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2015/12/21 17:12:22
Subject: Re:Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Alex Kolodotschko wrote: That's easy for you to say, twice.
I've voted nids just because they've got so many supplements and extra material that really all needs to be in the same book to make them effective.
My thoughts exactly. I hate lugging around all that extra stuff to have a complete army.
2015/12/21 17:44:46
Subject: Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Slaphead wrote: CSM hands down. They need a full re-write of their entire book, it is so badly out of date and just does not work. Forget all that renegade BS, just do a codex based on all the different ancient traitor legions (DeathGuard, Iron Warriors, Emperors Children, etc, etc) to give the fans what they want. As to whether GW will do that or not is another matter....
The other armies in the list just need a few minor tweaks in comparison.
Well, we've had Sad Panda come right out and say that there's no hope for 2016, and 2017 ain't looking too good either...
My bet is at this point, GW just outright squats Chaos Marines altogether, as they currently require too much capitol investment to overhaul. Not to mention that pretty soon, half the currently atrocious model range will become obsolete once they finish canning Fineco$t.
Say good-bye to most HQ's, Oblits, Mutilators, Plaguemarines, 1kSons, Noise Marines, Havocs, Biker upgrades...
And we desperately need new kits for basic Chaos Marines, Terminators & 'Zerkers, while Chosen & Cultists are still completely lacking a kit.
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2015/12/21 17:47:41
Subject: Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Slaphead wrote: CSM hands down. They need a full re-write of their entire book, it is so badly out of date and just does not work. Forget all that renegade BS, just do a codex based on all the different ancient traitor legions (DeathGuard, Iron Warriors, Emperors Children, etc, etc) to give the fans what they want. As to whether GW will do that or not is another matter....
The other armies in the list just need a few minor tweaks in comparison.
Well, we've had Sad Panda come right out and say that there's no hope for 2016, and 2017 ain't looking too good either...
My bet is at this point, GW just outright squats Chaos Marines altogether, as they currently require too much capitol investment to overhaul. Not to mention that pretty soon, half the currently atrocious model range will become obsolete once they finish canning Fineco$t.
Say good-bye to most HQ's, Oblits, Mutilators, Plaguemarines, 1kSons, Noise Marines, Havocs, Biker upgrades...
And we desperately need new kits for basic Chaos Marines, Terminators & 'Zerkers, while Chosen & Cultists are still completely lacking a kit.
The Chaos fan in me want's to laugh and respond with something like ''Oh you silly person etc etc....'' except....... There's actually a chance you're right, and this worries me. I used to think that Chaos was the traditional enemy, the big bad guy of 40K. Then I gaze across at the world of AoS and I start to wonder.... they have Sigmarines and then Daemons and then the Khorne specific army and now 'Ever Chosen'. 40K has Marines and then Daemons and then Khorne Daemonkin,
Warriors of Chaos and Chaos Space Marines seem to be less important and to be gradually phasing out
Thousand Sons: 3850pts / Space Marines Deathwatch 5000pts / Dark Eldar Webway Corsairs 2000pts / Scrapheap Challenged Orks 1500pts / Black Death 1500pts
Wulfmar wrote: Warriors of Chaos and Chaos Space Marines seem to be less important and to be gradually phasing out
Serves all those CSM players right for picking the wrong army.
Didn't you realise that CSMs, SoB and DE are just there to trick you? If you pick any of them as your army, you're obviously not a *real* 40k fan. Proper fans know to pick Space Marines, Eldar or Necrons.
(BA are similarly a trap - a second test, if you will - to make sure you pick the correct type of Space marines.)
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
2015/12/22 00:52:55
Subject: Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Wulfmar wrote: As a side note, Khorne Daemonkin is a worthless piece of crud, an absolute waste of time unless you play Khorne darmons/aligned space marines. For anyone who plays any of the other three chaos gods, it's unusable unless you buy a new army. So saying 'oh but you have KDK' isnt cutting it with me
Why don't you play Khorne? In the grim darkness of the far future there is only:
A) Disease
B) Change
C) Bewbs
D) War
But back on topic. I wanted to vote but didn't see Sentinels of Terra on the list. That book seriously needs some love! Close Ranged Bolter Drill needs to be updated to work with sternguard special ammunition and they are in desperate need of a decurion. And don't even get me started on the model line! All these years and still no plastic Lysander!! For shame, GW. FOR SHAME!
2015/12/22 06:14:52
Subject: Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
vipoid wrote: I think DE are most in need of getting a second 7th edition book. But, I don't know if they should get one before armies like CSM, IG or nids, who haven't had a first 7th edition book yet.
Anyway, the main reason I'd suggest DE is that they were already struggling badly at the beginning of 7th, yet their codex was actually a step backwards. GW basically ripped several pages out of the old book, and charged DE players £30 for the privilege.
Given how often I win with DE, it makes me wonder what other people are doing wrong for their to be so much hate for the current dex.
I'm going to assume you started up DE during the current codex because if you had access to the last one you would see how sorely the fluff and character has been sucked out of DE. The Old codex was about as competitive in it's days meta as ours is currently (I.E You can win locals, don't have a chance against optimised lists with competent generals) but it had so much more character. Ravagers had the special rule Arial Assault, letting them fire all 3 weapons and move 12''. It made ravagers useful and had good character as DE being the fastest around. Sargents could take Power Lances, Mauls and Axes. I've got two Reaver Sargents with Power Lances who are worthless now, because who would bother with a Power Sword at 15pts for Str3? Achons were viable without being a tax, shadowfield and venomblade was under 100pts. Electroshock wipes, Mindphase Gauntlets, Stunclaws all had unique special rules rather than the watered down, frankly absurdly terribly USR they have now. Beast packs were viable due to the Baron, Wyches were usable with Haywire Grenades or the Duke, We had powerful and characterful toys from the covenites such as the Shattershard or an *interesting* hex rifle, we had Vect to give DE a fighting chance in Apoc/large matches and we had the Lady who was...niche? I won't say good, but she was unique and she was ours.
How many people do you think converted up the Dark Eldar aristocracy, (Barons, Dukes,Ladys and of course surpreme overlords) only to have them, and the entire playstyle they evoked, revoked? Hundreds. We have every right to hate the current codex, it did little for us competitively, nothing for us thematically and we are considerably worse off with diversity and identity. And I swear to GeeDubs if we get a Gakky little reprint like the Tau got their will be hell to pay.
Of course I understand others have this problem as well. But none more so than DE. CSM may be bad, but at least they have interesting characters and strong themes and characterful (If not good) rules for some of their units. CSM's deserve the next update because it's way past their due date, but Dark Eldar are not far behind.
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2015/12/22 08:04:57
Subject: Re:Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Chaos. Not only are their rules just feces, their models need an update as well and a new codex often means new models.
"being religious is like playing only Dark Eldar: there's so many things you can't do" -me, 24/2/'16
''I was chosen by Heaven. Say my name when you pray
To the sky,
See Carolus rise.
With the Lord my protector.
Make them bow to my will.
To the sky,
See Carolus rise.''
2015/12/22 08:10:25
Subject: Which non-sisters faction deserves a new codex the most?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: As the keeper of the flame I feel obliged to post this.
Still waiting...
20 years, 100 years, we shall not forget.
Never forget.
Never forgive.
"being religious is like playing only Dark Eldar: there's so many things you can't do" -me, 24/2/'16
''I was chosen by Heaven. Say my name when you pray
To the sky,
See Carolus rise.
With the Lord my protector.
Make them bow to my will.
To the sky,
See Carolus rise.''