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2016/01/04 20:52:33
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
I'm not a fan of the new slayers. Much like almost all AOS specific stuff, they take design features and embellishments that I like in moderation from WHFB and crank it up to an annoying 11. Slayers were my favorite unit next to the discontinued halfling subfaction in all of WHFB. Eh, no big deal though as I'm not exactly in the demographic that GW is going for with AOS.
The far-out shots look really nice to me. However, the close-up shot makes them look kinda rough, but I'm not sure if that's due to the positioning of the axes and shields or the paint job. I will reserve judgment until I see them on the website!
2016/01/04 21:55:17
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
It's no surprise. The word right back from when the AoS set first dropped was that AoS minis were all going to be a larger scale than WHFB was.
It's not 'scale creep' so much as simply that AoS is a different scale to WHFB.
The dwarfs are gorgeous minis. I'd be all over them if they were in a scale that was useful for something other than AoS...
2016/01/04 22:00:59
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Bottle wrote: I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.
AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.
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I want to know if these shields can be modeled in a front facing pose, they look dumb with them waving about in the air lol.
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Valete,
JohnS
Valete,
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2016/01/04 22:20:36
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Bottle wrote: I think even with the increased prices it still works out a lot cheaper than WHFB. Our regular Dark Elf player used to run a horde of Witch Elves even in 1250pt games - which was £140 in a single regiment, plus all the other stuff in his army.
AoS armies are much smaller than WHFB armies from experience which still makes the game on the whole cheaper than 8th. Plus no need to buy books if you don't want to.
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I want to know if these shields can be modeled in a front facing pose, they look dumb with them waving about in the air lol.
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Valete,
JohnS
Yes! This is what's been on my mind. To be perfectly honest- and I don't meant this as a rag on GW- when I saw *this* photo, I thought it was from another company like Mantic and thought "those dwarves look pretty similar to the other ones". Only come to find out it's the same set with a different paint job!
I'm not sure if it's just the paint or maybe the positioning of axe and shield that's making them look kinda...crappy.
And I say this thinking that in all the other pictures they look much better. But since this is the main close-up...well, I'm curious to see them close up in more shots.
2016/01/04 22:31:19
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
well after seeing the other pics, they are dissapointing, since it seems that they are monopose. The one with the shields are particuliarly bad
(shields are too small and it looks like you can only build them with the shields up in the air). At the price they are, I'd expect more than them having that same ridiculous pose. And, as some have said, don't know f it's the paintjob or something, but it seems like they are suffering from a severe case of catachanitist
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2016/01/04 22:39:48
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
If you look at the dwarves directly below the neck of the furthest away Lava Salamander it looks like the shields might be able to be modeled down and forward facing/sideward facing.
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2016/01/04 22:48:04
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Ugh, wow... Now let's imagine for a minute what the comments would be if Mantic released those models... The detail on the right arms and legs is just wrong. Looks like everything that can go wrong with trying to render organic shapes in HIPS. Maybe it's the paint jobs, but regardless, the poses are rediculous. Little jewel-like wonders, these most certainly are not!
Valete,
JohnS
Really can't understand how those shield clad Fireslayers are supposed to sell this new wave. They are truly atrocious looking models...the sculpting of the muscles around the arms and legs is so bad looking, the poses are a throwback to the bad parts of very retro plastic models, the shield arms don't look like they can pose in many ways due to the way the beards taper out around the chest and belly area, and the paint job is just bizarre
Hard to get enamoured with the fluff behind this army but I think I'll pick up a box or two as conversion fodder for my WHFB Slayer army. The scale creep leaves me cold but don't think it's impossible to mix these guys in with pre-existing dwarfs. I think the important thing is that the paint job undermines them and would like to see some of the work people do on them once they go on release.
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2016/01/05 00:15:45
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
2016/01/05 00:28:13
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Yodhrin wrote: *sigh* Well, that's that then, scale-creep confirmed. AoS figs will be usable for AoS and Space Marine conversions, everyone else can go whistle. Which is fair enough I suppose, just disappointing - even when I wasn't playing WHFB I bought an unhealthy amount of the kits for 40K/INQ28/Mordheim conversions, but since we seem to be up into 35mm-ish scale now with AoS that won't be happening any more.
It's no surprise. The word right back from when the AoS set first dropped was that AoS minis were all going to be a larger scale than WHFB was.
It's not 'scale creep' so much as simply that AoS is a different scale to WHFB.
The dwarfs are gorgeous minis. I'd be all over them if they were in a scale that was useful for something other than AoS...
Hmm. I could take or leave the Fyreslayers(ugh, get a grip GW, using a Y instead of an I isn't going to stop third party folk making not-Fyreslayers), but that's mainly because they completely piss all over the basic concept of what a Slayer should be, both in the fluff and the aesthetic. It's more that they confirm that even if we eventually do get "Free Peoples" models and they look good, they'll be unusable for anything I'd want them for.
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Wow. Ouch. The old Warhammer starter set monopose Orcs (not the super-old ones-the dual wielders and archer versions that have the modern orc look) from the 90's look better, and are 20 years old.
That is some truly atrocious musculature on the slayers, bad paintjob or not.
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Nocturnus wrote: Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
I feel like you may not actually be worried about "the risk of being called a hater" if you're using terms like "Age of Stinkmore".
Those shield dwarfs with the black/yellow beards are kind of a bewildering paint job. I'd be interested in seeing an alternate version. I would have presumed it was a generic hobbyist paint job, but... in the release White Dwarf?? They eyes aren't even painted in. Or they're trying for some weird effect? And the light brass is too close to the skin tones for any useful contrast...
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2016/01/05 01:02:06
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Most likely the 4th audiobook in the death realm series dealing with a stormcast lord celestant and a certain unreliable vampire trying to find their way to the underworld to meet nagash. Fun fact in the third one nagash has "woken" up so I am quite excited for the lore developments in that audio book.
Now on the slayers I think they look great I may pick up a box.
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2016/01/05 01:23:02
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
i'll be grabbing the two characters, at least...
maybe the Salamander...
definitely not the infantry...
i prefer the 8th ed. heavy infantry, by a long shot, but the two characters look like they will be a lot of fun to paint...
love the look of the helmets and crests!!!
cheers
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2016/01/05 01:27:43
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
Oh my gosh, they're so bad. The black hair colour scheme may have been a proof of concept that somebody thought "meh, what the hell" and got added to the magazine as a filler. The bodies look monopose with separate hands, which explains why the shields are in such ridiculous positions - they're posed for holding the comedy axes.
Nocturnus wrote: Wow. Those Dwarves are terrible. At the risk of being called a hater, I don't find any of the Age Of Stinkmore models exciting or even well designed. And with the ridiculous pricing, one has to wonder how long this can go on.
I feel like you may not actually be worried about "the risk of being called a hater" if you're using terms like "Age of Stinkmore".
Those shield dwarfs with the black/yellow beards are kind of a bewildering paint job. I'd be interested in seeing an alternate version. I would have presumed it was a generic hobbyist paint job, but... in the release White Dwarf?? They eyes aren't even painted in. Or they're trying for some weird effect? And the light brass is too close to the skin tones for any useful contrast...
Fair enough. I just realized that they look to be on par with the original plastic Goliaths from Necromunda or the plastic Catachans. After buying and playing GW games for over 20 years, this game really seems to be a giant misstep. Back to the minis.
2016/01/05 02:41:13
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours - Duardin Fyreslayers page 17
...truly atrocious looking models... the sculpting...is so bad looking... the poses are a throwback to the bad parts of very retro plastic models... the paint job is just bizarre.
...but I think I'll pick up a box or two...
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The dorfs are nice, if a bit big. The Salamander was predictable, in that GW loves making big, expensive plastic kits these days. IMO, the two kits they put out the last time the Dwarfs got an update--Ironbreakers/Irondrakes and Hammerers/Longbeards--are actually better.
jah-joshua wrote: i'll be grabbing the two characters, at least...
maybe the Salamander...
definitely not the infantry...
i prefer the 8th ed. heavy infantry, by a long shot, but the two characters look like they will be a lot of fun to paint...
love the look of the helmets and crests!!!
cheers
jah
Those Salamanders would be interesting to use as indigenous creatures that live on the Space marine Chapter Salamanders planet.
Chapter master on (Bike) Salamander?
