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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 02:07:06
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Beast of Nurgle
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This is something I was thinking about as a response to drop pod armies coming in to ruin the fun and mess with your back lines. I frequently play a friend that uses Drop Pods and wanted to make a list to counter it so that I could have other assets be free to ignore them while I have other units come in from reserves to bite back at them in my deployment zone.
COMBINED ARMS DETACHMENT
HQ
Chaos Lord: MoK, VOTLW, Axe of Blind Fury, Sigil of Corruption, Gift of Mutation, Melta Bombs. 155pts
ELITES
Chosen Squad: MoK, VOTLW, 8 Chosen w/ 4 Power Swords, 1 Meltagun, Icon of Wrath, 1 Champion w/ Power Sword, Melta Bombs. 308pts
TROOPS
Chaos Space Marine Squad x2: 9 Chaos Space Marines w/ 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Champion, Rhino w/ Dozer Blade. 210pts
FAST ATTACK
Chaos Biker Squad x2: MoN, 3 Chaos Bikers w/ 2 Meltaguns, 1 Champion w/ Power Fist. 159pts
Chaos Biker Squad: MoN, 3 Chaos Bikers w/ 2 Plasma Guns, 1 Champion w/ Power Axe. 159pts
HEAVY SUPPORT
Chaos Land Raider: Dirge Caster, Dozer Blade. 240pts
Forgefiend x2: 3 Ectoplasma Cannons. 200pts
TOTAL POINTS: 2,000
The idea here is to have the Bikes in cover and the Rhinos flanking the Land Raider to offer cover, while my Forgefiends stay in reserve. My Chaos Lord's traits will be rolled on the Strategic table, looking for either Master of Ambush or Strategic Genius. In this list, I believe it would be more advantageous for me to have first turn, that way, after his drop pods come in, on my turn 2 I can have my Forgefiends walk on to blast away his Drop Podded units. I believe that these Ectoplasma Forgefiends are perfect for a perimeter defense, keeping them in reserve will keep them from being easy prey with DSing Melta or Grav, and when they walk on the DS'rs will be easy prey for the Forgefiends instead. Strategic Genius would allow for me to almost guarantee my Forgefiends on turn 2, alternatively, Master of Ambush would allow me to push my Bike Squads or Rhinos and a Bike Squad up to get closer to his lines. I chose CC Chosen because they have more attacks with access to Power Weapons than do Berzerkers, 25 S5 AP3 attacks (with an additional 15 S5 AP- attacks) will be worth more than 33 S5 AP- attacks.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/12/20 02:10:22
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 03:10:50
Subject: Re:[2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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One of the best things Chaos has for Drop Pod assaults is...cultists. You can just bubble wrap your tanks with them to make sure no one landing can get in Melta range. Other than that I have no idea how this list will do, but I think you will be disappointed with the Forgefiends.
A couple of ideas for your current list though:
1. Get rid of the plasma guns on the bikes. That's asking for trouble. Switch to meltaguns.
2. Hoping for warlord traits is unreliable, if you need a specific trait that bad you need a unique warlors with a specific warlord trait. With that said, feth it and just put Kharn in there instead. AoBF is awesome, but if you are using a Footslogging lord just make it kharn. He'll help you out more I think, if you multi-assault a drop pod unit and thr drop pod his Armourbane attacks will make short work if it while your unit beats the dropped in unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 03:12:46
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Axe of Blind Fury is kind of worthless on a MoK Lord... lose 1BS/WS for nothing in return...
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
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Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
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mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 05:08:10
Subject: Re:[2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Beast of Nurgle
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UncleanOne wrote:One of the best things Chaos has for Drop Pod assaults is...cultists. You can just bubble wrap your tanks with them to make sure no one landing can get in Melta range. Other than that I have no idea how this list will do, but I think you will be disappointed with the Forgefiends.
A couple of ideas for your current list though:
1. Get rid of the plasma guns on the bikes. That's asking for trouble. Switch to meltaguns.
2. Hoping for warlord traits is unreliable, if you need a specific trait that bad you need a unique warlors with a specific warlord trait. With that said, feth it and just put Kharn in there instead. AoBF is awesome, but if you are using a Footslogging lord just make it kharn. He'll help you out more I think, if you multi-assault a drop pod unit and thr drop pod his Armourbane attacks will make short work if it while your unit beats the dropped in unit.
True, I'll switch with Meltaguns and I'll try Kharne out. I'm not really relying on those traits, but just highlighting those would be the most useful to me, I usually roll on the Strategic table anyways. I've enjoyed using my Defilers and have become pretty experienced with them, haven't had the chance to use Forgefiends/Maulerfiends yet. I like experimenting with units. Bubble wrapping with Cultists would definitely be the best option, I have around 60 Cultists and they've worked before, so that might be better than with Forgefiends. Thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 05:25:19
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Unrelenting Rubric Terminator of Tzeentch
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Tactical_Spam wrote:Axe of Blind Fury is kind of worthless on a MoK Lord... lose 1BS/ WS for nothing in return...
In exchange for + d6 attacks and str 7/6 ap 2 at initiative isn't nothing. Considering that he's meant to butcher squads, he's still hitting them on 3's and they're still hitting him on 4's (no that any of them will survive).
Not to mention that MoK is the only way to take the AoBF, so it has to go on a MoK lord, unless you're proposing that you should give it to a MoK DP, who then gives up being hit on 5's (due to WS9 --> WS8) but already has AP2 at I, what, 8? because he's a MC, meaning the Black mace is infinately better for a Prince of any sort.
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Peregrine wrote:What, you don't like rolling dice to see how many dice you roll? Why are you such an anti-dice bigot? |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 06:37:11
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Drop the chosen and land raider. LR is asking to have melra drop on them. Chosen are worhless even woth Cypher.
Put the Korne lord on a bike to join the other bikers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 13:52:03
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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^ agreed
even better is to make him a juggerlord with the axe, drop the landraider cause its going to get melta'ed, then drop the chosen and csm so that you can get some cultists and oblits.
there are two ways to beat a drop pod army:
1. you null deploy, meaning you put nothing on the board except for hordes of cultists with a charecter with fearless inside, that way he does not get first blood then on turn 2 (since drop pods come on turn one) you roll for your reserves and with a comms relay yous should get most of your troops in, you bring oblits since they target both the inhabitants and the drop pod, you take anything that can shoot, assaulting is a bad idea since you have to have them in reserves
2. another effective way to beat off a drop pod army is by doing the complete opposite of the top. you take as many 20-30 man blobs and put them all in a single corner, essentially you take your entire army and either limit yourself to a side or corner, that way the drop pods have no choice but to deep strike in front of you and potentially mishap
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/12/20 14:47:19
Subject: [2000] - Chaos Space Marines - Anti Drop Pod List
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Drasius wrote: Tactical_Spam wrote:Axe of Blind Fury is kind of worthless on a MoK Lord... lose 1BS/ WS for nothing in return...
In exchange for + d6 attacks and str 7/6 ap 2 at initiative isn't nothing. Considering that he's meant to butcher squads, he's still hitting them on 3's and they're still hitting him on 4's (no that any of them will survive).
Not to mention that MoK is the only way to take the AoBF, so it has to go on a MoK lord, unless you're proposing that you should give it to a MoK DP, who then gives up being hit on 5's (due to WS9 --> WS8) but already has AP2 at I, what, 8? because he's a MC, meaning the Black mace is infinately better for a Prince of any sort.
I thought it had unwieldy, but I checked and it doesn't. Still good on an MoK DP because + d6 attacks and rage at strength 8? at Initative 8? Its real good
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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