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I was really excited for some actually flaming Slayers. I might pick up a salamander but I need to see the infantry kits in more detail before I decide whether to pick them up. Hopefully some of the talented Dakka painters post their work with them pretty quick!

 Sqorgar wrote:
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I like the mostly naked Dwarves. Isn't the whole slayer mythology that they are disgraced Dwarves who can only redeem themselves through a glorious death? -nonsense snip-

No. Now they're "Ur-Gold" obsessed mercenaries who'll fight for anyone, even Chaos apparently.

Yay! Age of Sigmar!

Just forge your own narrative. Nothing is stopping them from being confused historical re-enactors, tricked out of their clothes by the traveling Gnome bard, Jeremiah Fiddlesticks. Furious, and slathered in vaseline to protect them from the heat, they roam the stars slaughtering those who suggest that maybe they should cut down on all the pies.

Wondering if this release will be as extensive as the Sigmarite/Bloodborn?

Luckily they kept the horrible-looking Ogre Kingdoms shoulder joints, with their giant exaggerated muscles....

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
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I like the mostly naked Dwarves. Isn't the whole slayer mythology that they are disgraced Dwarves who can only redeem themselves through a glorious death? -nonsense snip-

No. Now they're "Ur-Gold" obsessed mercenaries who'll fight for anyone, even Chaos apparently.

Yay! Age of Sigmar!

From the snippets so far, Ur-Gold is supposedly the remnants of the shattered forma of Grimnir and Vulcatrix, and the 'slayers use it to paint tattoos on themselves to gain power.
So the accumulation of Ur-Gold is more of a cultural/religious observance than homicidal capitalism.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I kinda wonder if we'd be going "OMG! That's so dumb!" if their hair was fire.

No.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Luckily they kept the horrible-looking Ogre Kingdoms shoulder joints, with their giant exaggerated muscles....

Nah, they all found pics of Markus Ruhl and worship his shoulders (he's a bodybuilder known for having the largest shoulders in the industry).


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Anyone know when these guys go on pre-order?

 oldzoggy wrote:

Na not at all Gw can still make non blocky models with their software they just need to allocate enough sprue space for it.
I love their Dark eldar Range it truly shows their mastery over casting with plastic sprues

Not saying they can't get anything right, those are some nice models, but the fabric areas suffer a fairly typical lack of detail not seen in most traditionally sculpted models. The Archon's cloak is a particularly horrific example of this.

Back on topic now then…

Oh - how did I miss these?

After a loooong wait they finally make new slayers. They're nice enough - but I'm not a fan of the helmet plumes either :/ - I think the people who bought the AoW beserkers years ago (like me!) came out ahead on this one. (And I shudder to think at how much these will cost compared to AoW's set).

And slayers riding giant lizards? I weep for Warhammer now. I am reading 'The Doom of Dragonback keep" atm - and it is the last Warhammer fantasy book I have to read.* It makes me sad. I really liked the world that the blew up.

**(There are plenty of others - but everything old is super out of print and hard to find at a reasonable price)

RoperPG wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Sqorgar wrote:
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I like the mostly naked Dwarves. Isn't the whole slayer mythology that they are disgraced Dwarves who can only redeem themselves through a glorious death? -nonsense snip-

No. Now they're "Ur-Gold" obsessed mercenaries who'll fight for anyone, even Chaos apparently.

Yay! Age of Sigmar!

From the snippets so far, Ur-Gold is supposedly the remnants of the shattered forma of Grimnir and Vulcatrix, and the 'slayers use it to paint tattoos on themselves to gain power.
So the accumulation of Ur-Gold is more of a cultural/religious observance than homicidal capitalism.

Which doesn't change the fact that the Slayers have gone from really interesting and complex characters, both on an individual and group level, to just more gold-obsessed dwarfs("because it's bits of a god" is, functionally, no different to "because it's gold and they're dwarfs", the result is the same - EDIT; In fact, it's worse, because they've taken a flaw and tried to make it a virtue, or at least a flaw you can excuse and so don't really have to think about), and in some ways are now the exact opposite of what they were. Also who or what the feth is a "Vulcatrix" when it's at home? I think I might just leave off this thread in future, AoS evidently isn't aimed at me, the models are no use to me, and I'm not going to persuade folk who like or don't care about the abysmal fluff to change their minds and stop liking what I don't like. You chaps can enjoy yourselves and I can lower my blood pressure a bit; win-win.

EDIT: Schmapdi, head for Amazon. If you're patient, you can usually find secondhand Warhammer Fantasy novels with Very Good or Near Mint conditions for anywhere from a couple of quid down to actual pennies.

Those are really terrible sculpts. Here are the reasons I don't like them:

1) Loin clothes are too long. This gives them same visual outline as a tree trunk.

2) GW sacrificed decent poses for a multi-kit. So you get shields on arms that are raised to wield a second axe for the other build.

3)Hyper-bling. I dislike this about all of the AOS releases. GW feels the need to turn every single item of clothing and weaponry into some ornate item from a women's fashion catalog. The Chaos Warrior guys from the starter have head-dresses that would make a Brazilian Carnival diva jealous. The dwarves have anklets. Their "blunderbusses" are straight from some cheap MMO art book.

4)Weird knees. Bare legs are hard to do in plastic because of how the masses lay on the leg, but I think the legs and knees are a real letdown.

5)Ultra-mohawks. Look at how long the hair has to be on these guys! It would come down to their toes. It is just another visual element that doesn't look right, and further evidence of GW's design philosophy of "If a little is good, more must be better!"

Mucking around with the Slayer background seems really pointless, especially for such poor results as what people are describing here.

Vulcatrix, mother of salamanders, the big bad of Aqshy while Sigmar was clearing out the realms. Grimnir owed Sigmar a debt, so was tasked with killing her.
The ensuing battle flattened a mountain range and resulted in mutual destruction of both God and beast, and the shards of their physical forms scattered across the realms as Ur-Gold.
I get that the fluff for AoS may not be to everyone's tastes, but bloody hell does it annoy me when people slate it when they patently haven't read even the basic stuff.

Well... as much as I enjoy hating AoS I don't hate these.


That said while I was super excited when I first saw them the more I look the more convinced I am I'll pass on them.

RoperPG wrote:
Vulcatrix, mother of salamanders, the big bad of Aqshy while Sigmar was clearing out the realms. Grimnir owed Sigmar a debt, so was tasked with killing her.
The ensuing battle flattened a mountain range and resulted in mutual destruction of both God and beast, and the shards of their physical forms scattered across the realms as Ur-Gold.
I get that the fluff for AoS may not be to everyone's tastes, but bloody hell does it annoy me when people slate it when they patently haven't read even the basic stuff.

I think it more a comment on the rubbish name, which to me sounds like a terrible mashup of Pokemon and Asterix IP.

All I can picture is this guy.

 Grimtuff wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
Vulcatrix, mother of salamanders, the big bad of Aqshy while Sigmar was clearing out the realms. Grimnir owed Sigmar a debt, so was tasked with killing her.
The ensuing battle flattened a mountain range and resulted in mutual destruction of both God and beast, and the shards of their physical forms scattered across the realms as Ur-Gold.
I get that the fluff for AoS may not be to everyone's tastes, but bloody hell does it annoy me when people slate it when they patently haven't read even the basic stuff.

I think it more a comment on the rubbish name, which to me sounds like a terrible mashup of Pokemon and Asterix IP.

All I can picture is this guy.

Patently a ridiculous extrapolation. That thing doesn't have Trojan helmet on for a start. Although it is ginger and naked...

 Grimtuff wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
Vulcatrix, mother of salamanders, the big bad of Aqshy while Sigmar was clearing out the realms. Grimnir owed Sigmar a debt, so was tasked with killing her.
The ensuing battle flattened a mountain range and resulted in mutual destruction of both God and beast, and the shards of their physical forms scattered across the realms as Ur-Gold.
I get that the fluff for AoS may not be to everyone's tastes, but bloody hell does it annoy me when people slate it when they patently haven't read even the basic stuff.

I think it more a comment on the rubbish name, which to me sounds like a terrible mashup of Pokemon and Asterix IP.

All I can picture is this guy.

Vulcatrix, I choose you!

Valete,

JohnS

It feels like there are a lot of people here hating on this stuff *just* for the joy in mutual commiseration because it's AoS and/or because it's GW.

Personally I think AoS is rad, and a super fun game.

These Duardin are hardcore badass. The plumes are ridiculous and awesome in a way the oldhammer Slayer's clumpy, ugly mohawks could only ever dream of being. The big salamander beasts are fierce as hell looking.

And Vulcatrix is a fine name, even if it does sound a little like Pokemon. News flash: Pokemon is/was awesome and beloved by quite a large number of people... it's really not the worst thing in the world to be compared to, overall.

 Pugnacious_Cee wrote:
It feels like there are a lot of people here hating on this stuff *just* for the joy in mutual commiseration because it's AoS and/or because it's GW.

Personally I think AoS is rad, and a super fun game.

These Duardin are hardcore badass. The plumes are ridiculous and awesome in a way the oldhammer Slayer's clumpy, ugly mohawks could only ever dream of being. The big salamander beasts are fierce as hell looking.

And Vulcatrix is a fine name, even if it does sound a little like Pokemon. News flash: Pokemon is/was awesome and beloved by quite a large number of people... it's really not the worst thing in the world to be compared to, overall.

Pokémon? Who remembers that now, eh?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Pugnacious_Cee wrote:
It feels like there are a lot of people here hating on this stuff *just* for the joy in mutual commiseration because it's AoS and/or because it's GW.

Personally I think AoS is rad, and a super fun game.

These Duardin are hardcore badass. The plumes are ridiculous and awesome in a way the oldhammer Slayer's clumpy, ugly mohawks could only ever dream of being. The big salamander beasts are fierce as hell looking.

And Vulcatrix is a fine name, even if it does sound a little like Pokemon. News flash: Pokemon is/was awesome and beloved by quite a large number of people... it's really not the worst thing in the world to be compared to, overall.

Pokémon? Who remembers that now, eh?

Not Tom Kirby...

 Pugnacious_Cee wrote:
It feels like there are a lot of people here hating on this stuff *just* for the joy in mutual commiseration because it's AoS and/or because it's GW.

Personally I think AoS is rad, and a super fun game.

These Duardin are hardcore badass. The plumes are ridiculous and awesome in a way the oldhammer Slayer's clumpy, ugly mohawks could only ever dream of being. The big salamander beasts are fierce as hell looking.

And Vulcatrix is a fine name, even if it does sound a little like Pokemon. News flash: Pokemon is/was awesome and beloved by quite a large number of people... it's really not the worst thing in the world to be compared to, overall.

Well Pokemon does seem to target the same audience AoS is gunning for

As for the "Amagad haters are hating" - I think it's called erm... what's it called... having your own opinion?

I've never really been a fan of dwarves, but I'm tempted by the salamander. It's a shame about the prices though, I feel that they would have had a much better reception if they were more in line with current range instead of doubling the price.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Well Pokemon does seem to target the same audience AoS is gunning for

AoS is more based on mythology - specifically Roman and Greek mythology. In fact, the name Vulcatrix is a reference to Vulcan, the Roman god of fire (and where volcanoes get their names), and the -trix suffix, which is a Latin suffix used to feminize masculine nouns, like dominatrix or aviatrix. So Vulcatrix could literally be read as the female god of fire, which... HOLY gak! It all makes sense now!

(Yes, I took Latin in high school, and this is literally the only time it has come up since.)

Vulpix is a portmanteau of Vulcan (fire) and Vulpes (fox), with the 'x' sound at the end from Fox. It's actually kind of witty.

EDIT: The Pokemon wiki says that Vulpix is a combination of Vulpes (again, Latin for fox) and Six (the number of tails it has). So it's just a happy coincidence that Vulcan and Vulpes are similar words and that the Vulpix is literally a fire fox.

As for the "Amagad haters are hating" - I think it's called erm... what's it called... having your own opinion?

You're opinion on AoS has been well documented. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

Well Pokemon does seem to target the same audience AoS is gunning for

AoS is more based on mythology - specifically Roman and Greek mythology. In fact, the name Vulcatrix is a reference to Vulcan, the Roman god of fire (and where volcanoes get their names), and the -trix suffix, which is a Latin suffix used to feminize masculine nouns, like dominatrix or aviatrix. So Vulcatrix could literally be read as the female god of fire, which... HOLY gak! It all makes sense now!

(Yes, I took Latin in high school, and this is literally the only time it has come up since.)

Vulpix is a portmanteau of Vulcan (fire) and Vulpes (fox), with the 'x' sound at the end from Fox. It's actually kind of witty.

EDIT: The Pokemon wiki says that Vulpix is a combination of Vulpes (again, Latin for fox) and Six (the number of tails it has). So it's just a happy coincidence that Vulcan and Vulpes are similar words and that the Vulpix is literally a fire fox.

Look at him go and completely miss the point, as usual. Wheeee!

 Sqorgar wrote:

As for the "Amagad haters are hating" - I think it's called erm... what's it called... having your own opinion?

You're opinion on AoS has been well documented. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Good for you. Feel free to ignore it then It's easy, ain't it? Shall I give you a pat in the back?

Enough of the bickering. Please keep in mind that Rule Number One is Be Polite and Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

 Sqorgar wrote:

AoS is more based on mythology - specifically Roman and Greek mythology. In fact, the name Vulcatrix is a reference to Vulcan, the Roman god of fire (and where volcanoes get their names), and the -trix suffix, which is a Latin suffix used to feminize masculine nouns, like dominatrix or aviatrix. So Vulcatrix could literally be read as the female god of fire, which... HOLY gak! It all makes sense now!

(Yes, I took Latin in high school, and this is literally the only time it has come up since.)

Vulpix is a portmanteau of Vulcan (fire) and Vulpes (fox), with the 'x' sound at the end from Fox. It's actually kind of witty.

EDIT: The Pokemon wiki says that Vulpix is a combination of Vulpes (again, Latin for fox) and Six (the number of tails it has). So it's just a happy coincidence that Vulcan and Vulpes are similar words and that the Vulpix is literally a fire fox.

I think you're rather missing the thrust of Mr. Stormcrow's point there...

It's not that AoS is based *on* Pokemon. Clearly AoS, like all of GW's properties (and to be fair this is true of just about any gaming property -nihil novus sub solum after all!), is deeply derivative of other Fantasy sources. Rather, it's that AoS seems to be written with the same type of target audience in mind.

Don't get me wrong, my 9 year-old son LOVES Pokemon and can rattle off every evolution, how much power a given attack takes, etc, etc... And for him, as a 9 year-old boy, it's a fun game he likes to play/collect with his friends. But at least the TCG version is written for a very specific audience. Within in the TCG market. Pokemon is not really competing with MTG or, say, Netrunner. It's deliberately simpler. It's deliberately, to use the term in a non-pejorative way, more juvenile.

AoS is, similarly, deliberately simplier and, I'd argue deliberately more juvenile in its focus, than WHFB was.

My 9 year-old loves Pokemon. That doesn't make it a good game for someone looking for something with more meat/complexity/depth/you name it. To many of AoS's critics, it suffers the same problem. In my mind, it's sugar-coated breakfast cereal for gamers. Sure you can get something of a sugar rush from eating it, but in the end it's just empty calories with no real redeeming nutriative values.

That's not hating AoS per se. It's just acknowledging that AoS is a game that's very much targeted at a specific age/development stage of gamer and if you're not of that target stage it offers very little beyond being something GW created.

Valete,

JohnS

Actually, it's aimed at older gamers who have a family and don't have time to learn complicated rulesets... I'm not white knighting, just acknowledging.

Seems like someone knows how to add 1+1 around here after all


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 Mymearan wrote:
Actually, it's aimed at older gamers who have a family and don't have time to learn complicated rulesets... I'm not white knighting, just acknowledging.

A defense can be made for that, yes.

Out of curiosity do we have any official statement from GW as to what their target audience for AoS is?

As per the very first post ITT:

 Manchu wrote:
NOTE: This thread is for discussing new AoS releases. It is not for discussing AoS or GW generally. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

If you want to discuss the merits/faults of the game, please do so in the appropriate sub-forum. This thread is for discussion of news and rumors. Further off-topic comments will be deleted with warnings/suspensions applied. Thanks.

i am not sold on the salamanders. They look weird to me, their back fire? Spikes? They look like a plastic card or something home made. Be better if they had a naked back used as a digger like a mole or something. Wieird limbs do not help under ground.