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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 13:32:53
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Infiltrating Broodlord
The Faye
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epronovost wrote: obsidianaura wrote:We're in December now and so by the end of the month we will have gone a year with out a single errata or answer to any questions on anything from Games Workshop. Doesn't really give off a good impression does it? Is it possible GW has stopped supporting the game in providing updates that way? Maybe they think it would be better to release new rulebook with amendments and call it 7.1 edition? That's slightly dishonest. GW is publishing new rules every month now for its two gaming system and that's not counting the board game they produce like Execution Force. Their gaming departement must be flooded with work and new schedules especially considering the cuts that were made in pretty much every single department in that company. This might also explain why some of the most recent release were rather mediocre in term of quality rule wise. That's the issue with their new sale strategy. Sure, they release an enormous amount of new material, but it doesn't give time to adjust their mistakes and clear out some of the rules. I would agree that they will move away from producing errata and FAQ in favor of campaign books, «Warscrolls» and codex updates like the recent Tau release. I wouldn't call it a good idea, but we are stuck with it. I have said nothing that is not true. GW must get dozens of questions a day from its customers about rules. Giving answers on most common questions regarding the core rulebook could be handled in an afternoon meeting with the writers in the design studio, in many cases they've replied with answers via email. I'm sure there's plenty of people here around who would do it for free if given the emails. Churning out books gets them money but by abandoning this clearly required process of rules corrections shows they are less interested in supporting their product and more interested in generating revenue. Don't they list as a reason for buying a digital codex that it will automatically update when new erratas are released? I can't think of a good parallel with other businesses. Possibly it's similar behaviour to an app developer selling a new app rather than fixing the bugs in the old one with an update.
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We love what we love. Reason does not enter into it. In many ways, unwise love is the truest love. Anyone can love a thing because. That's as easy as putting a penny in your pocket. But to love something despite. To know the flaws and love them too. That is rare and pure and perfect.
Chaos Knights: 2000 PTS
Thousand Sons: 2000 PTS - In Progress
Tyranids: 2000 PTS
Adeptus Mechanicus: 2000 PTS
Adeptus Custodes: 2000 PTS - In Progress |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 13:39:44
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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How could this even be just a "thinking about?" How much effort does it take to type "gargantuan creatures shoot [X] weapons," convert to PDF, and upload to the website? Hell, it could even be just one dude deciding if they really don't care about rules enough, and that would be even easier since he doesn't have to consult anyone about the answer.
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4000 pts
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2500 pts Hive Fleet Gungnir
St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go. I owe my soul to GW's store. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 13:46:15
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Infiltrating Broodlord
The Faye
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KharnsRightHand wrote:
How could this even be just a "thinking about?" How much effort does it take to type "gargantuan creatures shoot [X] weapons," convert to PDF, and upload to the website? Hell, it could even be just one dude deciding if they really don't care about rules enough, and that would be even easier since he doesn't have to consult anyone about the answer.
This! Exactly!
I'd do it for free for them, they even answer people by email when they've asked about this exact question, they've just for some reason not managed to release it on the main website.
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We love what we love. Reason does not enter into it. In many ways, unwise love is the truest love. Anyone can love a thing because. That's as easy as putting a penny in your pocket. But to love something despite. To know the flaws and love them too. That is rare and pure and perfect.
Chaos Knights: 2000 PTS
Thousand Sons: 2000 PTS - In Progress
Tyranids: 2000 PTS
Adeptus Mechanicus: 2000 PTS
Adeptus Custodes: 2000 PTS - In Progress |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 13:52:23
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
If a gaming shop wants to hold a tournament, then it's up to them to supply the necessary errata or specific rule changes.
I'm really not sure why people don't understand that Warhammer as a whole is not meant to be competitive.
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:00:15
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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ServiceGames wrote:Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
If a gaming shop wants to hold a tournament, then it's up to them to supply the necessary errata or specific rule changes.
I'm really not sure why people don't understand that Warhammer as a whole is not meant to be competitive.
SG
Maybe it is because when they started playing 40k two or three editions back GW held grand tournaments. Excluding competitive play is a recent attitude.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:02:05
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Also my Sig.
Having faq's for poorly written rules and just generally 'caring' would go a long way. But GW doesn't seem to realise this *cough market research cough*.
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Brb learning to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:04:08
Subject: Re:A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
But there were always tournaments and non tournament games use the same models and same lists as tournament ones. But even if that somehow true, and w40k realy was ment to be played that way,Then why isn't it in the rules? Why aren't the unfun combos limited or baned, by sole virtue of being illegal. And what of the places in the world where w40k and other GW games were always played as table top games and not collecable items to run around with going pew pew.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:06:22
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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ServiceGames wrote:Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
The thing about this is that a lot of people can't agree between themselves how certain rules should be played. Just see any of the "how many weapons can GCs shoot?" threads or whatever the kerfuffle with Coordinated Firepower is. And besides, other games like Monopoly aren't supposed to be played in a tournament format either, and their rules are clearly written. GW wouldn't even need FAQs to begin with if they could actually write their rules clearly and properly to begin with.
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2500 pts Hive Fleet Gungnir
St. Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go. I owe my soul to GW's store. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:08:16
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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ServiceGames wrote:Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
If a gaming shop wants to hold a tournament, then it's up to them to supply the necessary errata or specific rule changes.
I'm really not sure why people don't understand that Warhammer as a whole is not meant to be competitive.
SG
Oh joy, yet more drivel from the "anyone who wants clear rules must be a WAAC That Guy tournament player" crowd.
What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
Or, hell, perhaps you simply don't want to have to discuss badly-written rules before each and every game, and would rather have some clear rules so that you could spend more time playing the damn game.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:22:25
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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vipoid wrote: ServiceGames wrote:Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
If a gaming shop wants to hold a tournament, then it's up to them to supply the necessary errata or specific rule changes.
I'm really not sure why people don't understand that Warhammer as a whole is not meant to be competitive.
SG
Oh joy, yet more drivel from the "anyone who wants clear rules must be a WAAC That Guy tournament player" crowd.
What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
Or, hell, perhaps you simply don't want to have to discuss badly-written rules before each and every game, and would rather have some clear rules so that you could spend more time playing the damn game.
Can't wait to see where this goes.  No, I know where it will go. We've heard it all before....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:24:51
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Minneapolis, MN
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Poorly written rules harm casual play just as much as competitive play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:39:28
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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vipoid wrote:What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
I think the AoS rules offer up an excellent solution (and it's probably somewhere in the 40K rules as well). If two people simply cannot agree on how a rule should be interpreted or how to handle a certain situation, you simply flip a coin or roll a die. The rule may end up not being interpreted the way you specifically wanted it to be interpreted, but a very simple solution.
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:45:26
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Rampaging Carnifex
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
I think the AoS rules offer up an excellent solution (and it's probably somewhere in the 40K rules as well). If two people simply cannot agree on how a rule should be interpreted or how to handle a certain situation, you simply flip a coin or roll a die. The rule may end up not being interpreted the way you specifically wanted it to be interpreted, but a very simple solution.
SG
Thank you GW rep for clarifying. Good thing I haven't bought a single GW product in a year. Maybe you guys don't mind losing your customers and this is your way of downsizing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:46:10
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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ServiceGames wrote: If two people simply cannot agree on how a rule should be interpreted or how to handle a certain situation, you simply flip a coin or roll a die. The rule may end up not being interpreted the way you specifically wanted it to be interpreted, but a very simple solution.
Oh spectacular, a solution that literally randomly changes each game. Yeah, I can see why such detailed rules need to cost £50.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:47:12
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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KharnsRightHand wrote:GW wouldn't even need FAQs to begin with if they could actually write their rules clearly and properly to begin with.
I never said they write good rules. There are just ways, mentioned specifically by GW, to solve issues where poorly written rules cause problems in games. If there was a tournament circuit, there would most certainly be more errata, FAQs, much tighter focus on how the game is played, judges (probably several levels of them as there are in MTG), etc.
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 14:48:11
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Rampaging Carnifex
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Maybe we should simplify the rules further and just flip a coin for every action. Heads my unit kills your unit... tails your unit lives. Who needs clearly defined rules when you can just flip a coin?! Automatically Appended Next Post: ServiceGames wrote: KharnsRightHand wrote:GW wouldn't even need FAQs to begin with if they could actually write their rules clearly and properly to begin with.
I never said they write good rules. There are just ways, mentioned specifically by GW, to solve issues where poorly written rules cause problems in games. If there was a tournament circuit, there would most certainly be more errata, FAQs, much tighter focus on how the game is played, judges (probably several levels of them as there are in MTG), etc.
SG
GW used to have tournaments... and now their focus is changing. It should be no surprise that they're losing customers because of it. Also, don't be surprised when people who have invested a lot of money in the company for tournament play suddenly find their way of gaming to be in limbo because a company called ' GAMESWorkshop' decided to change direction without any input from the players. Automatically Appended Next Post: The only reason I linger on this forum and hold onto my models is because I have a small sliver of hope that maybe GW will come to their senses and realize that their customers WANT comprehensive rules and we WANT tournaments like they used to run. It's a dwindling dream at this point. Right now I'm holding out hope for Mantic's Warpath game coming next year. Once that hits the market, and if it is any good, then I may leave GW behind forever unless they change their direction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:01:56
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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vipoid wrote:Oh spectacular, a solution that literally randomly changes each game. Yeah, I can see why such detailed rules need to cost £50.
This discussion was never about the cost of the BRB or individual codices. It was always about how to fix a disagreement in how to interpret the rules.
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
*** I only play for fun. I do not play competitively. *** |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0011/12/27 12:32:09
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Rampaging Carnifex
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:Oh spectacular, a solution that literally randomly changes each game. Yeah, I can see why such detailed rules need to cost £50.
This discussion was never about the cost of the BRB or individual codices. It was always about how to fix a disagreement in how to interpret the rules.
SG
The discussion is about the fact that GW hasn't released rules clarifications in over a year. His point of the price is relevant because it illustrates how much we're paying for rules that don't work.
GW has never had rules that filled in all the holes but they did at least make an effort to listen to the community and release FAQs to fill some of the holes.
I see your sig and it's clear the lack of comprehensive rules or FAQs wouldn't bother you. You probably only play like-minded individuals. But there are people who like to play random pickup games or tournaments where rule discrepancies can be a huge headache and a simple coin flip isn't going to cut it when you have to do it repeatedly. I'm glad for you that GW hasn't changed so much that they aren't catering to your crowd. But it sucks for those of us who can only play pick-up games or tournaments because all our friends have left the hobby due to financial or other reasons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:23:16
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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GW have been up and down over the years in their service of producing errata.
During 5th edition they launched the Throne of Knowledge or some such named feature on their website. It was specifically proclaimed to be the definitive source for corrections and clarifications.
It vanished when the web site was replaced by the web store.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:28:43
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:Oh spectacular, a solution that literally randomly changes each game. Yeah, I can see why such detailed rules need to cost £50.
This discussion was never about the cost of the BRB or individual codices. It was always about how to fix a disagreement in how to interpret the rules.
SG
And I'm bringing rulebook costs into the debate, because they are very relevant indeed. GW charges vastly more than other companies for its rules. And, if I'm expected to pay premium prices for rules, I expect clear, well-written rules.
But, even ignoring price, 'flip a coin' should be a temporary fix when you haven't got time to check a complicated rules issue. It most certainly shouldn't be the standard way in which rules debates are settled.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:39:02
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
I think the AoS rules offer up an excellent solution (and it's probably somewhere in the 40K rules as well). If two people simply cannot agree on how a rule should be interpreted or how to handle a certain situation, you simply flip a coin or roll a die. The rule may end up not being interpreted the way you specifically wanted it to be interpreted, but a very simple solution.
SG
So on a 4+ I get to cheat? Awesome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:45:26
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Dakka Veteran
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vipoid wrote: ServiceGames wrote:Warhammer is a tabletop game that is supposed to be played amongst friends. It is not sanctioned nor is it a tournament format... at all. Any questions or issues with rules in the Codex should be discussed between players and an agreement reached before a game.
If a gaming shop wants to hold a tournament, then it's up to them to supply the necessary errata or specific rule changes.
I'm really not sure why people don't understand that Warhammer as a whole is not meant to be competitive.
SG
Oh joy, yet more drivel from the "anyone who wants clear rules must be a WAAC That Guy tournament player" crowd.
What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
Or, hell, perhaps you simply don't want to have to discuss badly-written rules before each and every game, and would rather have some clear rules so that you could spend more time playing the damn game.
That's easy, it's even written in the rules. You dice off !
Edit - Ignore, that'll teach me to post without reading the final posts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:54:15
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Bartali wrote:That's easy, it's even written in the rules. You dice off !
Edit - Ignore, that'll teach me to post without reading the final posts.
Still, you're correct regardless of whether or not it was already posted.
SG
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Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:56:59
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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Well, I believe what I actually said was 'what happens if you want some official clarification?'.
And, if 'roll off' counts as official clarification then this game is in an even worse state than I thought.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 15:58:56
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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vipoid wrote:Well, I believe what I actually said was 'what happens if you want some official clarification?'.
And, if 'roll off' counts as official clarification then this game is in an even worse state than I thought.
Considering it's in the rulebooks, a roll off is the official clarification.
SG
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Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 16:00:31
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:Well, I believe what I actually said was 'what happens if you want some official clarification?'.
And, if 'roll off' counts as official clarification then this game is in an even worse state than I thought.
Considering it's in the rulebooks, a roll off is the official clarification.
SG
I'm not sure you understand what 'official clarification' means.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 16:05:08
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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vipoid wrote:I'm not sure you understand what 'official clarification' means.
Coming off several years of Magic: The Gathering before taking up Warhammer, I definitely understand what "official clarification" means. And, in Warhammer, it's written in the rulebooks to roll off if two players can't come to an agreement. That's as official as it can get.
SG
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40K - T'au Empire
Kill Team - T'au Empire, Death Guard
Warhammer Underworlds - Garrek’s Reavers
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 16:05:47
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Infiltrating Broodlord
The Faye
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Grimtuff wrote: ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:What happens if you have the discussion with your friend, but reach an impasse because you disagree on what the right answer is, and you both just want some sort of official clarification?
I think the AoS rules offer up an excellent solution (and it's probably somewhere in the 40K rules as well). If two people simply cannot agree on how a rule should be interpreted or how to handle a certain situation, you simply flip a coin or roll a die. The rule may end up not being interpreted the way you specifically wanted it to be interpreted, but a very simple solution. SG So on a 4+ I get to cheat? Awesome.  Ha I can imagine that. "Right so I have 17 points you have 3, so that's a victory to me. Good game" *extends hand* "Hang on how do you work that out?" *Looks puzzled* "Well if you look here, and here, and here" *points out various rules and troop locations* "It means I have the most points" "Sorry mate I'm going to have to disagree with you on those points" "But its clear in here and here!" "Nope, nope sorry I don't agree" * "It seems we are at an impasse" "Indeed... so, Dice off?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 16:08:51
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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ServiceGames wrote: vipoid wrote:I'm not sure you understand what 'official clarification' means.
Coming off several years of Magic: The Gathering before taking up Warhammer, I definitely understand what "official clarification" means. And, in Warhammer, it's written in the rulebooks to roll off if two players can't come to an agreement. That's as official as it can get.
SG
Apparently you don't.
"If you find that you and your opponent cannot agree on the application of a rule, roll a dice to see whose interpretation will apply for the remainder of the game – on a result of 1-3 player A gets to decide, on a 4-6 player B decides. Then you can get on with the fighting! Once the game is over, you can happily continue your discussion as to the finer points of the rules."
It is quite clearly intended as a temporary solution and is, by definition, not an official clarification. An official clarification wouldn't need you to roll off and would apply for all future games.
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blood reaper wrote:I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
Andilus Greatsword wrote:
"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"
Akiasura wrote:I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.
insaniak wrote:
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/09 16:22:40
Subject: A year with no FAQs or Erratas on 40K or any other system.
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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So we have reached an impasse as to what "official clarification" is interpreted as.
So, we've gotta roll off, right?
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