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 Erik_Morkai wrote:

mercury14 wrote:
For the people talking about taking multiple Corsair Warp Hunters and Lynxes, they're 0-1 per detachment remember.

But Warp Hunters can be taken in Squadrons so you can take up to 3 in your 0-1.

I didn't see that they were. Eldar CAD were brought up where they are simply a Heavy Support choice or even the formation which is 1-3. I run 2 separate in an Eldar CAD and they are fantastic.

mercury14 wrote:
For the people talking about taking multiple Corsair Warp Hunters and Lynxes, they're 0-1 per detachment remember.

Unless you are referring to the specific Corsair Coterie detachments then the second edition DoM has changed that.

Lynx is a heavy support choice so up to 3 in a CAD.
Same for the Warp Hunter with the addition of being in a squadron.

 vipoid wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
Also detachments for corsairs have a pretty low buy in price and the mandatory units are good to great. Thus 0-1 per detachment is not a huge limitation IMO.

I'm not sure I'd call Corsair Barons great.

Do you really find them useful? For me they're just taxes.

I take them with a jet pack and shadow field. I find they are reasonably tough scoring units with good mobility that are very very easy to keep out of LoS. For the 60 pts price tag they are pretty good as far as tax units go. They don't deal a lot of damage but they can be good tarpits against some targets and they do enough damage to kill most remnant squads off of objectives so you can score it.

 ansacs wrote:

I take them with a jet pack and shadow field. I find they are reasonably tough scoring units with good mobility that are very very easy to keep out of LoS. For the 60 pts price tag they are pretty good as far as tax units go. They don't deal a lot of damage but they can be good tarpits against some targets and they do enough damage to kill most remnant squads off of objectives so you can score it.

For me that's waaaay too many points for a unit with such pitiful damage output. I certainly don't see many units (even severely depleted ones) that can be reliably finished off by 2 shuriken pistol shots.

Another question though - which units do you put them with? I ask because you give the impression that you're running them alone somehow.

I've been working towards building this list:



1842points. I want the Sword on the WK because it looks more pirate-y, but I might switch it after he's proven useless in 5 or more games. Can anyone see anything illegal with this list that I and BattleScribe have missed? Is it worth running 2 Shuriken Cannons on one of the Venoms or should I drop that to give my WK a scatter laser? Is the Farseer a good HQ choice for the Eldar detachment when he can't join the Prince's Cloud Dancer band and let them keep Reckless Abandon? Thanks in advance for any feedback you have.

The only thing to be careful of is that the Corsair Prince doesn't get Rage. He still has to declare a charge if he's within 8" of a target, but he only gets Rampage, not Rage.

In terms of advice:
- I'd consider having 2 squads of 6 jetbikes in the Hate Bringers Coterie (rather than 1 unit of 5). Also, are you planning to use them in combat, or will the Prince just be chilling at the back? If you are planning to use them for combat, you could consider swapping out the scatter lasers for splinter cannons or even just running them naked (so you can focus on positioning rather than shooting). Again though, this is more if you take my advice and have 2 squads of 3.
- The Corsair Baron has way too much gear for my tastes. Considering that his unit wants to sit back and shoot, I really wouldn't bother with the Venom Blade. Likewise, the Shadowfield just seems like far too many points - especially to protect a small and relatively inexpensive unit. I'd rather just put those points towards another Cloud Dancer.
- Those venoms seem really expensive to me, but each to his own.

How does everyone feel about the coterie detachments over a regular CAD?

I've not had the chance to game yet with my corsairs since I'm slowly reconfiguring my units since the book dropped but I'm just not feeling it with the allies of convenience thing and all the additional barons you have to take if you want to run a full 1850 list of pure corsairs.

I don't mean to be super competitive but I feel that corsairs could be quite good running lots of msu because even the basic troops with jet packs can put out decent damage with 2 blasters per 5.

It feels like this army is designed to have lots of small, mobile units with decent ranged damage output shunting around the board - a pure glass cannon army with no frills. The coterie detachment just seems like a headache to me...

 ColdSadHungry wrote:
How does everyone feel about the coterie detachments over a regular CAD?

Honestly, I'm rather torn on this.

Ironically, the main problem I have with both of them is that I can't take enough troops. Can't recall ever having that problem before.

See, I have 9 Jetbikes that I want to use in squads of 3, but I also have 5 Venoms and I want to run each of them with a squad of 5 Reavers with 2 Fusion guns and 3 pistols. That's a total of 8 troops, assuming I don't want to run any extra squads (like Ghostwalkers or Jet Pack Reavers). If possible, I'd also like to run 3 squads of 5 balestrikes with dark lances.

Anyway, if I use a CAD then I obviously have to sacrifice some of the bikes or venom squads (or else take an additional CAD, including a second Corsair Prince). If I use a Coterie detachment, I need at least 3 Coteries - meaning a minimum of 3 extra (and entirely unwanted) HQs. At 1500pts, this usually means I can no longer afford the stuff I want anyway, putting me back to square 1.

Regardless, I imagine most people will have lists that are more balanced (e.g. making use of FA and Elite slots, rather than having 8 troops). In this case, my advice would probably be to see if your army fits in a single CAD. If it does, then you can probably save a hundred points or so by sipping the mandatory HQs. The main exception is if you either need one or more secondary HQs (e.g. if you want a Void Dreamer) or if you want to make a reserve-heavy army (in which case Sky Burners is indispensable).

 ColdSadHungry wrote:

I don't mean to be super competitive but I feel that corsairs could be quite good running lots of msu because even the basic troops with jet packs can put out decent damage with 2 blasters per 5.

Agreed about MSU, though honestly I'd much rather have Fusion Guns than Blasters. They don't synergise with their other weapons (either in range or target), they don't synergise with Reckless Abandon, and it just seems Balestrikes, Cloud Dancers and Hornets are all vastly better for putting out S8 shots.

Also, I've found Jet Packs lacklustre so far. When I use them on Reavers they struggle to get into range (even when I tried blasters), and are unreliable for deep-striking fusion guns (even in a Sky Burners coterie). A Jet Pack Prince in a unit of Jet Pack Malevolents is even worse, as he has a pathetic 6" to try and get into assault range.


Incidentally, if anyone has any tactics for a Prince in a Jet Pack Malevolent squad, I'm all ears.

 vipoid wrote:
The only thing to be careful of is that the Corsair Prince doesn't get Rage. He still has to declare a charge if he's within 8" of a target, but he only gets Rampage, not Rage.

It says that any unit can get Rage. The Prince is a unit, thus I read it as he can get Rage as well.

In terms of advice:
- I'd consider having 2 squads of 6 jetbikes in the Hate Bringers Coterie (rather than 1 unit of 5). Also, are you planning to use them in combat, or will the Prince just be chilling at the back? If you are planning to use them for combat, you could consider swapping out the scatter lasers for splinter cannons or even just running them naked (so you can focus on positioning rather than shooting). Again though, this is more if you take my advice and have 2 squads of 3.

I was thinking about using them in combat, using Reaper of the Outer Dark + Reckless Abandon to charge another, weaker unit. I suppose it is pretty fragile for its cost. Splinter cannons will be considered!

- The Corsair Baron has way too much gear for my tastes. Considering that his unit wants to sit back and shoot, I really wouldn't bother with the Venom Blade. Likewise, the Shadowfield just seems like far too many points - especially to protect a small and relatively inexpensive unit. I'd rather just put those points towards another Cloud Dancer.

- Those venoms seem really expensive to me, but each to his own.

I suppose I could run 2x3 Jetbikes if I drop the gear on the Baron. The venoms are pretty expensive for suicide units I guess, how much does a typical DE venom unit cost in a venom-spam list? I'm thinking deep strike within Fusion gun range, would dropping the void thrusters to save points and rely on Scout be a decent plan?

GrafWattenburg wrote:
It says that any unit can get Rage. The Prince is a unit, thus I read it as he can get Rage as well.

Hah! So it does.

GrafWattenburg wrote:
The venoms are pretty expensive for suicide units I guess, how much does a typical DE venom unit cost in a venom-spam list? I'm thinking deep strike within Fusion gun range, would dropping the void thrusters to save points and rely on Scout be a decent plan?

Actually, ignore me. For some reason I thought you'd bought a 15pt Kinetic Shroud for each venom.

In that case, you're probably alright cost-wise. However, I'd be very curious to hear whether or not you find the secondary guns on the venoms worthwhile.

Just noticed this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/4412z7/doom_of_mymeara_answers_from_forgeworld/

Overall great stuff and even better news for the Skathach.

Good find. I like the Skathach rules as they are fairly non-sensical as written. I've been playing the Warp Hunter they way they described, so no changes for me. Hopefully, FW will place an FAQ on their site for better distribution.

Perhaps a stupid question, but what, exactly, constitutes a "Corsair" unit? Say I attach an allied Farseer to a squad of Corsair Cloud Dancers, does it still count as a Corsair unit for purpopses of being targeted by psychic powers who state "Target a friendly Corsair unit"?

Going to bite the bulet and get the IA11 book when I buy the HH6 book.

I've got 2 boxes of Kabalite Warriors, can I make any troops from this or not? If so what would you recommend?

18" Jump in tandem with melee breakaway would make all the difference for the Skathach. Would love to see that in a formal FAQ.

TompiQ wrote:With the Collector of Ancient Treasures trait, how many relics may the prince choose? And how does interact with the list limitations (i.e. "Shadowseer only").

Considering both the Armour of Misery and the Mask of Secrets on a jetbike prince - would it be doable?

Jimsolo wrote:From what I've been seeing, people are taking the 'ANY relic' to mean he can take them regardless of normal restrictions to Shadowseer/Farseer/ what have you. (Nearly a third of his choices would be unavailable otherwise.)

He can only take a single item, though. That seems pretty straightforward.

What is everyone's thoughts on a Corsair Prince using Collector of Ancient Treasures to grab a relic that another character already has. I.e. the Corsair grabs Mask of Secrets when you already have a Shadowseer with Mask of Secrets. As Jimsolo explains above, ANY relic can be meant to mean without normal restrictions.

vipoid wrote:

 Cieged wrote:

Is there anything forcing the Prince to be your Warlord over alternate HQs?

Yes - "A Corsair Prince must always be the army's warlord."

(It's on the Corsair Prince page.)

What if the Prince is not part of your Primary Detachment? For example, if your Corsair Prince is part of an Allied Detachment, then it appears it could NOT be your warlord since the Allied Detachment explicitly explains that it cannot be the same faction as your Primary Detachment and cannot contain your army's Warlord.

JeffPoole wrote:

TompiQ wrote:With the Collector of Ancient Treasures trait, how many relics may the prince choose? And how does interact with the list limitations (i.e. "Shadowseer only").

Considering both the Armour of Misery and the Mask of Secrets on a jetbike prince - would it be doable?

Jimsolo wrote:From what I've been seeing, people are taking the 'ANY relic' to mean he can take them regardless of normal restrictions to Shadowseer/Farseer/ what have you. (Nearly a third of his choices would be unavailable otherwise.)

He can only take a single item, though. That seems pretty straightforward.

What is everyone's thoughts on a Corsair Prince using Collector of Ancient Treasures to grab a relic that another character already has. I.e. the Corsair grabs Mask of Secrets when you already have a Shadowseer with Mask of Secrets. As Jimsolo explains above, ANY relic can be meant to mean without normal restrictions..

"Any relic" is not specific enough to counter any "1 per army" restrictions. It would have to specifically say that it allows duplicates.

Hello! I'm planning a campaign featuring my Corsairs and I want to get some input on making Wielder of Profane Powers work. It definitely looks like a fun Path for the Prince and should fit in nice with the narrative. I, however, do not have much experience with Daemons and would like to see this communities views on list building.

One other question: When a Daemon is summoned, how does it interact with the Corsairs? Considering the pirates cannot ally with them and the Daemons wouldn't be Battle Brothers, Allies of Convenience, etc.

I have just ordered this book for myself but could you give me some insite on the wraithseer? I love this model plus a shoulder mounted D cannon is always nice.

 Xenomancers wrote:
I have just ordered this book for myself but could you give me some insite on the wraithseer? I love this model plus a shoulder mounted D cannon is always nice.

Expensive. Great for a fluff or concept list but not considered competitive.

The ability to join a squad is great but nullifies it's T8. Joining a squad of Wraithguards or Wraithblades and giving them Feel no Pain is awesome however. D-Cannon is cool but a very expensive upgrade.

Can someone post the rules and stats for the shadow spectors and their aspect Lord, please.

Sorry, dakka doesn't work that way.

I've found the multiphase key generators to be broken.
With no restriction to when a unit can use them, you can conceivably throw them down near a board edge turn 1 with a character. Turn 2, any jetbikes in reserve come on the table, end their movement within 3" of the MKG, and then immediately return into ongoing reserves.

Similar to the piranhas, the jetbikes can't be targeted, even with interceptor fire, and will remain unkillable for the entire game, until turn 5/6, when they move 48" to obsec an objective or two.

 Rypher wrote:
Sorry, dakka doesn't work that way.

I've found the multiphase key generators to be broken.
With no restriction to when a unit can use them, you can conceivably throw them down near a board edge turn 1 with a character. Turn 2, any jetbikes in reserve come on the table, end their movement within 3" of the MKG, and then immediately return into ongoing reserves.

Similar to the piranhas, the jetbikes can't be targeted, even with interceptor fire, and will remain unkillable for the entire game, until turn 5/6, when they move 48" to obsec an objective or two.

More of a gimmick than broken imho. It'd be like putting them in a Sky Burners Cotorie and choosing not to reroll your fail reserves, obviously with more control over when you need them to pounce. Also while they are doing their can't-kill-me trick, they aren't doing anything else. Though it sure is a good way to keep them alive until you need them. I'll try it out next game!

 Rypher wrote:

I've found the multiphase key generators to be broken.
With no restriction to when a unit can use them, you can conceivably throw them down near a board edge turn 1 with a character. Turn 2, any jetbikes in reserve come on the table, end their movement within 3" of the MKG, and then immediately return into ongoing reserves.

Big deal?

They never get too shoot either.

Is it possible to run a squad of Shadow Spectres as part of an Aspect Host formation? Really want to run them as part of a Craftworld Warhost without having to take 3 sqauds.

And whilst I'm at it, woudl Irilyth count as one of the heroes for a command choice?

As Aspect Warriors for Craftworld Eldar list I'd have hoped so but I suspect the answer may end up being no.

Nope they cannot be taken in the Aspect Host formation and Irilyth cannot be taken as part of a command for a Warhost.

Only way I can see to get them into the army, without having to take three units min (Pale Courts Battlehost, Aspect Lord-shrine or their auxiliary formation), would be a CAD and you could make Irilyth the HQ.

Thanks, I was affraid of that.

You could, if you had a different warlord (a prince for example), take an allied detachment of Irillyth, 3 jetbikes, and a squad of spectres for the cheapest possible configuration to use them.


I'm finding a larger fleet co with two coteries to be quite fun. Mostly with MKGs to manipulate reserves and where things show up throughout the game. I like the idea of pseudo-rangers with a baron attached to infiltrate up and drop a portal early game for other things to pop out of later.

I'm also becoming a fan of a unit of jetpack balestrikers. A unit of 5 including a felarch all armed with dark lances is quite formidable and does work throughout a game. It's pretty much what I wish scourge could do instead of being haywire bats.

 Rypher wrote:
You could, if you had a different warlord (a prince for example), take an allied detachment of Irillyth, 3 jetbikes, and a squad of spectres for the cheapest possible configuration to use them.


I'm finding a larger fleet co with two coteries to be quite fun. Mostly with MKGs to manipulate reserves and where things show up throughout the game. I like the idea of pseudo-rangers with a baron attached to infiltrate up and drop a portal early game for other things to pop out of later.

I'm also becoming a fan of a unit of jetpack balestrikers. A unit of 5 including a felarch all armed with dark lances is quite formidable and does work throughout a game. It's pretty much what I wish scourge could do instead of being haywire bats.

The BRB errata made it so non-infiltrating Independent Characters cannot join Infiltrators. Try out Balestrikes with shuriken cannons in a venom! I've had fun with Voidstorms deep striking, both venom and jetpacks, wielding 2 dissonance pistols each. Killed a wounded knight with four 6s out of ten shots. Lucky, but fun...adding a Baron for prescience and his own two shots has helped 6's pop up and a shimmershield has kept them relatively more protected.

 Rypher wrote:

I'm also becoming a fan of a unit of jetpack balestrikers. A unit of 5 including a felarch all armed with dark lances is quite formidable and does work throughout a game. It's pretty much what I wish scourge could do instead of being haywire bats.

I also like Dark Lance Balestrikes. I know a lot of people prefer Dark Lance Cloud Dancers, but I prefer them with Scatter Lasers (which are also cheaper and not available to Balestrikes).

Like you, I think Balestrikes are what scourges should have been.

Mj445 wrote:
Try out Balestrikes with shuriken cannons in a venom!

Given that they're stuck snapshotting if the Venom moves (and/or if they disembark), I can't see the appeal over Jet Packs.

Mj445 wrote:
I've had fun with Voidstorms deep striking, both venom and jetpacks

Eh?

So, were they in a venom or did they have jet packs? Or, are you talking about separate squads?

Mj445 wrote:
wielding 2 dissonance pistols each. Killed a wounded knight with four 6s out of ten shots. Lucky, but fun...adding a Baron for prescience and his own two shots has helped 6's pop up and a shimmershield has kept them relatively more protected.

That's insanely expensive though, especially considering the short range and fragility.