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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Chaos book has edited out a number of the most egregious offenders from the flavor rules (Masque and Slaanesh lord on steed, I'm looking at you).

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Chaos book has edited out a number of the most egregious offenders from the flavor rules (Masque and Slaanesh lord on steed, I'm looking at you).

What do you mean? Removal of units or a change to the actual rules on their warscrolls?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Curious on the repackage price.

I can't make out the price on this image. It looks like a triple figure for the big box.

Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

Was AOS ever really marketed by GW as a game that was supposed to be smaller in scale than WHFB, or what that just what fans of the game were saying?

I'm guessing the idea is that with the purchase of one box of cavalry (or whatever unit you want), you'd have enough to play with and wouldn't need any more?

Of course if GW really is in the business of selling models, they're going to need to get a game like Warhammer Quest: Age of Sigmar to make me go out and buy just about the whole damned range...

Those new Start Collecting boxes plus the local shop's discount has actually made me purchase a fair amount of GW lately.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

What marketing said that?


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

Of course if GW really is in the business of selling models, they're going to need to get a game like Warhammer Quest: Age of Sigmar to make me go out and buy just about the whole damned range...
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For AoS, they've removed 'army' limitations to allow people to pick up a box of whatever looks cool here and there. It'll work on me when they rebase/repack the Stormfiends.

Though WQ:AoS would be absolutely sessions. Surely that has to happen with the new SG studio...

 Accolade wrote:
Was AOS ever really marketed by GW as a game that was supposed to be smaller in scale than WHFB, or what that just what fans of the game were saying?

The rules do mention that more models = more excitement, and points towards games of 100 models a side.

I really like that they're doing these cheaper bundles. I hope it's not like some scheme to just move a bunch of stock for a little while and they keep doing them forever. Looking forward to my lizardman box that I think will be here on Tuesday finally. Would have been nice to have that sooner so I could build everything while I was snowed in this weekend

I think it would be ideal if each army has a nice starter box set with a good mix of stuff, and also boxes for each formation too.. then you have the regular separate unit boxes to add on to those.

 Necros wrote:


I think it would be ideal if each army has a nice starter box set with a good mix of stuff, and also boxes for each formation too.. then you have the regular separate unit boxes to add on to those.

Kind of like what Spartan does wtih most of their games? Sell the units in sets rather than as individual items? I'd be down for it if the price was right, and most of these newer box sets seem to be a step in the right direction.

 Accolade wrote:
Was AOS ever really marketed by GW as a game that was supposed to be smaller in scale than WHFB, or what that just what fans of the game were saying?

Maybe I'm making the mistake of missremembering something my local GW mooks were saying as official GW marketing.

 Accolade wrote:
Was AOS ever really marketed by GW as a game that was supposed to be smaller in scale than WHFB, or what that just what fans of the game were saying?

GW doesn't do Marketing, because it's otyose, so obviously they never marketted AoS as a small scale game.

It just looks like one because it's mechanically stupid to have to move and fight hundreds of figures individually, but you can do it a lot more easily with skirmish games, which is the point of them.

More undead... cannot resist..

:: Looks at both unopened "Start Collecting: Malignants" boxed sets::

I wonder if the 'Start collecting' range will be expanded? We are notably lacking in anything from many Order and Destruction ranges, not to mention corporeal undead. Chaos, by contrast, seem fairly well provided for at the moment. It is interesting to wonder whether GW plan on having a whole range of these boxes, or whether the existing ones are designed as a special set and won't be expanded upon. These seem to have sold like crazy, though, so you might think that it would be tempting to expand the range?

Im wishlisting at this point, but I really want to see a Khemric Titan, new Blood Knights, and new a Necrolith Colossus kit, even though they got rid of Heiro-titans.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I wonder if the 'Start collecting' range will be expanded? We are notably lacking in anything from many Order and Destruction ranges, not to mention corporeal undead. Chaos, by contrast, seem fairly well provided for at the moment. It is interesting to wonder whether GW plan on having a whole range of these boxes, or whether the existing ones are designed as a special set and won't be expanded upon. These seem to have sold like crazy, though, so you might think that it would be tempting to expand the range?

They might be based on what has been selling recently, so chaos receiving love means they get a few boxes, a faction that hasn't got a release yet might not sell well enough for anyone to worry about a box.

 Mymearan wrote:
Another discount box set! GW are really going all out to bring in more sales, which is pretty awesome.

What is the price on this one?

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Was AOS ever really marketed by GW as a game that was supposed to be smaller in scale than WHFB, or what that just what fans of the game were saying?

GW doesn't do Marketing, because it's otyose, so obviously they never marketted AoS as a small scale game.

It just looks like one because it's mechanically stupid to have to move and fight hundreds of figures individually, but you can do it a lot more easily with skirmish games, which is the point of them.

GW doesn't do Marketing, because it's otyose, so obviously they never marketted AoS as a small scale game.

otyose

Exalted.


More on-topic, if GW had done a 'start collecting' box for each army alongside the AoS starter release then I suspect the game would be doing several orders of magnitude better right now. Better late than never though, those boxes are a solid move in the right direction. Waiting to see what horrid thing they will do to counteract that.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Another discount box set! GW are really going all out to bring in more sales, which is pretty awesome.

What is the price on this one?

We don't know yet but around 20-30% off seems to be the norm.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

Given that they usually include the parts to build multiple units at the minimum size rather than a single unit at a "bigger than minimum" size, that's not strictly true. You have three or four boxes from the Khorne Bloodbound that are at least double the minimum unit size but include parts for you to build one big unit or two smaller units instead.

Stormcast Eternals are the only "new" ones that really do not have any larger than minimum size boxes barring the Paladins box.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

In my AoS group, 50 - 60 models seems to be the ideal size for a game. Anything more starts slowing things down. Even GW recommended only bringing 50 - 60 models for their recent Throne of Skulls event. What's wrong with the larger unit boxes? It just means your entire unit is finished in one purchase. We were complaining before how you needed to buy 4 - 8 boxes to complete a unit in 8th Edition.

 silent25 wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:
Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

In my AoS group, 50 - 60 models seems to be the ideal size for a game. Anything more starts slowing things down. Even GW recommended only bringing 50 - 60 models for their recent Throne of Skulls event. What's wrong with the larger unit boxes? It just means your entire unit is finished in one purchase. We were complaining before how you needed to buy 4 - 8 boxes to complete a unit in 8th Edition.

10 cavalry seems to be the perfect box size to me because you can split in 2 units of 5, have a respectable unit of 8 or go crazy and have 10 knights. I would prefer to buy 1 box and Im done with than several.

One box with double the number instead of 2 boxes psychologically lowers the inhibition to buy it even if both products are the same cost. Because the single box, as noted above, feels done. You don't feel nickel and dimed if you buy a single box like you do multiples of smaller boxes.

Given that they discounted the Lizardmen reboxes with increased numbers I've got my hopes up but we'll see how it goes.

 Hulksmash wrote:
One box with double the number instead of 2 boxes psychologically lowers the inhibition to buy it even if both products are the same cost. Because the single box, as noted above, feels done. You don't feel nickel and dimed if you buy a single box like you do multiples of smaller boxes.

Given that they discounted the Lizardmen reboxes with increased numbers I've got my hopes up but we'll see how it goes.

True but any gamer on a budget would probably make this box grow in value. I mean build 6 regular knights add some jazz and build 3 varanguards and still leaves you one mini for a lord

Has it been mentioned that some of the miniatures from the ranges which are now in Chaos Alliance have been moved to the section "Last Chance to buy"?

Age of Sigmar is most definitely designed to be played at smaller levels than WHFB. GW never outright say it because well, more models more money!. But the rules pamphlet states that 100 models aside will take an evening (3+ hours), so scale accordingly. Usually I like my games to take 1 1/2 hours, so 50 models usually - you could easily field 50 models in one regiment in 8th.

 Yaraton wrote:
Has it been mentioned that some of the miniatures from the ranges which are now in Chaos Alliance have been moved to the section "Last Chance to buy"?

Which ones?

Never mind! Found them. List is:
Throgg
Galrauch
Tretch Craventail
Skaven Battalion
Beastmen Battalion
Forsaken

 Charles Rampant wrote:
I wonder if the 'Start collecting' range will be expanded? We are notably lacking in anything from many Order and Destruction ranges, not to mention corporeal undead. Chaos, by contrast, seem fairly well provided for at the moment. It is interesting to wonder whether GW plan on having a whole range of these boxes, or whether the existing ones are designed as a special set and won't be expanded upon. These seem to have sold like crazy, though, so you might think that it would be tempting to expand the range?

I think it's practically certain to be. The starters like the Seraphon box £50 are really good value and give you enough to kick off a decent AoS army while still allowing scope for spending a couple of hundred more on additional units.

Also, they are easy for GW to produce by simply repackaging their recalled legacy army kits with round bases.

 jonolikespie wrote:
Anyone else remember when AoS was marketed as a smaller game with a lower barrier of entry?

How does reboxing cavalry in boxes of 10 accomplish this?

Yes cheaper per model, but the barrier of entry goes up as does the unit sizes...

It may have something to do with the number of models on each sprue.

 ShaneTB wrote:

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but the Chaos book has edited out a number of the most egregious offenders from the flavor rules (Masque and Slaanesh lord on steed, I'm looking at you).

What do you mean? Removal of units or a change to the actual rules on their warscrolls?

Mostly the latter. For instance, the Masque gets her re-rolls to hit automatically and to wound based on comparison of move rates rather than you and your opponent dancing respectively. Some less awkward ones remain, like the GUO command ability. And some are gone outright, like Wulfrik.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:
Has it been mentioned that some of the miniatures from the ranges which are now in Chaos Alliance have been moved to the section "Last Chance to buy"?

Which ones?

Never mind! Found them. List is:
Throgg
Galrauch
Tretch Craventail
Skaven Battalion
Beastmen Battalion
Forsaken

Interesting that they are removing Throgg, Tretch, and Forsaken even though they are newer models, I am guessing it's related to poor sales but I didn't realize sales were THAT poor. Apparently sculpting terd Forsaken models and selling them and the other two at ridiculous prices did not correlate to greater profits.

I know my flgs made one order for the Forsaken boxes when they were released. They have never restocked them, and most are still on the shelf.

[edit] Actually on second glance Tretch is a solid model for a solid price, maybe because he never really had a place in the army; he was a bit tacked-on and didn't have a niche to fit.