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 Manchu wrote:
As per the very first post ITT:

 Manchu wrote:
NOTE: This thread is for discussing new AoS releases. It is not for discussing AoS or GW generally. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

If you want to discuss the merits/faults of the game, please do so in the appropriate sub-forum. This thread is for discussion of news and rumors. Further off-topic comments will be deleted with warnings/suspensions applied. Thanks.

Thanks very much!

I think my biggest beef with these guys is that they look like an entire unit of champions with those helmets. The comparison made to Ungrim Ironfist earlier seems spot-on. Personally, I find that if every model in the army is as over the top as each other, it really takes away from the impact of any one of them and makes them all look dull and boring again.

If everybody's special, nobody is.

So these "dwarven berserkers of FYRE" have helmets with mohawk hairdos, but.. not actually HAIR on the model.. so, olde tyme Dwarven Slayers have a different vibe than these.

They LOOK neat at 3 feet, but looking upclose, I do have some disappointment.

I might be up to picking up a single sprue from somewheres to play around with, but.. not sure I will go "all in" on these

That lizard though, looks great.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Wow. Ouch. The old Warhammer starter set monopose Orcs (not the super-old ones-the dual wielders and archer versions that have the modern orc look) from the 90's look better, and are 20 years old.

To be fair, they are sixteen years old - Warhammer 6th ed/box set was released in 2000.


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 warboss wrote:
I think that's an apt description...they look like Gw contracted Mantic to make their official slayers.

My fav part of this is that Mantic plastic dwarves were sculpted by Bob Naismith who is a GW sculptor

I think they look nice.
Might pick some up to make that "Leman Russ -back from the eye" model I always wanted.

Really looking forward to seeing the Slayers when people get their hands on them. It's hard to judge the sculpting quality and poseability from these shots, and the one people constantly quote with the black-haired ones has one of the worst paint jobs I've ever seen from GW and what looks like equally bad assembly.

Saw this link with rules and better close-ups posted in another thread:

http://imgur.com/a/as5gv

EDIT: had time to add in the pictures!

Have any rules slipped out for these guys yet that i have missed? *edit just seen rules link above thank you!
Looking forward to seeing high res shots of these as at the mo its all a little muddled at this point, a little sad about some of the sculpt's but over all they are interesting and i like there background.

The salamanders are looking cool, not sold on every surface having the faceted scaling, but ill reserve judgment till i see it on there website. I like how so far with AOS you can create interesting and compact armies. Looking at getting maybe 3 kits to make a slayer force. I think paint job is hurting some of these guys more that its helping at the mo, not that some of the limbs aren't a little strange but its a modeling hobby after all so a bit of cutting and sculpting adds to the fun for me. Kinda glad they arn't all on fire too, but hope we get a character that is to make him stand out as they are all a bit of a blur when looking at the group shot.

As a quick grip I'm unsure why so many people that hate this topic need to post all the time, there's so many ridiculous criticisms any realistic input good or bad is drowned out. Vulcatrix a bad name because it shares some letters with a pokemon name, really? is that the state of the GW bashing at this point?!

I wouldn't be surprised if the constant vitriol on dakka hasn't driven a lot of people away from the forum especially the demographic that read but dont post. I'm the only person left from my gaming group that still posts here and only one of two that still visits, sad state of affairs for possibility the best site of its kind.

Maybe it is the relative newness of the game, but I feel like these scrolls are a good example of a pretty decent balance between weapon types. It feels like there usually isn't an "obviously better" choice.

Auric Runemaster has some pretty cool looking abilities there. They both seem pretty subtle for battlefield control.

A large unit of Vulkite Berzerkers look tanky as heck.

It's neat the whole range has throwing axes. Feels very Gauntlet to me for some reason. Tough that the Hearthguard don't have a ward save, pretty easy to plink those guys off before they get in range. The hero's terrain damage attack is pretty nice. Not sure about the effectiveness of the ur-gold one considering the opponent chooses which unit has it.

Will be interesting to see the rules for the beasties, as this army needs speed and a distraction, or else I'd say it's pretty susceptible to early shooting/arcane bolts.

RoperPG wrote:
Vulcatrix, mother of salamanders, the big bad of Aqshy while Sigmar was clearing out the realms. Grimnir owed Sigmar a debt, so was tasked with killing her.
The ensuing battle flattened a mountain range and resulted in mutual destruction of both God and beast, and the shards of their physical forms scattered across the realms as Ur-Gold.
I get that the fluff for AoS may not be to everyone's tastes, but bloody hell does it annoy me when people slate it when they patently haven't read even the basic stuff.

You assume I haven't read it, rather than just finding it such forgettable vacant rubbish that I couldn't recall one of the two hundred new made-up Age of Trademarks names.

As for the new pics...I can't get over the guy with no 'tache. It makes his face look teeny-weeny.

the close-up of the Auric Runemaster looks amazing...
nice to see a clear shot of him...
it just reinforces my decision to buy both of the character models...
the infantry are still a pass for me, though...

i am loving most of the clampack characters they have produced over the last five years...
if plastic is our only alternative to Finecast, i am all for it!!!

thanks to Jehan's idea a couple of pages back, i am now thinking that one of the Salamanders being held back by Vulkan's empty hand, while preparing to smack it on the nose with his hammer, would be an awesome diorama...
Sally man vs. Sally beast!!!
i bet it will be a hell of a job to carve off the saddle strap and decorations, resculpt the detail, and make the beast look like it never had a rider...
oh well, any chance to practice my sculpting is a good thing...

cheers
jah

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Maybe it is the relative newness of the game, but I feel like these scrolls are a good example of a pretty decent balance between weapon types. It feels like there usually isn't an "obviously better" choice.

Auric Runemaster has some pretty cool looking abilities there. They both seem pretty subtle for battlefield control.

A large unit of Vulkite Berzerkers look tanky as heck.

I agree that the unit rules are well done. This is an example of what every army should be like; rules and equipment that make each unit distinct while also cohesive with the whole. Most importantly the rules are fun, make a notable difference, and don't involve silly IRL antics.

On the models, I feel like I should clarify my meh/blech opinion on these. When I first saw them I thought they looked cool, after seeing the close ups my opinion dropped. However I would still see them as solid models if it weren't for the price. Reaper bones miniatures are honestly not very good quality; soft detail, inconsistent sculpting between models, and universally monopose. But they are great and well liked because of the price point.

At $30 for 10 elite slayers and $50 for 20 basic slayers I would think these were pretty solid. Sadly we have over double that.

 jah-joshua wrote:
the close-up of the Auric Runemaster looks amazing...
nice to see a clear shot of him...
it just reinforces my decision to buy both of the character models...

I am happy to tell you there have been 3 characters shown in the pics so far. A lord (with the obsidian axe) the Auric Runemaster, and the BSB first leaked. :-)

Well balanced throwing axes...

Damn it Games Workshop. Damn you to hell.

I like the look of the ranged weapons on the one slayers - they look appropriately dwarfy.

I wonder how these Slayers will scale with the pre-existing Dwarf kits? They look kinda big.

It looks like the slayers are meant to be a faction in and of themselves now?

 jah-joshua wrote:
the close-up of the Auric Runemaster looks amazing...
nice to see a clear shot of him...
it just reinforces my decision to buy both of the character models...
the infantry are still a pass for me, though...

i am loving most of the clampack characters they have produced over the last five years...
if plastic is our only alternative to Finecast, i am all for it!!!

thanks to Jehan's idea a couple of pages back, i am now thinking that one of the Salamanders being held back by Vulkan's empty hand, while preparing to smack it on the nose with his hammer, would be an awesome diorama...
Sally man vs. Sally beast!!!
i bet it will be a hell of a job to carve off the saddle strap and decorations, resculpt the detail, and make the beast look like it never had a rider...
oh well, any chance to practice my sculpting is a good thing...

cheers
jah

Or with the whole Pokemon discussion here you could have Vulkan hold a pokeball, gotta ｃatch them all　
Vulkan is a vegan after all
I hope the rider and the saddle are separate pieces, i was more thinking of the salamanders used as being ridden, or Vulkan looking at Lemans wolves showing his salamanders and saying.
"I pity the fool!"

@Bottle: for some reason, i was getting the vibe that the Lord is from the hearthguard box, and i am not very keen on his stumbling pose...
the BSB guy, and the Runelord are definitely getting bought...

@Jehan: i liked your idea, but i only have two pair of TWolf rider legs left, and i want to use them for the wolves...
your idea did send me off on a different flight of fancy, that had me thinking of a fun little diorama of Vulkan wrestling with one of these Salamanders...
though Vulkan might look pretty impressive flanked by two of these guys...

going by previous kits, i expect that the strap for the saddle will be moulded to the beast, and the saddle will be separate...
the decorations on the shoulders will be integral, too...
lots of carving and resculpting to do, but it would be a cool piece to work on...

cheers
jah

The banner guy looks odd without a moustache.

 Mymearan wrote:
... and don't have time to learn complicated rulesets...

*snickers*

Yeah. 'Cause Warhammer was a 'complicated' game and adults "don't have time for it".

What a load of nonsense...

First of all, I'm surprised you didn't comment on cygnnus ridiculous statements that my post was in reference to, where he compares AoS players to his 9-year old son and "acknowledges" (not his opinion, it's a fact that he acknowledges) that AoS "offers very little beyond being something GW created" if you're not of that "specific age/development stage of gamer" (the same as a Pokemon player). Again, this is not his opinion, apparently, you just have to "acknowledge" it. Which was probably the most thinly veiled direct insult towards AoS players I've seen in a very long time. Oh wait, I'm not at all surprised you didn't comment on that, HBMC, not at all.

And further... My statement is so much nonsense that we've seen that exact sentiment over and over and over on dakka, Facebook etc, people coming back to Warhammer because AoS is simple to learn and play. But no, let's *snicker* like school children because any chance to get a derogatory comment in on anyone who dares enjoy AoS must be taken at any cost.

What was unclear about this:

 Manchu wrote:
As per the very first post ITT:

 Manchu wrote:
NOTE: This thread is for discussing new AoS releases. It is not for discussing AoS or GW generally. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

If you want to discuss the merits/faults of the game, please do so in the appropriate sub-forum. This thread is for discussion of news and rumors. Further off-topic comments will be deleted with warnings/suspensions applied. Thanks.

They look like an army of naked babies with awful ginger hair and beards lol. Why would their bodies be so hairless? I mean, I can't even pretend to grow a beard that thick (can anyone?) and I am a bear by comparison, just seems way off to me.

Although maybe it would be even more creepy to have angry red hairy back covered half-orangutans running around the table

The new lads are a surprisingly inconsistent range. The monsters look pretty great, and the Auric Runetiter looks smashing. I really like him, and his rules are engagingly interesting (though he is likely to be dropped pretty early on by your opponent, so protecting him will be tough). But the general infantry are far tougher to get a handle on - some shocking paintjobs and poses, with the rest being sort of okay? Though the Auric Runetiter really calls to me, I think that I might give this lot a miss, and continue holding out for something else for my first real AoS force. I'm fairly close to finishing the Khorne starter set models, but I can't bring myself to expand them beyond that, so my search continues...

hearthguard leaders name is Karl... and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

migooo wrote:
hearthguard leaders name is Karl... and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

He's a priest?

migooo wrote:
...and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

They had them in 3rd edition so I guess they refound their mojo in the bubble realms...?

migooo wrote:
hearthguard leaders name is Karl...

All of the unit leaders are given the honorific of "Karl". Kinda like "Huskarl".

and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

Read the keywords.
Order, Duardin, Fyreslayers, Hero, Priest, Auric Runemaster

Priest not Wizard.

Runefather fellow looks nice. For a character, the ornateness of the helmet seems far less garish somehow, possibly helped along by the fact that they appears to be wearing pants and armor beyond a loincloth.

 Manchu wrote:
What was unclear about this:

 Manchu wrote:
As per the very first post ITT:

 Manchu wrote:
NOTE: This thread is for discussing new AoS releases. It is not for discussing AoS or GW generally. Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

If you want to discuss the merits/faults of the game, please do so in the appropriate sub-forum. This thread is for discussion of news and rumors. Further off-topic comments will be deleted with warnings/suspensions applied. Thanks.

Perhaps the moderation round these parts should consider adding some bite to go with all that bark.

I think I've decided upon the Hearthguard Bezerkers as my first set. Now, to equip them with Poleaxes or Broadaxes...

The poleaxes have more bite with the potential Mortal Wound, but really it comes down to which looks better - I don't think we've seen the Broadaxes yet.

 Bottle wrote:
I think I've decided upon the Hearthguard Bezerkers as my first set. Now, to equip them with Poleaxes or Broadaxes...

The poleaxes have more bite with the potential Mortal Wound, but really it comes down to which looks better - I don't think we've seen the Broadaxes yet.

Are they not the guys with two axes behind the Priest?