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Davor wrote:
Wasn't there artwork for Tomb Kings last month? Were not some people thinking it's a new mini? Not sure if normal size or Monstrous Creature size, so if Tomb Kings is going away, that picture will not be a mini then?

I thought there was lots of hype and excitement for that pic to become a mini.

Yeah, there was talk, but the possible mini was in the background of the artwork. I'm super disappointed.

Davor wrote:
Wasn't there artwork for Tomb Kings last month? Were not some people thinking it's a new mini? Not sure if normal size or Monstrous Creature size, so if Tomb Kings is going away, that picture will not be a mini then?

I thought there was lots of hype and excitement for that pic to become a mini.

The latest from warfo is that the hierotitan was being adapted to fit the new death style like the forgeworld model. The picture also contained what looked like new zombies. I am now highly dubious that these will come. If there were new death minis coming, why not save the grand alliance book for last?

There was talk of a new bone giant model, and background art that seemed to show it. People were hyped about that. That's a big part of why the fact that this book release all but confirms it isn't happening is such a big blow to morale among death faction players.

That, and the inclusion of beastmen (who had also been rumored to be on the chopping block) in the GAoC, and specific mention of a sphynx in one of the fluff bits, had players actually hoping that Tomb Kings would be carried forward in some form or another after all.

Again, dashed hopes lead to this book being received as 'worse than nothing' by some, including myself.

I'm sure I've heard that Tomb Kings were the worst selling Fantasy army, even behind Brettonians... can anyone confirm?

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm sure I've heard that Tomb Kings were the worst selling Fantasy army, even behind Brettonians... can anyone confirm?

There is no way to confirm these things, but considering that Bretonnia saw all of its models go Web Exclusive for ages and had nothing to sell in store beside the Battalion, while TK still kept multiple references available up to this day, it's pretty safe to guess that Bretonnia was the worst selling army in WFB.

What I can tell you thought is that, for both armies, the reason given to us for their programmed death is that they don't sell in any acceptable way.

That's too bad... can't understand why Tomb Kings would sell so badly, the concept and models are awesome.

As a long-time TK player I'm going to desperately cling to any scrap of evidence indicating some of their units will stick around.

Thus far, I have two: 1. in the descriptive paragraph a few pages back, it refers to the 'Crystal Keeps of High Djaf', which is a very Tomb Kingy name.

2. Last week's WD had tomb guard as the unit of the week, reminding people of a unit and then banishing it seems strange.

That's all I have, admittedly it isn't much. Still, the crystal keeps of Djaf are intriguing...

 Mymearan wrote:
That's too bad... can't understand why Tomb Kings would sell so badly, the concept and models are awesome.

the concept is great, but they have way too much outdated models. The plastic skeletal horses, which are part of a lot of their kits, are especially putrid

It is true that, when they received their last Army Book, replacing one or two base kits by updated models could have grabbed the attention of new players, while adding more new kits like the Snake Riders instead was more to cash in the already existing players without really bringing new blood. I know that, personally, I would never touch an army if any of the models I'm forced to field are old and ugly.

Problem is that the investment required to update multiple base kits in an army that is not that popular is quite a risky move. You need stunning miniatures to not only ensure you attract potential new players but also so that even older players consider updating their models, and it's also possible that GW lacked the sculptors skilled enough to do so back then.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:
It is true that, when they received their last Army Book, replacing one or two base kits by updated models could have grabbed the attention of new players, while adding more new kits like the Snake Riders instead was more to cash in the already existing players without really bringing new blood. I know that, personally, I would never touch an army if any of the models I'm forced to field are old and ugly.

Problem is that the investment required to update multiple base kits in an army that is not that popular is quite a risky move. You need stunning miniatures to not only ensure you attract potential new players but also so that even older players consider updating their models, and it's also possible that GW lacked the sculptors skilled enough to do so back then.

The tombguards are a really stunning kit. If the same guy that did them did the other kits, I don't see how it could have gone wrong

So reading this, if one wanted to acquire a Necrosphinx model now would be a good time to strike?

 foostick wrote:
So reading this, if one wanted to acquire a Necrosphinx model now would be a good time to strike?

Possibly, but don't forget that GW has now added a "Last Chance to Buy" section. At least we'll now have some warning before the axe falls and the kits disappear.

Really like their current range but they could have easily fixed this with making the army current but I get it. Still think in 3-6 weeks up pops the AoS TK so hopefully all players don't knee-jerk sell off their armies.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Really like their current range but they could have easily fixed this with making the army current but I get it. Still think in 3-6 weeks up pops the AoS TK so hopefully all players don't knee-jerk sell off their armies.

Or you know, set them on fire like this muppet did

Technically, an evolution of the TK design could lead to the same design as the End Times releases got. So any new model that will follow the ET aesthetic can in a way be considered as a new TK model, if not in name at least in soul.

 streetsamurai wrote:
The tombguards are a really stunning kit. If the same guy that did them did the other kits, I don't see how it could have gone wrong

The Perry brothers did the new VC knights if I remember correctly? It would have been interesting to see them work on TK cavaly/chariots.

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All is Dust.

I find it a bit strange that though factions are all sub-divided in the lore and rules now, the old model lines are still considered as a block. Hence scrapping everything, even the new good stuff, from TK and not even cutting the Razorgor from Beastmen.

While I haven't played Tomb KIngs, I must say that hurts, that really hurts.
I thought that I were over Warhammers death, that I learned to cope with it. But now I feel saddend again, so much for no army gets squatted. How long before the Empire gets the axe?

 Malisteen wrote:
There was talk of a new bone giant model, and background art that seemed to show it. People were hyped about that. That's a big part of why the fact that this book release all but confirms it isn't happening is such a big blow to morale among death faction players.

That, and the inclusion of beastmen (who had also been rumored to be on the chopping block) in the GAoC, and specific mention of a sphynx in one of the fluff bits, had players actually hoping that Tomb Kings would be carried forward in some form or another after all.

Again, dashed hopes lead to this book being received as 'worse than nothing' by some, including myself.

The GAoC contained nothing that wasn't already available; and actually removed or reallocated a number of Chaos characters into something entirely different. We also got new subfactions that basically consist of something like 2-3 models.
Sad Panda has stated that this year is going to be big for Tzeentch in AoS, yet we saw nothing beyond the name of the Khorne Bloodbound-esque faction that Tzeentch is getting: The Tzeentch Arcanites.

We'll have to see what actually goes into "Last Chance to Buy" for TK before I'll declare the Kings of Nehekara dead!


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 reds8n wrote:
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Great, now people are going to read that and think the whole range is being retired--not what it should be read as:
"We're retiring some of our older kits from various ranges. This includes older kits from the Tomb Kings range."

How can you be sure that's what it means?

I'd lean towards that interpretation as well but a valid interpretation would be that the entire TK range will be retired. (it might help if we knew what the question were)


I guess the customer service has been getting lessons from the rules department on how to write ambiguously worded statements.

I have always been a fan of the tomb kings. I recently picked up a haf painted set of skeletons, archers, chariots,metal settra, a metal catapult, metal characters, etc. There was not much LE tomb king stuff and it is pretty easy to get your hands on (they made the line for many years).

So whatever GW, I have minis, I have ebay, I have the app and pdf, I will continue to use tomb kings! Oh, and did anyone notice how great they are in AOS? Nothing like using tomb guard and then watching 75% jump back up after getting killed the turn before!

I do find it amusing that just like their rules, even GWs customer service responses are open to interpretation.

I had a feeling they wouldn't survive AoS.

My display board last year had.

"And for one final time, the Tomb Kings rode to war."

 Zywus wrote:
How can you be sure that's what it means?

Because what we've seen under "Last Chance to Buy" has not been entire ranges?

I'd lean towards that interpretation as well but a valid interpretation would be that the entire TK range will be retired. (it might help if we knew what the question were)

That's a valid interpretation...if you're not familiar with the precedent of what we've seen with the Last Chance to Buy section so far.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
How can you be sure that's what it means?

Because what we've seen under "Last Chance to Buy" has not been entire ranges?

I'd lean towards that interpretation as well but a valid interpretation would be that the entire TK range will be retired. (it might help if we knew what the question were)

That's a valid interpretation...if you're not familiar with the precedent of what we've seen with the Last Chance to Buy section so far.

While it would be nice to see some kits survive (the Sphinx most notably), that mail goes alongside what I was told at the beginning of the week, namely that the TK and Bretonnia ranges are being removed entirely. And since some GW store managers are now relaying the same information, I wouldn't hold much hope.

We will know very soon anyway, the TK shall be the first to join the last chance to buy in two days max. Thought I don't expect GW to dump everything the first week.

pretty much a fake. In all of my correspondence with GW reps, the "How would you rate my reply" normally - as in, in reality - appears after the sig of the cust svc person (as it's appended by GW's mailservers, whereas the sig is appended by the mail program). Text -> signature -> rating.

 judgedoug wrote:
pretty much a fake. In all of my correspondence with GW reps, the "How would you rate my reply" normally - as in, in reality - appears after the sig of the cust svc person (as it's appended by GW's mailservers, whereas the sig is appended by the mail program). Text -> signature -> rating.

The email is in exactly the same format as one I recieved couple of days ago regarding the chaos warrior upgrade weapons.Same guy as well,Mathew.

If anything from the TK range was sticking around, it would be included in the GAoD book. From the description of the included factions, and the fact that there are only 35 warscrolls (the exact number that are in the vamp compendium, if you first remove all the finecast special characters and then separate the zombie dragon and terrorgheist into 2 scrolls each), it is safe to say that no, nothing at all from the Tomb Kings line is going to survive this.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Because what we've seen under "Last Chance to Buy" has not been entire ranges?

Not yet.