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So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...

 VeteranNoob wrote:
So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...

I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.

RoperPG wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...

I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.

If they're Dracoths, then there will be a lightning zap attack.

Oddly enough I haven't play vs. Stormcast yet but I expect my first game to have these. Indeed, I would love to see the .

Man, if they make Stormcast Cavalry, it is going to be hard for me not to expand my meager collection (the Stormcast half of the AoS Starter set). None of the other models (short of the Justicars) have piqued my interest because they all have been too similar. However, Cavalry would be great, especially to run alongside my dragonthing mounted Celestant.

Many have pointed out that the releases of Chaos and Stormcast have been overkill. I agree. As a store owner, I saw a distinct rise in AOS sales when the Fyreslayers were released. I think if GW had started this whole thing not with a new army (Stormcasts) but with a few units from each faction, the line would have done much better. As it is they are finally getting to the other factions, and my prediction is that AOS will really start picking up steam as the year goes by and more Order factions are released. It makes sense that they are last. Chaos exists in the realm of chaos, so it was easy to start with them because not many of their models would be replaced. Stormcasts were all new, so easy to put them out. Death faction lost Tomb Kings, but kept pretty much everything else, and fluff-wise, Nagash couldn't die, so he became a god in the realms and summoned back all of the undead he liked (and that did not include the Tomb Kings, who he hated anyway). Oruks and Ogors are also easy because savage can work in any realm. But with order you have a different situation. Their armies reflected their kingdoms and cultures. Athel Loren, The Empire, and Brettonia blew up in a giant fireball when the world came apart. Slaanesh gulpt down the souls of the elves until he was so fat he was easy pickings for the new gods Tyrion and Teclis. The human realms in the new fluff are like nothing we have ever seen. So in order to release order, GW are going to have to create new armies much like the Stormcast, a big project and one that they are likely just finishing at the studios. I would expect both Aelves and Slaanesh to make their return in a new Campaign book soon. As for you 40k lurkers, I think your time is coming (end times for 40k, making it more like AOS). I have no knowledge, but from being in this business, I do notice trends, so these are my observations 1) What's good for the goose is good for the gander: If their theory is that having points values for models discourages model sales, then it is not limited to WFB, it applies to all lines including 40k. 2) Once a plan is set in motion, it is hard to reverse: GW are a year ahead in their design and production. The Behemoth that is their ship is hard to change coarse and once in motion it's plans will have to play out. 3) Clear the decks!: It has been the norm for the 18 years prior to the latest two editions of 40k to release 3 codices a year. Now lately we have seen a new 40k codex every other month. Also, older codices are printed in paperback rather than hardbound. This indicates to me that they are trying to sell through product before it becomes obsolete. 4) What would the prisoner like as his last meal?: Before they executed WFB they gave the fans their wish lists. Nagash, Thanquol on bad-ass Boneripper, Giant Bloodthirsters (not just one, but 3 different types!), rules changes that brought back herohammer and supercharged the magic phase. Deathwatch, Ad-mech, Genstealer cults. When you 40k guys see Sisters and a Tyranid list that is bad-ass and works show up, you will know the signs of the end times.

Not sure why, but I keep expecting an Aelves vs. Slaanesh campaign box set/ starter set. What better way to drag more people in, then to purchase another big ticket item, right?

I'm also trying to figure out why all the Sigmar Star Collecting boxes don't have the rules included with them. How hard is it to include a pamphlet with 4 pages worth of info printed on it?

I know the rules are online and all, but why not make it even easier to get newcomers into the game with their new purchase?

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?

I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.
Good, good times.

Oh crap. You just made me look at the other spoilered pic (I honestly was so excited by the prospect of a new "Skeleton Horde" that "skaven" didn't even register. But given that those Skaven Warmachines are dual kits, and I've got a skaven army waiting in the wings to be painted and assembled, I'm now doen for two of those as well...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Not sure why, but I keep expecting an Aelves vs. Slaanesh campaign box set/ starter set. What better way to drag more people in, then to purchase another big ticket item, right?

I'm also trying to figure out why all the Sigmar Star Collecting boxes don't have the rules included with them. How hard is it to include a pamphlet with 4 pages worth of info printed on it?

I know the rules are online and all, but why not make it even easier to get newcomers into the game with their new purchase?

From what I've seen, GW shops have stacks upon stacks of those little pamphlets and they're giving them away at no cost to anyone buying the Start Collecting sets or expressing an interest in the game.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Oh nice. I really like that Horde box. I've been eyeing off the Mortarch boxes lately. Now the question is do I buy two or three?

I've wanted the components of that Skaven box for ages, esp the cool Plague Monks.
considering my local shop sells the $85 boxes for $65 + tax, I am not going to hesitant a second.
Good, good times.

Oh crap. You just made me look at the other spoilered pic (I honestly was so excited by the prospect of a new "Skeleton Horde" that "skaven" didn't even register. But given that those Skaven Warmachines are dual kits, and I've got a skaven army waiting in the wings to be painted and assembled, I'm now doen for two of those as well...

That and four boxes of Deathwatch. I salute you for making the pace of adding to my pile of minis seem more reasonable in comparison


I want one of those Screaming Bells since forever, though. The boxes aren't limited, right? I will have to add Pestilens one to sprue mountain some day

Good to know they're at least giving pamphlets away in their own stores.

I don't even know if we have a GW store in SoCal anymore. Used to be the one by Pegasus, which was a silly mistake, but then again any time a hobby/ gaming shop wants to open up, they all do it within a few blocks of Pegasus. Bizarre...

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Vorian wrote:

I personally wonder how long it'll be until the new AoS specific factions will get a start collecting box. If the Fyreslayers had been as affordable as these are making other factions I'd definitely have had a dabble... but the price put me off

Not sure when they will get around to doing it. Could it be that the start collecting boxes are more aimed at legacy models/troops from WHFB than AOS-specific models? I have yet to make 1 AOS purchase but might be more tempted by the Fyreslayers models if there is a saving like some of the other Start Collecting boxes because as you say the current prices are offputting.
...
I also think that the release strategy for AOS is strange and not really promoting it well. The new Orcs would be interesting to see but that's now a month away. Instead new releases are separated by reboxes of old stuff which, although being given standalone weeks and months by GW, are not new releases and stymy any sense of excitement

The Mortarchs from the Skeleton Horde boxes are pretty much AoS-specific releases in all but name - they're from the End Times stuff. Having said that, I don't expect there to be a Fyreslayers box for some time - give it the best part of a year at least. There's a lot of other WHFB models to repackage/cull in the meantime.

Binabik15 wrote:

That and four boxes of Deathwatch. I salute you for making the pace of adding to my pile of minis seem more reasonable in comparison

I want one of those Screaming Bells since forever, though. The boxes aren't limited, right? I will have to add Pestilens one to sprue mountain some day

Yeah. Plus 9 other "Start Collecting" boxes so far (3 Admech, 3 Tau, 2 Seraphon, 1 Khorne Daemons - 3 of those still inc, due to arrive between today and next Wednesday) and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide. Maybe Nurgle Daemons and Space Wolves. And then, yes. 3 Skeleton Horde and 2 Skaven Pestilens. (And the 4 AoS and the 4 Betrayal at Calth). Rountree's ascent has been a bad, bad thing for my wallet, it seems.

RoperPG wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:
So if the rumor is a stormcast cav then I join the collective bet on some form a dracoths. Someone mentioned they would be the same size as those Chaos Varan(sp?) knights. I wonder if they will also be in groups of 3...

I think that came from me. The varanguard are of a similar size to the Celestant on Dracoth, so I'd expect Paladin Dracoth cavalry to be in that ballpark, so a box of 3 sounds like a good bet.
In terms of power level, I'd expect varanguard-type stats as an absolute upper limit - the Celestant on Dracoth is only superior if the dice are with you, and he's supposed to be a hero.
My guess would be Mv10, 3+sv, Bravery 7 and 5, possibly even 6 wounds.
Some form of ranged attack, Max 6 wound melee output from the riders, likely some bonus if charging more than a certain distance.

I did the numbers and on the charge a Lord Celestant on Dracoth does better on average rolling than any single Varanguard, though the Varanguard have the distinction of being units and having that once per game "pile in twice" ability. The Dracoths themselves are way nastier than the Daemonic Steeds though, even before accounting for the shooting attack. Varanguard are each essentially mini Chaos Lord equivalents, so it would make sense that Dracoth Knights would all be mini Lord Celestant equivalents. I'm expecting the two units to be fairly balanced against one another, the Varanguard having the close combat edge but the Dracoths being tougher and getting a shooting attack. I'm curious to see what the actual riders for the Dracoths are like though, i.e. will they be Paladins or Liberators in terms of weapons.

I expect them to be more of the like of Skullcrushers and Demigryph. Varanguard aren't as much a cavalry force as they are champions. Hence you can take them as individuals. I think dracoth cavalry will have minimum amount of models to form a unit.

 Azazelx wrote:


Yeah. Plus 9 other "Start Collecting" boxes so far (3 Admech, 3 Tau, 2 Seraphon, 1 Khorne Daemons - 3 of those still inc, due to arrive between today and next Wednesday) and Lord Heldrath's Chaos Deathtide. Maybe Nurgle Daemons and Space Wolves. And then, yes. 3 Skeleton Horde and 2 Skaven Pestilens. (And the 4 AoS and the 4 Betrayal at Calth). Rountree's ascent has been a bad, bad thing for my wallet, it seems.

Good god, man. Slow down! I thought I was bad! lol.

To re-cap:

The Virulent Horde (Pestilens big box)*
29 miniatures - £105


Wrap up of Pestilens reboxes (i.e. the separates):



*I have nothing to confirm this but I expect it to be limited like that big Sylvaneth box set.

I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.

What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?

PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.

Binabik15 wrote:
I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.

What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?

PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.

They released that in the initial wave. Unless you wanted a mortal Nurgle force, in which case I wouldn't rule it out as something that could happen.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Daemons-of-Nurgle-AoS

Erren wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:
I want a Nurgle start collecting box. Would cpmplement a Pestilens box nicely.

What would that likely be? Blightkings, Plaguebearers, Nurglings and a plastic char? Something like that? More?

PS: I understand the need for AdMech boxes and the "Seraphon". Great deals. GW stuff priced like that across the whole range, that'd hurt the wallet. In a good way.

They released that in the initial wave. Unless you wanted a mortal Nurgle force, in which case I wouldn't rule it out as something that could happen.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Start-Collecting-Daemons-of-Nurgle-AoS

Now for Start Collecting Slaanesh and Tzeentch boxes...

Skaven Batallion

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Skaven-Battalion

and Beastmen Batallion

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Beastmen-Battalion

now in last chance to buy (ranges look safe as they individual units are still in their normal places)

Those two were some of the first items to be placed into "Last Chance to Buy".

The start collecting boxes are two expensive here in Aus, unless already comited to the game I just don't see new players so willing to put that kinda money down.

Yeah, Australia really does kind of get hosed.

Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.

We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Yeah, Australia really does kind of get hosed.

Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.

We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!

I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?

 jonolikespie wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Yeah, Australia really does kind of get hosed.

Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.

We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!

I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?

At last we find the real reason for over a million Aussies in England. They want reasonably priced warhammer...

Home & Away

You know we belong together...

 jonolikespie wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Yeah, Australia really does kind of get hosed.

Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.

We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!

I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?

Did Kirby get stung by a platypus or something?

 Llamahead wrote:
Home & Away

It all makes sense now

 TheWaspinator wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Yeah, Australia really does kind of get hosed.

Let's do some math. "Start Collecting" boxes are $85 USA MSRP, £50 UK MSRP, and $140 Australia MSRP. Current exchange rates equate the UK MSRP to $71 USA and the Australian one to $104 USA.

We Americans are paying 20% more than the British, but you Australians are paying 46% more than the British!

I get that you guys had a revolution and threw out some tea or whatever, but what did we do to the brits to annoy them worse than you?

Did Kirby get stung by a platypus or something?

I heard his family was murdered by a drop bear while touring the colonies.