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Some closer pics of the Dracoth Knights here. Liking them crossbow guys more with those swords sheathed on their backs!

**Edit: I don't know how to embed these images.. won't let me get the image address!

 Mymearan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :

'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
'Concussors'

Good grief.

Soon they'll be all out of -orz.

There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.

Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.


Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.

Must....copyright...everything.

How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?

It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.

Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm liking the new Heraldor but I'm wondering why we need another one so soon.

The same could be said for all the new stormcast.

A chariot would have been nice, but the the cavalry look to be almost as big and expensive a chariot a kit.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.

Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.


Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.

I think the Concussors just beat the Bloodsecrator in the 'dumbest name I have ever seen' contest.

 DarkBlack wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm liking the new Heraldor but I'm wondering why we need another one so soon.

The same could be said for all the new stormcast.

A chariot would have been nice, but the the cavalry look to be almost as big and expensive a chariot a kit.

A chariot pulled by a pair of dracoth (dracoths? dracothi?) would be as large as the old Empire War Wagon

 AegisGrimm wrote:
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", ...

Surely you mean 'chaynswordors'...?



Seriously, though, I think that having a separate name for each unit option isn't necessarily a bad thing, particularly if each of those options has a different unit card... It's essentially what Warmachine has done right from the start (most of the Jacks are just different variants of the same thing with different weapons, after all) and helps reduce the amount of information you have to put on each unit card, while still being able to tell the different units apart easily.


The issue for me isn't with them all having different names, just with those names being stupid.

It wouldn't be quite as bad if the names actually did anything to prevent 3rd-party companies from doing counts-as or extra parts, but it doesn't. The futility of GWs measure is what really puts the names on another level of dumb for me. Names aside, I like the new stormcast cavalry, they look like a solid addition to the line. I wouldn't consider getting them at that price, but my sentiment is shared among many of GW's new models these days.

It's no worse than grabbing a historical name or term (or something in a different language) and slapping that on a unit even though it doesn't fit very well

we're just not used to the former and very used to the latter

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Must....copyright...everything.

How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?
It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.

Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?

When we're talking about a pair of weapon options and the special rules associated with those weapons? It's not a huge deal. But when those weapons have two or three lines of rules associated with them, it becomes absurdly bloated.

insaniak wrote:
Well, yeah... but anybody can use those words. The key is to take a word that doesn't have an -or on the end of it (preferably a word to do with hitting something or exploding) and slap one on there for a totally unique and characterful (and most importantly trademarkeablename.


Hanging out for the release of Stormcast Wallopors, Fisticuffors, Spankors and the elite Earth-Shattering-Kaboomors.

Why do I think of Dial M for Monkey all of a sudden?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Must....copyright...everything.

How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?

It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.

Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?

You mean like Dwarf quarrelers or thunderers. Empire handgunners or crossbowmen. I will agree that the names are a liitle stupid (tiktaq'to still holds the stupid crown though) but this kind of naming convention has been around for a LONG time. It smacks of people using any excuse to attack AOS once again.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
So, the cavalry guys look pretty cool... But :

'Fulminators'
'Desolators'
'Concussors'

Good grief.

Soon they'll be all out of -orz.

There are over 300 words in English that end in -or, without inventing Fantasy versions.

Exaggerator!


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Joyboozer wrote:
Why more trumpet when it's obvious what the Stormcast need is more cowbell?

This man gets it!

Chikout wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Must....copyright...everything.

How hard is it to have a single profile for Dracolith Knights with listings for frigging spears, crossbows, and battleaxes and warhammers?

It's like having a Space Marine Assault squad with "chainsworders", "plasma-pistolers", " power axers", etc. Devastators could have Lascannoners, missilers, etc.

Will an orruks have stabbas and choppas as unit names for units that use that weapon?

You mean like Dwarf quarrelers or thunderers. Empire handgunners or crossbowmen. I will agree that the names are a liitle stupid (tiktaq'to still holds the stupid crown though) but this kind of naming convention has been around for a LONG time. It smacks of people using any excuse to attack AOS once again.

I actually like the Stormcast, if not anything else about why AoS exists. But this super-comic bookish naming is getting insane. I mean...Extremis? Where's Tony Stark when you need him......

Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.

Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.

Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.

Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

You're forgetting the exchange rate - 1 Derp = 1.2 internet points...
More I see the crossbow guys, the more I like them - and being so "fat", there's more to love. Real Dracoths have curves, etc.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Not sure which models you're looking at. They look the same to me.

I can really get into the drama of a story about faceless super warriors who never really die sitting around the ol' Azyr barracks swapping stories about great battles they don't really remember being in. Sometimes, a couple of the more rascally Stormcast Brethren probably totally trick the Lord Castellant and make the Heraldor want to poke his own eyeballs out with his trumpetor when they switch weapons and without anybody noticing. Like, a Liberator just straight up picking up a Thunderaxe, and fighting with a unit of Retributors for a week or two. I bet you that Prosecutors are total jerks and never share anything.

Seriously, the Dracoth things look cool, but like the rest of the AOS releases, they are firmly in the intersection of "too big to scale with things I already own" and "too pricey." At a certain level of chunk, they just look like toys to me.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Kaboomors lol... I say Derpcast Derpdederperz, Age of Derp.

Lord Kaboomor on Derpoth, best of both worlds heh.

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Honestly, I don't get why you keep visiting this thread. You really don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion.

If I wasn't here, I'd have missed on Necrosphinx and Sepulchral Stalkers which I always wanted so yeah I have to be around in case GW axes Chaos Knights or 20 other classic kits I want but don't have yet.

Also I'm curious about this, how it will end, it's so bad. A TT equivalent of Britney Spears going more and more crazy on TV.

My opinion about the models is as worthwhile as yours. It's not my fault that it's the worst wave of models from GW in years and that they are aping videogames now. Went from being an inspiration to ripping off dulled and cartoonish ripoffs of their own worlds and designs.

 Gallahad wrote:
I can really get into the drama of a story about faceless super warriors who never really die sitting around the ol' Azyr barracks swapping stories about great battles they don't really remember being in. Sometimes, a couple of the more rascally Stormcast Brethren probably totally trick the Lord Castellant and make the Heraldor want to poke his own eyeballs out with his trumpetor when they switch weapons and without anybody noticing. Like, a Liberator just straight up picking up a Thunderaxe, and fighting with a unit of Retributors for a week or two. I bet you that Prosecutors are total jerks and never share anything.

Finally a con AoS arguement that made me laugh haha. Personally I don't hate the way SE look but the lore is definitely lacking.

I also do find the SE names ridiculous... But I find it very hypocritical to mention. I mean, Devastators, Terminators, Crusaders, Redeemers, Predators, Vindicators, Ravagers, Raiders, Reavers, Defilers, Obliterators, Mutilators, etc. Nothing new under the sun guys.

 insaniak wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:

Anyway Dracoths are fat, which kind of fits the fat sigmarines. Terrible models, bloated like World of Warcraft ingame ones. It's weird because starter dracoth looked kinda ok.

Not sure which models you're looking at. They look the same to me.

I've only seen starter Dracoth from one angle so maybe that's it, idk. They look bad on the recent picture.

Those concussors looks fine and the cavalry hammers makes sense to me. If they follow the rules for retributors and lightning hammers they'll have quite the punch too.

And I am sorry to say (for some), but the tempestors looks mighty fine. I dont know if they work in the game, but if I was assembling just one of the sigmarites I'd give him the crossbow.

Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?

Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.

So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.

I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.

 Sarouan wrote:
Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?

Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.

So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.

I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.

Your whine might carry a little weight if you actually had to buy the new battletome to get the rules.

 Sarouan wrote:
Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?

Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.

So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.

I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.

Nice thing about AoS is that you can just ignore the books and get the rules for free, so it's not quite like 40k (although they have been getting most new rules out there via White Dwarf lately).

motski wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Well, yeah, it's just a change of weapons for the miniatures and 4 different profiles. So what? That's how Age of Sigmar works, anyway. And GW must find something to write for the rules in the new Battletome, right?

Sure, you can say this is just some money grabbing, but that's how GW works now. They will make a new book for the new miniatures/profiles if they aren't covered in another. Hell, even if they are, they will still do it because fluff/campaign.

So yeah, Age of Sigmar will be swarmed by books and profiles, even if it means making several books for what is basically the same army. Exactly like 40k. Deal with it and take only what suits you. You don't have to play GW games as well, anyway.

I'm just happy to have my Stormcast heavy cavalry. They will be perfect in my collection and will be great ogre chariots count-as for Kings of War.

Your whine might carry a little weight if you actually had to buy the new battletome to get the rules.

What whine? I'm glad to see these new miniatures and I intend to buy them. If I take the book, it will just be for the nice pictures and the fluff - rules will be in the boxes, anyway.

Read posts before answering at random.

 Mymearan wrote:


Nice thing about AoS is that you can just ignore the books and get the rules for free, so it's not quite like 40k (although they have been getting most new rules out there via White Dwarf lately).

Oh yes, it's exactly like 40k - since books don't just have rules, they also have all the fluff and nice pictures inside. The nice touch in AoS is that indeed you don't need the books to play. For both games, you still have a hell of book collection in the end. Not really planet friendly but hey, gotta collect them all if you're a true fanboy.

GW have to make a lot of new units in order to validate the AoS business model in which people will buy smaller but more expensive collections of figures to replace their existing WHFB armies, or simply as newcomers buy AoS model armies that need to exceed the revenue per customer of the now-missing WHFB players..

Minor changes in a stat line, or a new special rule, or a variation on it, are how a new unit is created.

I think the way the rules work, this is how it has to be done. Players who like the rules naturally will like these variant units.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
GW have to make a lot of new units in order to validate the AoS business model in which people will buy smaller but more expensive collections of figures to replace their existing WHFB armies, or simply as newcomers buy AoS model armies that need to exceed the revenue per customer of the now-missing WHFB players..

Though I did find it odd when Temple Guard were released in a larger box than they were previously.