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2015/12/31 21:32:22
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Bingo!
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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2015/12/31 21:33:36
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Sad thing is, I actually heard something that very different from that from a new employee at one point...
They familiarized themselves with everything in the store.
Of course, they didn't have any Sisters in-store any more.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/12/31 21:34:14
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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2015/12/31 21:42:53
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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But don't they proudly have something like 1700 products direct only now?
A lot more than just sisters are getting let out there...
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 Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2015/12/31 23:00:03
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
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2015/12/31 23:16:11
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Lurking Gaunt
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In my area it comes and goes. Right now it is growing and our LFGS is getting ramped up to do a lot of 40k specific events.
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2016/01/01 03:07:03
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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 Selym wrote:To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
Yeah but they could have at least the codex-- OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
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2016/01/01 05:08:43
Subject: Re:Is 40k dying?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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There used to be three Games Workshop stores in and around my city centre...now there's just one left. Not only that but their opening hours are just off-the-hook crazy. They're closed Monday and Tuesday and don't open Wednesday until noon. The staff turnaround cycles faster than an Assault Cannon's rate of fire, but at least they're friendly, though.
Also, the way that GW have run their website's into the ground makes me seriously question whether they even care. White Dwarf magazine used to be, in my opinion, a decent read until the last year or so of its lifetime. The last year of its print run saw a marked and precipitous drop in quality of content. What used to be plenty of interesting articles and stories became nothing more than an advert for the latest releases (yes I know it always was an advert but at least it came with lots of other content).
It's always been a niche hobby but there doesn't seem to be a particular shortage of fans/players of 40k, in my opinion. However, something has definitely happened behind the scenes at GW in the last few years and whatever it is isn't good. Another prime example is the unholy mess they've made of the HH book series. The actual, physical novels have become an endangered species, usurped by truckloads of tiny ebooks that take sixty seconds to read and 128-page novellas costing thirty quid with a print run of only a couple of thousand. How this will affect the hobby in the long run is up for debate...but I for one am worried...
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This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2016/01/01 05:20:00
"How many people here have telekenetic powers raise my hand" - The Emperor, The council of Nikae
"Never raise your hand to your children, it leaves your midsection unprotected" - The Emperor
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2016/01/01 07:37:17
Subject: Re:Is 40k dying?
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Douglas Bader
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 Muhr wrote:They're closed Monday and Tuesday and don't open Wednesday until noon.
This is what I don't get. Why even have game stores at all if they're hardly ever open? The independent stores in the area are open every day and stay open until 10-11pm. The local GW is closed at least two days a week, doesn't stay open long enough to get in an after-work game during the week, and closes whenever the one employee takes a lunch break. It's just amazing how they can screw up something so simple.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2016/01/01 08:15:19
Subject: Re:Is 40k dying?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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 Peregrine wrote: Muhr wrote:They're closed Monday and Tuesday and don't open Wednesday until noon.
This is what I don't get. Why even have game stores at all if they're hardly ever open? The independent stores in the area are open every day and stay open until 10-11pm. The local GW is closed at least two days a week, doesn't stay open long enough to get in an after-work game during the week, and closes whenever the one employee takes a lunch break. It's just amazing how they can screw up something so simple.
I think I've shown up to my local GW to find it closed for lunch more times than not this last 6 months.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2016/01/01 12:52:07
Subject: Re:Is 40k dying?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Peregrine wrote: Muhr wrote:They're closed Monday and Tuesday and don't open Wednesday until noon.
This is what I don't get. Why even have game stores at all if they're hardly ever open? The independent stores in the area are open every day and stay open until 10-11pm. The local GW is closed at least two days a week, doesn't stay open long enough to get in an after-work game during the week, and closes whenever the one employee takes a lunch break. It's just amazing how they can screw up something so simple.
Because they aren't intended to be game stores, but a boutique place you stop by on the way home from work to buy a few things. The problem is they are treating a game like it's art or luxury clothes and expect their customers to behave like rich housewives that will go out for a day of shopping and come home with bags of expensive things from brand name stores.
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2016/01/01 17:22:24
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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 Kilkrazy wrote:A large part fo GW's costs go in running their retail chain. That's why I argue they should carry a wider range of games, which I believe would appeal to more customers and increase the selling power of the setup.
That seems to be the strategy of the new CEO. They're bringing back specialist games, although to what extent remains to be seen. I always thought it was shortsighted of them to kill off the games that provided the best and most economical gateway to the hobby. Maybe bringing back Necromunda, Mordheim, bfg, etc will make the retail arm worth it. Right now, it's nothing but an anchor. What is the sense in spending 50% of your operating budget on something responsible for 30% of your revenue? Focus on making models and rules and let the FLGS owners sell the product like every other TTWG company in the market unless you have something special to bring to the table. A one man store on a side road that's only open 30 hours a week and has no playing space is not worth the time and money to keep it running.
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2016/01/01 17:48:05
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Ruthless Rafkin
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 Melissia wrote: Selym wrote:To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
Yeah but they could have at least the codex-- OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
I mean, Sisters are the one army that GW can point to as being mostly their invention. It's got a great background and interesting units and... Nothing. Not a peep on the horizon about any new models. The mind boggles.
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40k is about slamming two slegdehammers together and hoping the other breaks first. Malifaux is about fighting with scalpels trying to hit select areas and hoping you connect more. |
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2016/01/01 18:00:19
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Melissia wrote: Selym wrote:To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
Yeah but they could have at least the codex-- OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
Why would you need a codex? This isn't a gaming hobby, it's a model hobby... Yay Gee Dubs.
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2016/01/01 18:06:13
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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 Tinkrr wrote: Melissia wrote: Selym wrote:To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
Yeah but they could have at least the codex-- OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
Why would you need a codex? This isn't a gaming hobby, it's a model hobby... Yay Gee Dubs.
They don't stock Sisters models, either. In many regions they're online-only.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2016/01/01 18:06:39
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2016/01/01 22:12:27
Subject: Is 40k dying?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Melissia wrote: Tinkrr wrote: Melissia wrote: Selym wrote:To be fair to GW, if they tried to represent most of their range in a single store, it would be about the size of a supermarket.
Yeah but they could have at least the codex-- OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
Why would you need a codex? This isn't a gaming hobby, it's a model hobby... Yay Gee Dubs.
They don't stock Sisters models, either. In many regions they're online-only.
They sell green stuff and paint don't they? There you go, and if that fails I'm sure they have a sea of Space Marines to sell you D:
On a serious note though, it's kind of sad Sisters get no love as I remember playing them a bit when they got a new codex and more during third, and it was a lot of fun to play too. Oh, and looking at the models on the GW site, I really like the Hospitaller model.
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