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Assuming we're playing at 1850, would you guys be able to help me make a list that can beat tau? Thanks!

He used the Tau'anar and slaughtered me with it, didn't help he went first... Marker lights ignore cover, I multi assaulted with seekers, and got slaughtered to supporting fire... I pretty much got the models to make everything, could you guys help me create a competitive 1850 list. I believe he uses the hunter contingent too. Riptides, broadsides etc. The usual.

Bring a Daemon Lord.

Make sure he's not taking the ta'unar in the hunter contingent. He can only take it of he has a cad

DirtyDeeds wrote:
Make sure he's not taking the ta'unar in the hunter contingent. He can only take it of he has a cad

Correct, he only did it with a CAD. Thing was brutal though.

Second game, he brought the contingent, I got my seekers invisible and up there, went to multi assault and lost everything to twin linked, and supporting fire, cuz apparently he pretty much had twin linked army wide with some formation. Was horrible. I'm not really sure what kind of list to bring against him. I don't usually lose, like ever, I'm pretty solid, but the new Tau annihilated me.... I'm gonna link the list I'm thinking about using, could you guys give me feedback? This isn't the list I used, but one I brewed up after playing him. Could really use some help...

HQ:

Fateweaver

Be'lakor

Bloodthirster with D weapon, greater reward, exalted reward

Herald of Tzeentch, disc, mastery level 3

Troops:

12 Pink horrors
11Pink Horrors
3 Nurglings
3 Nurglings

Fast Attack:

8 Screamers of Tzeentch( get grimoire and hopefully cursed earth)
6 Plague Drones of nurgle

I guess I'm wondering how competitive this would be? Would I be better off running 20 seekers instead of the plague drones? I figured they're tougher, with roughly the same amount of wounds, and can hurt vehicles and big creatures.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

Second game, he brought the contingent, I got my seekers invisible and up there, went to multi assault and lost everything to twin linked, and supporting fire, cuz apparently he pretty much had twin linked army wide with some formation. Was horrible.

So I love my tau, I think supporting overwatch is necessary for how bad we are in melee. That said, I have never prevented multi assaults with overwatch.. rarely do I prevent any assault unless I am focusing my army on ONE assaulting unit.

I also have no clue as to what he is saying gives his army twin linked except the following.... in the hunter contingent, RAW if they combine fire, they act as ONE UNIT, and thus you can argue that the buffmander will give buffs to everyone in this ONE UNIT. he can grant TL, ignore cover, MC/Tank hunter, etc.

That said.. he is focusing mainly on one unit. And if he is trying to chain off of these squads with target locks or the Supremecy .... then I am sorry. That is something I do not agree with doing even as a Tau player. It even goes against the name of the special rule.. and I see this being FAQ'd. If you play ITC this has already been community nerfed (I 100% disagree with how this was done, and the timing it was done in, for the record)

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

I'm not really sure what kind of list to bring against him. I don't usually lose, like ever, I'm pretty solid, but the new Tau annihilated me.... I'm gonna link the list I'm thinking about using, could you guys give me feedback? This isn't the list I used, but one I brewed up after playing him. Could really use some help...

My friend plays demons and his list is undefeated in our local group. It is 2000 points but maybe you can change it up.

2 Horrors squads to summon
2 Seeker squads
3 demonette squads
6 Defilers ( I think.. the battle cannon walker guys)

Absolutely brutal. I do not own a supremacy, I would imagine this would give him a run for his money, but otherwise, this list is tough!

 Grizzyzz wrote:

I also have no clue as to what he is saying gives his army twin linked except the following.... in the hunter contingent, RAW if they combine fire, they act as ONE UNIT, and thus you can argue that the buffmander will give buffs to everyone in this ONE UNIT. he can grant TL, ignore cover, MC/Tank hunter, etc.

The Counterstrike Cadre basically grants twin-linked(re-roll failed To Hit rolls) provided the enemies are within 3" of an Objective Marker, but requires the entire formation(1x Pathfinder Team, 3x Strike/Breacher Teams in any combination) to have Devilfish APCs.

There was also a "Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre" that did the same thing for all intents and purposes but used a Tidewall instead of the APCs.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:

I also have no clue as to what he is saying gives his army twin linked except the following.... in the hunter contingent, RAW if they combine fire, they act as ONE UNIT, and thus you can argue that the buffmander will give buffs to everyone in this ONE UNIT. he can grant TL, ignore cover, MC/Tank hunter, etc.

The Counterstrike Cadre basically grants twin-linked(re-roll failed To Hit rolls) provided the enemies are within 3" of an Objective Marker, but requires the entire formation(1x Pathfinder Team, 3x Strike/Breacher Teams in any combination) to have Devilfish APCs.

There was also a "Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre" that did the same thing for all intents and purposes but used a Tidewall instead of the APCs.

True! I forgot about the counterstrike force. Not a bad formation, I hate that they require the devilfish.. let me just force 320 points in vehicles on you...

 Grizzyzz wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Grizzyzz wrote:

I also have no clue as to what he is saying gives his army twin linked except the following.... in the hunter contingent, RAW if they combine fire, they act as ONE UNIT, and thus you can argue that the buffmander will give buffs to everyone in this ONE UNIT. he can grant TL, ignore cover, MC/Tank hunter, etc.

The Counterstrike Cadre basically grants twin-linked(re-roll failed To Hit rolls) provided the enemies are within 3" of an Objective Marker, but requires the entire formation(1x Pathfinder Team, 3x Strike/Breacher Teams in any combination) to have Devilfish APCs.

There was also a "Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre" that did the same thing for all intents and purposes but used a Tidewall instead of the APCs.

True! I forgot about the counterstrike force. Not a bad formation, I hate that they require the devilfish.. let me just force 320 points in vehicles on you...

320 points in Skimmers that get to be "Fast" on their first turn or a turn where they arrive from Reserve.

The fact that they're Skimmers alone is huge, as if we were talking about the Emperor's Blade Assault Company in the same book? You're looking at anywhere from 200 points for 4 Taurox or 260 points for 4 Chimera and then an additional 125-135 points for a single Hellhound vehicle. So 325, 330, 335 for 5 vehicles if you go the Taurox route or 385, 390, 395 if you go the Chimera route.

I bring that up because Devilfish? Devilfish get to Jink.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I bring that up because Devilfish? Devilfish get to Jink.

Ha, yeah skimmers are great Yeah for sure, if this is something you are going to field anyway, this formation is rock solid. I was actually thinking of giving it a go with breachers and the retaliation cadre as the core in a DBC.

~750 points
Pathfinders (4 + recon drone), +1 cover on fish, MTC
3x (10 breachers), +1 cover, MTC

try summoning? then you could do one of two things - point out the hazards of EWOs (as targeting the created units depletes the use of that weapon in the model's next shooting phase) or pointing out that EWOs cannot actually target the units as they are created and not coming in from reserve (and then laughing maniacally).

I feel like MSU is the Tau weakness. The more targets you saturate the battlefield with, the less he is going to be able to combine fire. In addition, if you have a lot of small cheap units, then it really doesn't matter if they get annihilated.

Ally some KDK Formation (ie the Gorepack) to spam Flesh Hounds. Remember he can only Overwatch once so if you throw a unit of Flesh Hounds up there as a sacrifice unit prior to your Screamerstar going in, that should mitigate the damage.

Also with that super fast formation, you have a lot of small units that can threaten his units in melee and/or tie up larger things. Shoot them and try to destroy them (taking away firepower against your stronger units) or ignore them and feel the wrath of Flesh Hounds with HoW and just general awesomeness.

But summoning might help too; having distraction units would be rather beneficial as well.

Flamers in units of 3 ds in and burn. There cheap and there shooting ignors all tau armour bar battle suits even then with the amount of hits some should get though.
Or summon them as its psy phase so interceptor wont work as thats at the end of movement. Multi unit charges are needed to eat over watch and once there tau will fold. Speed helps a lot against tau and slaanesh is really the best as rending will hurt anything the tau can put down. Unfortunatly a double cad or unbound will be needed to get all the fast choices i feel is needed to get there and kill them.
Just my 2pence worth good luck.