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Hello everyone hopefully you are ready for a bloody game. We’ve got the new Tau vs. Stompa lead Orks! Should be a great game so don’t forget to tune in. The game will be live on Twitch: Frontlinegaming_TV at 7:00 PM Pst. Also we will be giving away a Vindicare Assassin to one lucky viewer.

http://www.twitch.tv/frontlinegaming_tv



Tau List:

Keith’s (A.K.A. DirtyDeeds) Tau Empire
Codex: Tau Empire Combined Arms Detachment

HQ
Commander – Drone Controller, Iridium Armor, Two Marker Drones
Elite
Riptide – Ion Accelerator, Twin Linked Plasma Rifle, Early Warning Override
Riptide – Heavy Burst Cannon, Twin Linked Smart Missile System, Early Warning Override
Troops
Strike Team – x5
Strike Team – x5
Lord of War
Stormsurge – Pulse Driver Cannon, Twin Linked Airbursting Fragmentation Projector, Shield Generator, Early Warning Override, Advanced Targeting System
Fortification
Void Shield Generator (3 Shields)
Formations:

Optimized Stealth Cadre
Ghostkeel – (Ghostkeel A) Early Warning Override, Twin Linked Burst Cannon, (Ghostkeel B) Early Warning Override, Twin Linked Fusion Blaster, Target Lock
Stealth Suits – x3, Fusion Blaster x1
Stealth Suits – x3, Fusion Blaster x1
Drone Net
Marker Drone – x4
Marker Drone – x4
Marker Drone – x4
Marker Drone – x4
This is a nasty Tau army! It has all the tools it needs to blast the poor Orks to smithereens. We’ll have to see if the new bargain basement priced Big Mek Stompa with Boss Mek Buzzgob can make the difference.

Orks 1850pts
Unit Description Size Cost
Ork CAD
HQ
Zhadsnark – 1 150
Painboy Bike 1 75
Troops
Grots – 10 35
Bikers Nob, Klaw 15 305
Elites
Tank Bustas – 10 130
Trukk Ram 1 35
Tank Bustas – 10 130
Trukk Ram 1 35
LoW
Boss Mek Buzzgob Big Mek Stompa: Deff Gun 1 500
Great WAAGH! Detachment
HQ
Warboss Bike, Big Bosspole, Klaw 1 130
Big Mek Mega KFF 1 125
Troops
Grots – 11 35
Grots – 11 35
Elites
Tank Bustas – 10 130
Totals – 84 1850

Looking forward to it! Excited to see how well the Big Mek Stompa does... especially without a horde of Meks in it!

Don't worry, I'll let it live for one turn so you guys can see how it does.

DirtyDeeds wrote:
Don't worry, I'll let it live for one turn so you guys can see how it does.

Haha! That game was super fun to watch.

 1PlusLogan wrote:

DirtyDeeds wrote:
Don't worry, I'll let it live for one turn so you guys can see how it does.

Haha! That game was super fun to watch.

Glad you enjoyed it! I had a helluva fun time playing the game, goddamn grots!

Short summary of how it went? Interested to hear how the Skynet worked.

Orks sets up in open for a straight assault
Orks gets seized
2 turns of tau shooting obliterate most tank busters and nearly every bike even stripped the power fields off the stompa and muliple str d missles failed to kill stompa.
All Orks have left is stompa and grots
Grots and lucky belly gun take out most stealth suits and riptide.
The tau player was failing 3+ saves and 2+ saves and 4+ saves all over the place. Seriously grots with str2 ap- blasters killed drones and stealth suits.
3rd round of tau shooting cleared up rest of tabkbustas and whittled down grots who passed morale and held obj. Blocked stompa charge to Stormsurge with firewarriors.
Ork turn more savage beating of drones by grots who hold firm.
Stompa takes out other riptide and eventually storm surge again with failed saves by tau.
Last turn More random tau failed leadership to run off board. Finally tau warlord self explodes.
2nd grot troop runs out of the stompa poop shoot to take emperor will. Game ends with Orks winning by 1.

The stompa liftadrooppa was useless without vehicles. The eye of gork was mostly useless at bs2 only hit once and took off last 2 hull from riptide. The belly gun was great though. Biggest deal with the stompa was it is near unkillable with 5 repair rolls. (Multiple mek tool rolls probably shouldn't stack in the next Ork codex imho). But this game was won but horrible rolls from tau player saves.

Wooooh orks! That's an awesome outcome. What I like to see. Tau.. Top tier.. Pah

Ceaser wrote:
Wooooh orks! That's an awesome outcome. What I like to see. Tau.. Top tier.. Pah

Exactly! Let's nerf them more based on this one game

So let me get this straight. Tau get majorly nerfed after less than a month (with NO tournament data and after having lost all published games from Frontline Gaming) and then proceed to loose to what is considered a low tier army? Which btw, got a ridiculous upgrade in allowing a super cheap Big Mek Stompa when that exact rule was already clarified by forge world as not being valid.

Wow awesome outcome of the last ITC votes lol

Has Tau won a Frontline Gaming report since the new codex?

 redthirst wrote:
Has Tau won a Frontline Gaming report since the new codex?

I believe they had 2 prior to the vote and tau lost both (and they had the "best version" of CFP)

And they have lost each game since then as well I believe

notredameguy10 wrote:
So let me get this straight. Tau get majorly nerfed after less than a month (with NO tournament data and after having lost all published games from Frontline Gaming) and then proceed to loose to what is considered a low tier army? Which btw, got a ridiculous upgrade in allowing a super cheap Big Mek Stompa when that exact rule was already clarified by forge world as not being valid.

Wow awesome outcome of the last ITC votes lol

The game was close and both parties had fun. I would consider the vote a success.

Since the new codex release

Frontline Gaming has had Tau vs:
White Scars: Lost
Orks: Lost
Ravenguard: Lost
Necrons: Lost
Skittari: Lost

Yeah. Tau really needed that knee jerk nerf they got lol


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bogalubov wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:
So let me get this straight. Tau get majorly nerfed after less than a month (with NO tournament data and after having lost all published games from Frontline Gaming) and then proceed to loose to what is considered a low tier army? Which btw, got a ridiculous upgrade in allowing a super cheap Big Mek Stompa when that exact rule was already clarified by forge world as not being valid.

Wow awesome outcome of the last ITC votes lol

The game was close and both parties had fun. I would consider the vote a success.

Having fun isn't the point I was making. Orks are considered one of the most underpowered codexes right now. Tau got nerfed because people freaked out initially that they were SOOOO OP.

notredameguy10 wrote:
Since the new codex release

Frontline Gaming has had Tau vs:
White Scars: Lost
Orks: Lost
Ravenguard: Lost
Necrons: Lost
Skittari: Lost

Yeah. Tau really needed that knee jerk nerf they got lol


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bogalubov wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:
So let me get this straight. Tau get majorly nerfed after less than a month (with NO tournament data and after having lost all published games from Frontline Gaming) and then proceed to loose to what is considered a low tier army? Which btw, got a ridiculous upgrade in allowing a super cheap Big Mek Stompa when that exact rule was already clarified by forge world as not being valid.

Wow awesome outcome of the last ITC votes lol

The game was close and both parties had fun. I would consider the vote a success.

Having fun isn't the point I was making. Orks are considered one of the most underpowered codexes right now. Tau got nerfed because people freaked out initially that they were SOOOO OP.

So you're upset that a low tier codex has a chance now? You'd rather them not have a chance at all? Huh.. Says a lot about you as a player

Ceaser wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:
Since the new codex release

Frontline Gaming has had Tau vs:
White Scars: Lost
Orks: Lost
Ravenguard: Lost
Necrons: Lost
Skittari: Lost

Yeah. Tau really needed that knee jerk nerf they got lol


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bogalubov wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:
So let me get this straight. Tau get majorly nerfed after less than a month (with NO tournament data and after having lost all published games from Frontline Gaming) and then proceed to loose to what is considered a low tier army? Which btw, got a ridiculous upgrade in allowing a super cheap Big Mek Stompa when that exact rule was already clarified by forge world as not being valid.

Wow awesome outcome of the last ITC votes lol

The game was close and both parties had fun. I would consider the vote a success.

Having fun isn't the point I was making. Orks are considered one of the most underpowered codexes right now. Tau got nerfed because people freaked out initially that they were SOOOO OP.

So you're upset that a low tier codex has a chance now? You'd rather them not have a chance at all? Huh.. Says a lot about you as a player

No i am upset the Frontline Gaming was dead set on nerfing Tau before a single tournament was played. They were 0-2 even with the "best version" of CFP and are 0-5 now in total there.

I'm fairly certain that the votes we take in the ITC are aimed at removing ambiguity and more importantly at removing ridiculous stuff that prevents the participation of both parties in the game. If we can create an environment where Orks have a chance against Tau, I think we're succeeding. It may come as a shock, but non-Tau players also like to feel like they are participating in the game.

The Tau player lost due to some bad rolling in critical times. A game being decided on a few rolls, is an exciting game. Both parties had fun and the armies got to beat up on each other. That is the best possible outcome.

bogalubov wrote:
I'm fairly certain that the votes we take in the ITC are aimed at removing ambiguity and more importantly at removing ridiculous stuff that prevents the participation of both parties in the game. If we can create an environment where Orks have a chance against Tau, I think we're succeeding. It may come as a shock, but non-Tau players also like to feel like they are participating in the game.

The Tau player lost due to some bad rolling in critical times. A game being decided on a few rolls, is an exciting game. Both parties had fun and the armies got to beat up on each other. That is the best possible outcome.

I beg to differ. Like i said. Tau are now 0-5 at frontlinegaming.

The reason Tau were nerfed was NOT because of ambiguity. It was nerfed because people felt like they would be too OP. This has been proven incorrect/false. Why do you think all these Tau players are using CADs instead of Hunter Contingent? Because its not nearly as good anymore.

Why isn't sky hammer nerfed? Or Ravenwing? Or elder Wraithknight cost? or Necrons army wide 4+ FnP and 3++ Wraiths with Reanimation Protocol? Those rules are just as OP as CFP ever was.

notredameguy10 wrote:

bogalubov wrote:
I'm fairly certain that the votes we take in the ITC are aimed at removing ambiguity and more importantly at removing ridiculous stuff that prevents the participation of both parties in the game. If we can create an environment where Orks have a chance against Tau, I think we're succeeding. It may come as a shock, but non-Tau players also like to feel like they are participating in the game.

The Tau player lost due to some bad rolling in critical times. A game being decided on a few rolls, is an exciting game. Both parties had fun and the armies got to beat up on each other. That is the best possible outcome.

I beg to differ. Like i said. Tau are now 0-5 at frontlinegaming.

The reason Tau were nerfed was NOT because of ambiguity. It was nerfed because people felt like they would be too OP. This has been proven incorrect/false. Why do you think all these Tau players are using CADs instead of Hunter Contingent? Because its not nearly as good anymore.

Why isn't sky hammer nerfed? Or Ravenwing? Or elder Wraithknight cost? or Necrons army wide 4+ FnP and 3++ Wraiths with Reanimation Protocol? Those rules are just as OP as CFP ever was.

It was ambiguity. 5 people would read the combined fire rule and give you 5 different interpretations. You don't get to a close to 50/50 split in the vote without things being crystal clear. If it was written like the rules for all these other forces you've written, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

bogalubov wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:

bogalubov wrote:
I'm fairly certain that the votes we take in the ITC are aimed at removing ambiguity and more importantly at removing ridiculous stuff that prevents the participation of both parties in the game. If we can create an environment where Orks have a chance against Tau, I think we're succeeding. It may come as a shock, but non-Tau players also like to feel like they are participating in the game.

The Tau player lost due to some bad rolling in critical times. A game being decided on a few rolls, is an exciting game. Both parties had fun and the armies got to beat up on each other. That is the best possible outcome.

I beg to differ. Like i said. Tau are now 0-5 at frontlinegaming.

The reason Tau were nerfed was NOT because of ambiguity. It was nerfed because people felt like they would be too OP. This has been proven incorrect/false. Why do you think all these Tau players are using CADs instead of Hunter Contingent? Because its not nearly as good anymore.

Why isn't sky hammer nerfed? Or Ravenwing? Or elder Wraithknight cost? or Necrons army wide 4+ FnP and 3++ Wraiths with Reanimation Protocol? Those rules are just as OP as CFP ever was.

It was ambiguity. 5 people would read the combined fire rule and give you 5 different interpretations. You don't get to a close to 50/50 split in the vote without things being crystal clear. If it was written like the rules for all these other forces you've written, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Um that isn't true at all lol. ITC has had several rule voting on 100% clear rules just because they felt they were too OP. As well as the exact wording for CFP vote for CFP was "How do you wish to play...". Not "What is the RAW'.

Scatter bikes was 100% clear RAW and that was put up to a vote and barely won at around 51%

And 90% of people who actually have read the rule extensively will say RAW sharing rules is exactly what CFP says.

This guy isn't worth the letters we are typing. He refuses to listen to any reason other than his own

Ceaser wrote:
This guy isn't worth the letters we are typing. He refuses to listen to any reason other than his own

Says the guy who has constantly gone out of his way in the past to arguein Tau related threads when he has been wrong every single time:

Argued that:
Drones count as scoring units
Piranhas cannot leave the board in their formation
CFP

notredameguy10 wrote:

Ceaser wrote:
This guy isn't worth the letters we are typing. He refuses to listen to any reason other than his own

Says the guy who has constantly the past argued in Tau related threads when he has been wrong every single time:

Argued that:
Drones count as scoring units
Piranhas cannot leave the board in their formation

Says what? What are you talking about? Are we making up random nonsense and babbling on now?

Ceaser wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:

Ceaser wrote:
This guy isn't worth the letters we are typing. He refuses to listen to any reason other than his own

Says the guy who has constantly the past argued in Tau related threads when he has been wrong every single time:

Argued that:
Drones count as scoring units
Piranhas cannot leave the board in their formation

Says what? What are you talking about? Are we making up random nonsense and babbling on now?

I have seen you in multiple threads like i mentioned in my post. You have like 40 posts and half of them are trying to bash tau/ tau players

and its funny how you can't argue anything i say on the matter and instead just say "pssh no use listening to him"

notredameguy10 wrote:

Ceaser wrote:

notredameguy10 wrote:

Ceaser wrote:
This guy isn't worth the letters we are typing. He refuses to listen to any reason other than his own

Says the guy who has constantly the past argued in Tau related threads when he has been wrong every single time:

Argued that:
Drones count as scoring units
Piranhas cannot leave the board in their formation

Says what? What are you talking about? Are we making up random nonsense and babbling on now?

I have seen you in multiple threads like i mentioned in my post. You have like 40 posts and half of them are trying to bash tau/ tau players

and its funny how you can't argue anything i say on the matter and instead just say "pssh no use listening to him"

*looks at posts* I've never bashed the players. In this thread, I even simply stated I was happy for the orks. You know what it must feel like to beat tau, the hardest match up? Have you ever been an ork player? It's a constant uphill battle. Every move is crucial. Every dice roll. To get that victory had to of been exillerating.

Anywho, back on topic

read all the YMDC threads on CFP and you will see that about 90% of people agree. There is a thread up right now and not 1 single person can give a RAW reason Rules should not share.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/672187.page

I haven't had a chance to watch this one.

It doesn't look like the Tau player was using either of the new detachments. Unless I'm missing something, just 2 of the new formations.

Any idea why? Dawn Blade would have been devastating to the Stompa as an example(Killing Blow).

He said in the report he was going back and forth between this and the triple riptide formation that Frankie is running.

 Bulldogging wrote:
I haven't had a chance to watch this one.

It doesn't look like the Tau player was using either of the new detachments. Unless I'm missing something, just 2 of the new formations.

Any idea why? Dawn Blade would have been devastating to the Stompa as an example(Killing Blow).

I am guessing because he wanted to take the Void Shield Generator which you cannot do in either detachment.

To be fair, I think the FL guys have been playing more games than they've shown in battle reports and Frankie has been killing it with Tau, even though he is a Tau noobie.

Also, two of the top-ranked ITC guys are killing it with Tau in my area, Paul McKelvey and Jeremy Vesseire.