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Looking at the army massed together, there isn't much differentiating one unit from another. I concede that maybe that's because we're only yet seeing one unit for the army. I would just worry that the release will be a repeat of the sigmarines, where the unit variations aren't all that different from each other beyond weapons equipped.

Also, to add the standard dakkadakka whinging, the models are incredibly mono-pose for the exorbitant cost GW is asking. The detail on the models' musculature also doesn't look very good, despite that making up a substantial part of their form.

That's helpful bottle, thanks... but doesn't really change anything for me, they'll all be giants compared to my Forgeworld chaos dwarfs =/

It looks like a nice evolution of the slayer aesthetic to me. Scale creep is nothing new, and I'm OK with it because they don't look bigger than 8th edition Dwarf releases to me (and the older Dwarves are pretty darn small). The helmets alone are 1/3 of their height so I think they can look bigger at a glance when really they are mostly just thickly-built. Salamander looks meh to me, but I am thinking they will look better when quality photos come out.

Wasn't expecting full-on elemental Dwarves since the picture we had of actual slayers in AoS portrayed them as we see here. The Dwarf made from fire and lava picture was, I believe, supposed to be displaying their god.

The only thing that looks outright bad to me is the pose (and paintjob) of the shielded guys; that position is terrible for shields. I suspect the arms fit on like those from the Ogre infantry kits, limiting them to a single position before the hands are attached.

Also, prices are lol expensive but that's par for the course.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Looking at the army massed together, there isn't much differentiating one unit from another. I concede that maybe that's because we're only yet seeing one unit for the army. I would just worry that the release will be a repeat of the sigmarines, where the unit variations aren't all that different from each other beyond weapons equipped.

Also, to add the standard dakkadakka whinging, the models are incredibly mono-pose for the exorbitant cost GW is asking. The detail on the models' musculature also doesn't look very good, despite that making up a substantial part of their form.

The muscles do look weird on some of the models, especially the black bearded ones... But their paint job is horrid so that might contribute.

Well its about time, I am loving the look of these new Dwarves, sorry, duardin, its the first AoS release to really interest me.

Just what i was hoping for, although i was expecting some sort of monster sized machine instead of an actual monster.
Looks like its now time for me to start collecting some AoS models.

 RiTides wrote:
That's helpful bottle, thanks... but doesn't really change anything for me, they'll all be giants compared to my Forgeworld chaos dwarfs =/

Well yeah, but the FW Chaos Dwarfs were made to be in line with the early 2000s Dwarf releases. The ones that seemingly have no knees.

New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?

I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?

 Necros wrote:
New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?

I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?

If in doubt, ask! Drop them an email!

 Necros wrote:
New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?

Duh, It's neither. These days it's all about duardin and aelfs, silly.

 Zywus wrote:
Are these guys monopose?


And what's happened to their beards?!

Now These guys look more like the plastic Avatars of War slayers (4-5 years old now). Still great, but, as people are mentioning scale, those AoW dwarfs were a bit off GW scale and not sure what these will look like until we see a better pic with the duardin clearly next to an enemy, pref a Sigmarite and a Chaos dude.

Starting to translate the Fyreslayer Berzerker Hearthguard.
Unit size is 5 or more models, units can either be full Berzerker Broadaxes or Flamestrike Halberds. It looks like Pyresteel Throwing Axes are an "in addition to" for the primary weapons, but can't tell for sure.


Their first special rule is as follows:

Duty until Death:
The Berzerkers Hearthguard have sworn to protect their houses and Masters to their last breath. Whenever this unit suffers a wound or a Mortal Wound, roll a D6. On a roll of 6 or more, the wound is ignored. Add 2 to the result if a Fyreslayer Hero in your army is within 10 " of that unit.

Second special rule is as follows:

Incandescent Braziers:
The brazier chained to each Flamestrike Poleaxe ignites on the weapon when the enemy is struck , leaving a trail of sparks and flames. Whenever a figure attacking with Flamestrike Poleaxe gets a hit, roll a D6. On a 3 or more , the target suffers a mortal wound after the attacks have been resolved.

Normal caveat of translations may be wonky applies.

 reds8n wrote:
yeah, bit of a PITA for people but not too surprising.

.. although if they get much bigger not sure we can keep calling them "dwarfs"

They're like Thorin-sized Dwarves from the Hobbit movie. At least slightly smaller than human heroes legends. At the right camera angle!

In seriousness, a little hard to tell. Generally speaking, really nice looking dwarf models, but dwarves aren't my thing unless they're space-ish dwarves that suddenly the Tyranid didn't wipe out. Boy would I get excited if those came back!

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Necros wrote:
New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?

I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?

If in doubt, ask! Drop them an email!

I did just that! good news

This box set contains all of the parts to make a Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur, an Oldblood on Carnosaur, or a Troglodon.

Now.. can a FLGS get these or is it more direct only shenanigans?

They're general release, but might be limited stock at the start.

I really like the Salamander thing. Are these Friday's preorders?

The guy with the banner thing in the first picture with the two Salamanders at the back, is he the fella we saw the sprue for?

I don't think there will be that many up for preorder. It sounds like it will be the Berzerker Hearthguard this week and then another unit next week, then the book and heroes later.

Okay so I don't have to immediately budget for the Salamander, that's good

 Necros wrote:
New dwarves look great, no surprise there. Wait, is it dwarfs or dwarves? because it's elves and not elfs?

I do like that start collecting lizardmen box .. even though I have everything in it already.. well, I have an old metal carnosaur which is still one of my all time favorite GW minis. Anyone know if the carnosaur in that box can be built as a troglodon instead, or does that need some extra sprue that might not be in there? Might be worth picking up if so. Are they planning to keep those start collecting sets, as not-battleforce boxes?

The GW descriptions for the separate Carnosaur kits say they can be built as each other or as a Troglogon. The sprue shown looks exactly the same in both kits, so I think probably it is the same sprue as will be found in the Starter Box kit. This makes the Starter Box an awesome buy.

[Father Dougal]Those fellas are in the nip![/Father Dougal]

Quite like those. The helmets make them look like the kind of dwarfs you'd see in a Victorian staging of The Ring Cycle. Not bad for High Fantasy - makes a change from stubby Vikings.

 Mymearan wrote:
Jesus those are so cool. This feels like the first really great example of what round bases with no need to rank up can do for dynamic poses. And the Salamanders are insane! I think these will sell way better than both Stormcast and Bloodbound.

Yes! I think the Fyre Slayers will...

...dwarf the sales of the Stormcast.

I have honest doubts these Fyryslyrs are going to sell that well. The models are ok, but nothing out of the ordinary if compared to the amazing diversity of dwarf models in the market right now. The only thing that really makes them stand out, besides those helmets, is their pricing. Still remember all those people saying that AoS was a great idea as it would offer a more affordable alternative to Fantasy? I do, I do. Now the basic Fyryslyr is as expensive as the insanely priced Witch Elves, and can't even use the "dual kit" excuse.

It seems like the people being enthusiastic about the ur-slayers consist mostly of the long-suffering AoS fans who desperately hope this will be the turning point for the game.

Needless to say, I'm not convinced these hairy naturalists with oversized axes for 3-5£ per guy will be the salvation of AoS.

I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.

AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.


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 Zywus wrote:
Are these guys monopose?


And what's happened to their beards?!

I want to know if these shields can be modeled in a front facing pose, they look dumb with them waving about in the air lol.

WHITE DWARF WEEKLY 103 (ENGLISH) 4
FYRESLAYERS AURIC RUNEMASTER plastic clamshell 30
FYRESLAYERS VULKITE BERZERKERS plastic box  60
FYRESLAYERS HEARTHGUARD plastic box 40
THE BEAST ARISES: PREDATOR/PREY (HB) 2ND BOOK IN SERIES HARD BACK 40K NOVEL 17.5
RGW: THE BRIDGE OF SEVEN SORROWS AUDIOBK 4TH IN SERIES AoS Audio Book 17.5

Ouch,I hope that's 20 Berzerkers and not 10 cause that is steep.

What are the fyreslayers riding? Some sort of dracoth?

Nope

10 berserkers per box
5 hearthguard per box

Oooooo, hope it's a new audio book

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Oooooo, hope it's a new audio book

judgedoug wrote:RGW: THE BRIDGE OF SEVEN SORROWS AUDIOBK 4TH IN SERIES AoS Audio Book 17.5

We can only hope.

 Zywus wrote:
It seems like the people being enthusiastic about the ur-slayers consist mostly of the long-suffering AoS fans who desperately hope this will be the turning point for the game.

Well, the Fyreslayers haven't been met with universal scorn and derision, spoken of through gritted teeth and furrowed brow. That's kind of unsual for an AoS release...