comes with so many extra bits.

Shame on GW for such a price hike

@GraywarTS - this is a result of the "new" way GW does its price increases. Basically, they don't price increase many of the old kits, and load all the price increases on all of the new kits.

That's why a Drop Pods are still $37 and Razorbacks are still $41. The alternative would be for GW to more evenly raise prices each year.

I'm not entirely convinced that the right way to do it is to pile on the price increases all into the new product, as it makes the newest kits crazy expensive compared to the older, still-relevant kits, but I do appreciate that the some of the new kits are far superior to some of the old kits.

I think the better way for GW to do it is to count the generation of product, and apply price increases broadly against product generations. For example, they shouldn't price increase finecast and metal models at all, and plastic models made pre 2008 using the older processes just enough to cover inflation. But instead of making every 2015 model super expensive, they should increase the prices of 2009+ models by a few percentage points, and match the pricing of the new product to the old.

So instead of a $40 character model versus a $25 plastic character model, they could all be just go up a buck a year. And that way, BA Tactical and SM Tactical would be priced similarly, SM Assault and BA Death Company would be priced similarly, but they would be subject to more inflation than, for example, SM Command, which are made with an older technology, have less bits per sprue, less crispness and detail, etc.

Yes I also think it's a bad idea on GW's part. But as I'm buying old WHFB kits for AoS rather than new kits, I love it! Haha

 Talys wrote:
@GraywarTS - this is a result of the "new" way GW does its price increases. Basically, they don't price increase many of the old kits, and load all the price increases on all of the new kits.

That's why a Drop Pods are still $37 and Razorbacks are still $41. The alternative would be for GW to more evenly raise prices each year.

I'm not entirely convinced that the right way to do it is to pile on the price increases all into the new product, as it makes the newest kits crazy expensive compared to the older, still-relevant kits, but I do appreciate that the some of the new kits are far superior to some of the old kits.

I think the better way for GW to do it is to count the generation of product, and apply price increases broadly against product generations. For example, they shouldn't price increase finecast and metal models at all, and plastic models made pre 2008 using the older processes just enough to cover inflation. But instead of making every 2015 model super expensive, they should increase the prices of 2009+ models by a few percentage points, and match the pricing of the new product to the old.

So instead of a $40 character model versus a $25 plastic character model, they could all be just go up a buck a year. And that way, BA Tactical and SM Tactical would be priced similarly, SM Assault and BA Death Company would be priced similarly, but they would be subject to more inflation than, for example, SM Command, which are made with an older technology, have less bits per sprue, less crispness and detail, etc.

What they need to do is come up with a set pricing structure that makes sense(infantry boxes of roughly this size all cost that much, vehicle boxes of this size all cost that much, and so on), and then make a public commitment to increasing prices annually only ever as much as inflation. The problem with the annual price increases wasn't that they were annual, it was that they were always above inflation so after a few years a product that should have gone up by a few percent had gone up by over a dozen. The system they replaced it with is, in the long run, even worse, because now they just front-load several years worth of the previous style price increases into a new product on release to account for however many years of inflation they expect to have to absorb before the product is replaced plus their usual "We're GW, we deserve our gold-plated ivory backscratchers dagnabbit!" bonus, which exacerbates the already extant problem people had affording their product and forces them to double and triple down on their low-volume, ever-higher pricing "strategy".

The relative crappiness of some kits isn't a pricing problem, that's a priorities problem; if GW wanted to they could refresh the oldest parts of their range in a fairly short period of time, but they don't want to, because those crappy old kits are free money - the moulding and R&D costs for them were paid off years and years ago, so every time they sell a box of the awful blobmen Cadians or mould line-ridden CSM every single penny of that inflated sticker price, less the pittance for materials and to ship it to the store, goes right into the "profit" column of their ledger.

Just got my Archaon and assembled him....

Now I know why he costs over $100!! (Got him for 128 on ebay). He is HUGE. He makes an imperial knight look small. Very cool kit, gws paint job doesn't do it justice. I've never owned another gw model with a base of this size, height, or shear magnatude.

He makes the bloodthirster look very small.

Kudos gw!