Riptide Wing and buffing BS within a unit.

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**Nilok**

So I posted this originally in the Tau tactics threads, but I would like some of the YMDC folks find a hole in this, because this seems wrong.

Nilok wrote:
...I just reread the Riptide Wing. None of the rules say that the prior Riptide needs to be in another unit, just that it is a Riptide part of this formation.

Okay, this makes a really silly tactic you can do with the Riptide Wing making all the Riptides BS 4, even the first one that shoots.

First, you have one unit have at least two Riptides and have them equipped with different secondary weapons (SMS and Plasma for instance) and/or primary weapons. In the shooting phase, declare one of the secondary weapons as the weapon group you are firing. Now the other Riptide in the unit is BS 4. Now declare the other secondary weapon as the weapon group you are firing. The first Riptide is now BS 4. Now fire your primary weapons with both Riptides at BS 4.

This requires at least four Riptides, but aside from the first weapon fired from the first Riptide, all of the Riptides will be hitting on 3s.

What rule am I missing that prevents this from working?

**notredameguy10**

Nilok wrote:
So I posted this originally in the Tau tactics threads, but I would like some of the YMDC folks find a hole in this, because this seems wrong.

Nilok wrote:
...I just reread the Riptide Wing. None of the rules say that the prior Riptide needs to be in another unit, just that it is a Riptide part of this formation.

Okay, this makes a really silly tactic you can do with the Riptide Wing making all the Riptides BS 4, even the first one that shoots.

First, you have one unit have at least two Riptides and have them equipped with different secondary weapons (SMS and Plasma for instance) and/or primary weapons. In the shooting phase, declare one of the secondary weapons as the weapon group you are firing. Now the other Riptide in the unit is BS 4. Now declare the other secondary weapon as the weapon group you are firing. The first Riptide is now BS 4. Now fire your primary weapons with both Riptides at BS 4.

This requires at least four Riptides, but aside from the first weapon fired from the first Riptide, all of the Riptides will be hitting on 3s.

What rule am I missing that prevents this from working?

RAW that is correct, as different weapons a resolve one after the other, meaning they are NOT simultaneous. This would mean the unit has "already" been shot at by riptides

**X078**

Nilok wrote:
So I posted this originally in the Tau tactics threads, but I would like some of the YMDC folks find a hole in this, because this seems wrong.

Nilok wrote:
...I just reread the Riptide Wing. None of the rules say that the prior Riptide needs to be in another unit, just that it is a Riptide part of this formation.

Okay, this makes a really silly tactic you can do with the Riptide Wing making all the Riptides BS 4, even the first one that shoots.

First, you have one unit have at least two Riptides and have them equipped with different secondary weapons (SMS and Plasma for instance) and/or primary weapons. In the shooting phase, declare one of the secondary weapons as the weapon group you are firing. Now the other Riptide in the unit is BS 4. Now declare the other secondary weapon as the weapon group you are firing. The first Riptide is now BS 4. Now fire your primary weapons with both Riptides at BS 4.

This requires at least four Riptides, but aside from the first weapon fired from the first Riptide, all of the Riptides will be hitting on 3s.

What rule am I missing that prevents this from working?

Perfectly valid, Don't forget Fire Team bonus if you have 3 in a unit for another +1BS, totaling out on BS5.

**Mr. Shine**

Yup, completely legitimate by the rules.

**carldooley**

sorry, where are the Riptide Wing rules?

**nosferatu1001**

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